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vcs316
27th June 2010, 07:11
Can McLaren and Ferrari pressure Red Bull? (European GP pre-race analysis)

by Keith Collantine

Wondering whether we might see our first decent race in Valencia this year I wrote this in the European Grand Prix preview:

"The best we can hope for is a similar situation to what happened in Turkey, with the faster McLarens and probably Ferraris starting behind the Red Bulls and a battle for the lead developing on-track that way.

Well, we’re halfway there. Red Bull have locked out the front row of the grid. But can McLaren and Ferrari take the fight to them in the race?"

The start

With the clean, inside line Sebastian Vettel will have to do something silly to be anywhere other than first at the end of lap one.

Mark Webber is more vulnerable in second place, on the dustier side of the grid and with Lewis Hamilton poised to dive up the inside on the run to the first corner.

Webber may have to take a leaf out of his team mate’s book – Vettel squeezed Jenson Button hard at the start last year to keep him behind.

Throughout practice we saw drivers struggling to slow their cars down at turn one. Tomorrow all 24 of them will have to get their braking point for the corner exactly right at the same time – there’s high chance for front wings to go flying.

Although we’ve never seen a safety car deployment at Valencia, one could easily arise. After all, both the first two practice sessions had to be red-flagged so the marshals could recover debris or cars from areas they couldn’t access quickly.

And an early safety car period could make the strategy situation very interesting indeed.

Strategy

The early safety car dilemma

Everyone in the top ten qualified on the super-soft tyres, so it looks like we’re in for a fairly standard strategy race. The leaders should pull away and pit to make their mandatory switch to the other tyre compound – medium – once they’ve got enough of a gap to the cars behind them to make their stop and come out in clean air.

But an early safety car period would mean the field spreading out more slowly, forcing the front runners to delay their pit stops.

We saw this happen at Monaco but with one crucial difference. Fernando Alonso started at the back and got his mandatory pit stop out of the way during the safety car period. Once he was running in clean air the front runners had to pit early to keep him behind.

What we haven’t seen yet – and what we could see tomorrow – is a situation where an early safety car period means the front runners have to choose between staying out on worn tyres, or ducking into the pits, accepting they will come out in traffic.

OK, but what if there isn’t a safety car?

If the race proceeds as normal from the start then it becomes a question of whether any of Red Bull’s rivals are faster than them in race trim. This was the case at Istanbul, and we all know what happened there.

Ferrari couldn’t find the same kind of performance improvement as their rivals on the super-soft tyre in practice or qualifying but believe they’ll be strong on the medium tyre as Alonso admitted:

"With the harder tyre, our car was more competitive as its behaviour inspired more confidence over the flying lap, but to have done Q3 with this compound would probably have compromised our race."

Pit stops will be crucial as ever and, as noted here last week, this is an area where McLaren are weaker than their rivals at the moment. Lewis Hamilton has lost places in both the last two rounds during pit stops – he can’t afford that tomorrow if he’s going to take the fight to the Red Bulls.
The best of the rest

Renault appear to have the upper hand in their battle with Mercedes this weekend. Robert Kubica is poised to make trouble for the Ferraris at the start if either should slip up.

Remember that drivers can’t maintain position if they go into one of Valencia’s many chicanes side-by-side with a rival, cut it, and come out ahead. Jenson Button had to forfeit a place to Webber after doing that last year.

Williams are well placed to end their three-race streak out of the points. Rubens Barrichello needs to get off the line better than he has at the last two races, though.

For the second race in a row Michael Schumacher starts in the bottom half of the field. From 15th getting into the points is going to be a challenge, even with the benefit of Mercedes’ fast pit stops.

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Here's hoping for a Ferrari win :ferrarifl

FORZA FERRARI :ferrarifl

Tehvon
27th June 2010, 07:18
I still think were fast enough to pull a do or die out into one of the corners on Lewis. Let's hope for a good start and Lewis getting abit angry behind the bulls if we can't get past in the first few corners !

vcs316
27th June 2010, 07:55
If we can't make up places during the start then I am counting on our race pace and tyre management to enable us to overtake when the front runners pit :-)

Tommy_F
27th June 2010, 09:09
Tire management will be the key IMO, and we are good at it. If both drivers perform at the highest level and we don't get into trouble (backmarkers :furious, Webber, Vettel, Hamilton) then at least one car should be on the podium. Of course if the safety car appears then who knows?

Here's to a great race for us! :munch

:ferrarifl:ferrariflForza Ferrari!:ferrarifl:ferrarifl

Greig
27th June 2010, 09:38
Looking forward to a dramatic, exciting and enthralling race :-D

Tifosi
27th June 2010, 09:39
Looking forward to a dramatic, exciting and enthralling race :-D

..... at least England will get beaten today :-D

epiclyaddicted
27th June 2010, 10:44
..... at least England will get beaten today :-D

Only in the F1 (not footy)! :-D

Hornet
27th June 2010, 10:49
Hopefully we'll get a clean start and are able to keep up with the front runners.

RedBull will be strong IMO, but we may have a chance of taking on Lewis

Anni
27th June 2010, 11:02
Hopefully we'll get a clean start and are able to keep up with the front runners.

:thumb:thumb:thumb

Today we´ll see our two boys on the podium! (hope so)

:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl

Suzie
27th June 2010, 11:14
Afternoon everyone. Here's to a good (and not boring) race!
:ferrarifl

Florence
27th June 2010, 11:17
Jake, Eddie & DC = cue joke: There was an Englishman, an Irishman & a Scotsman.....

SilverSpeed
27th June 2010, 11:24
Seen the porsche super cup and the cars on the outline ( starting places 2 - 4 - 6 - ... ) had really good grip it seems.

So let's hope we can do damage limitation there and push the guys in front of us into making mistakes.

Suzie
27th June 2010, 11:26
I'm counting on Red Bull's unique ability to completely screw things up.

FernandoLauda
27th June 2010, 11:30
No live F1 in the USA today. Can anyone PM a link please? Thanks

Mitra
27th June 2010, 11:35
No live F1 in the USA today. Can anyone PM a link please? Thanks
http://www.justin.tv/f1racegod

amd BBC

http://eplsite.com/stream5.html

Greig
27th June 2010, 11:38
I'm counting on Red Bull's unique ability to completely screw things up.

And Lewis to get a puncture :-D

m schumy
27th June 2010, 11:47
Fingers crossed for an exciting race :thumb

Mitra
27th June 2010, 11:47
eddie and bernie holding hands

awwww

Suzie
27th June 2010, 11:48
And Lewis to get a puncture :-D

:clap Here's hoping.

epiclyaddicted
27th June 2010, 11:55
Here we go then!

Forza Ferrari! :ferrarifl :ferrarifl :ferrarifl

Mitra
27th June 2010, 11:56
hoping for a good race

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:02
I feel incredibly sick.

Forza Alonso, Forza Massa!

Forza Ferrari.

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:03
Sat there for bloomin' ages!

Come on already!

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:04
Hamilton past Webber,

Alonso too

Alonso ALL over Hamilton

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:05
Good start :thumb

SanderV
27th June 2010, 12:05
Great start by our drivers.

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:05
Kubica past Button, Massa past Webber. Webber P8.

Schumacher attacking a Toro Rosso - Buemi.

Vettel stretching his legs.

Ham radio : "Vettel hit me, vettel hit me"

Hamilton hit Vettel, lmao.

ferrari4life
27th June 2010, 12:05
sweet hami problem

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:06
Hamilton told his team on the radio his car was hit by Vettel :-D

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:06
Schumacher up to P11, Rosberg down to P14.

Rosberg has been off apparently.

Massa has closed on Alonso. Webber P9 now. Could be contact with Button?

NJB13
27th June 2010, 12:08
Did Hami hit Vettel?

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:12
Hamilton hit Vettel yea, why did Hamilton say on the radio that Vettel hit him. What an idiot.

Mitra
27th June 2010, 12:12
what a start
and i think hami hit vettel,
great start from the boys, come on ferrari

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:12
Vettel FL

ferrari4life
27th June 2010, 12:13
Ferrari on softs? more to come on hards?

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:16
Webber pits!

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:16
Sticky left front wheel, cost Webber about 4s.

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:17
Webber pits

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:17
Alonso FL

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:18
Alonso now catching Hamilton at about 4 tenths per lap.

Alonso does a FL, 1.42.5

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:18
Rosberg pits

SanderV
27th June 2010, 12:18
Alonso FL on softs, closing on Hamilton.

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:19
HOLY GOD.....Amazing accident for webber. Flipped and in the wall. He's fine though.

Mitra
27th June 2010, 12:20
webber

:-E

at least he is out ok

SanderV
27th June 2010, 12:20
Wow! Thank God he's okay.

NJB13
27th June 2010, 12:20
Air Webber!!
Great he's ok

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:21
Thank god for Run-Offs. 190mph accident. Insane.

ferrari4life
27th June 2010, 12:21
OMG

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:21
Everyone pitted apart from Ferrari. Oh dear.

Could be an error from our team.

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:22
SC on track

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:22
Shocking accident for Webber :-E

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:22
Ah, Ferrari stacking in the pits.

Amazing work from our pitcrew there.

What have Ferrari done there .Ridiculous call.

SanderV
27th June 2010, 12:23
Ferrari unlucky with the safety car?

ferrari4life
27th June 2010, 12:23
did ferrari do

NJB13
27th June 2010, 12:24
Alonso 9th??

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:24
Ferrari unlucky with the safety car?

Well by the looks of it, we're way down. Everyone pitted apart from us, seems like a poor call to me.

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:24
how have we managed to mess that up?

ferrari4life
27th June 2010, 12:24
race over.. this is stupid so stupid

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:24
How was Alonso so far behind Lewis and Vettel?

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:25
Poor call for Mercedes with Schumacher as well by the looks of it. From 3rd to 19th.

That's Ferrari's race over then, Alonso down in P10.

What were we thinking.

Axelsson
27th June 2010, 12:25
Alonso 11th. Race over.

ferrari4life
27th June 2010, 12:25
This is just plain stupid from Ferrari

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:25
How was Alonso so far behind Lewis and Vettel?

We didn't pit until the following lap.

tifosi1035
27th June 2010, 12:26
how did that work out? from 3rd and 4th to crap? Then how did vetel and homilton stay in the front?

Pipstar
27th June 2010, 12:26
Wow Ferrari, good call :roll

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:26
We didn't pit until the following lap.

We pitted same lap as them, Stefano has to go sorry

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:26
You know, I actually believe Heikki was braking for the corner. Accident was at about 110m, just on the braking zone.

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:26
What a crazy race.....still long way to go though

SanderV
27th June 2010, 12:27
Alonso 10th, Massa 17th...

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:27
We pitted same lap as them, Stefano has to go sorry

That's weird, how were we so far behind before we came into the pits? Must have been 15s or more before we got there and were only running 2s behind Hamilton.

tpe
27th June 2010, 12:27
No way...
I was looking at the live timing. Alonso was NEVER at P1. So he never passed the S1 timer. So, it was on the same lap. Something else happend.

ferrari4life
27th June 2010, 12:27
FERRARI can take the blame squarely on them for this screw up.

harshadvj
27th June 2010, 12:27
Race over. I totally agree nothing less than a big miracle is saving this race. what a great f-up :-(:-(

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:28
That's weird, how were we so far behind before we came into the pits? Must have been 15s or more before we got there and were only running 2s behind Hamilton.

Indeed, Nando was just coming into the pits as Lewis was leaving, why was he not right with them?

SanderV
27th June 2010, 12:28
Why do we always lose out in changing circumstances :roll

Altharis
27th June 2010, 12:28
No, it was just the wrong moment for pit.

tifosi1035
27th June 2010, 12:29
that was moronic at best,I mght quit wathing this race.

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:29
MS pits again

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:30
FERRARI can take the blame squarely on them for this screw up.

Let's not say that just yet. Alonso and Massa lost about 15s to the leaders on the lap they pitted, so something must have happened.

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:30
Vettel and Lewis kept their places, why was Nando so far behind Lewis, was he sleeping under the SC?

Becool70
27th June 2010, 12:30
I cannot believe this.. some heads should roll in the ferrari garage.. who makes the calls here??? not happy..

Mitra
27th June 2010, 12:30
Heikki was defending for his position!
they didnt like it when Ferrari complained about the Buemi at the last race
webber wanted the slip stream, and they made conact. Lucky they are both safe

well that is my opinion anyway

AVockins
27th June 2010, 12:30
We had passed the pit entrance before the safety car was announced which meant we had to pit next lap (same as vettel and hamilton) but for some reason nando lost about 15 secs to hamilton coming into the pits

dfunk257
27th June 2010, 12:31
For some reason, the 2 Ferraris were way behind the leaders when they pitted, I am absalutely livid at this, what the hellhappened there. This is also very bad for our season, the 2 rivals are at the front

UkTifosi
27th June 2010, 12:31
Mark nobber is reckless. Typical him. Rams everyone off the road.

netlord
27th June 2010, 12:31
Well, that was the race.

ferrari4life
27th June 2010, 12:31
hope we are on a one stopper and others are not

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:31
I cannot believe this.. some heads should roll in the ferrari garage.. who makes the calls here??? not happy..

Ferrari pitted as soon as they could, why was Alonso 15 seconds behind Lewis...sleeping?

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:32
Vettel locked the right front badly, slid wide and nearly lost the place to Hamilton.

Button vs Kobayashi again! :lol

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:33
Alonso past Hulkenberg

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:33
Alonso passed Hulkenberg

tifosi1035
27th June 2010, 12:35
Im so sick of this nonsense at Ferrari.Why wouldnt they have told Alonso to stay right on Hamilton,There is no speed limit under safety car, you just cant pass.

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:35
Ted says it was pure luck where we came out.

Ferrari's stacked and came out into traffic, as did Massa.

Don't believe that if I'm honest, we were miles behind then when we came in.

tomism0
27th June 2010, 12:35
Who of the drivers have not pitted?

dfunk257
27th June 2010, 12:35
I swear Ferrari have really been braking my heart the last year and a half, can't believe this crap!

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:35
Vettel FL

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:35
Im so sick of this nonsense at Ferrari.Why wouldnt they have told Alonso to stay right on Hamilton,There is no speed limit under safety car, you just cant pass.

It wasn't Ferrari's fault. :roll

ferrari1.8t
27th June 2010, 12:35
Why do we always lose out in changing circumstances :roll

We always lose out...thats Ferrari. Button is where he is in the standings because of LUCKY calls for pitting, not for driving. It makes me so sick. Alonso was fastest before the safety car, this race was ours. Now, we are finished. Thanks Webber

netlord
27th June 2010, 12:35
Ferrari pitted as soon as they could, why was Alonso 15 seconds behind Lewis...sleeping?

We don't have any facts, so we can't know.

Nathan
27th June 2010, 12:36
:-(......times 6000000

Becool70
27th June 2010, 12:36
Ferrari pitted as soon as they could, why was Alonso 15 seconds behind Lewis...sleeping?

Its called traffic my friend... unlucky.. I take my last comment back.. lets hope we have some luck now

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:36
Who of the drivers have not pitted?

Di Grassi and Glock

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:36
Ted says it was pure luck where we came out.

Ferrari's stacked and came out into traffic, as did Massa.

Don't believe that if I'm honest, we were miles behind then when we came in.

Lewis was in and out before Nando even came into the pitlane, no idea why he was not on the gearbox

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:36
Alonso saying something about talking to Charlie, what's that about?

tifosi1035
27th June 2010, 12:36
I only pray that Vettel wins.

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:37
Nando wanting Ferrari to protest Lewis

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:37
Alonso has a problem with Hamilton, wonder what he's done. :Hmm.

harshadvj
27th June 2010, 12:37
Big waste of my Sunday. I got up at 7am here to watch this and its ruined. :furious:furious:furious:furious

NJB13
27th June 2010, 12:37
Hami and Vettel were speeding under the flags... thats why they got into the pits in time to get out ahead of Safety!!!

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:37
Nando wanting Ferrari to protest Lewis

He'll just get another reprimand. :roll

ferrari1.8t
27th June 2010, 12:37
Alonso saying something about talking to Charlie, what's that about?

That Hamilton held him up on purpose....cheater

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:37
Something went on to make Alonso so far behind Lewis

ferrari4life
27th June 2010, 12:38
hamilton screwes us over on the pit stop

Agron
27th June 2010, 12:39
, really, .

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:39
That Hamilton held him up on purpose....cheater

Still does not explain why Alonso was not on his gearbox

Nathan
27th June 2010, 12:39
Lemme just get out my shotgun....

tpe
27th June 2010, 12:39
I am absolutely sure that somehing happend. I believe that Alosno was blocked by someone? And then, 15''? I really cannot uderstand.

NJB13
27th June 2010, 12:39
Alonso was pointing out that he didnt speed under saftey flag - Hamilton and Vettel DID

ferrari1.8t
27th June 2010, 12:40
Still does not explain why Alonso was not on his gearbox

He held him back, and then jumped into the pits.

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:40
Ted says:

Alonso is upset. They need to keep on at Charlie about Lewis, only thing they can do. McLaren say Lewis was driving to the delta laptime (bet he wasn't!)

dfunk257
27th June 2010, 12:40
Well that has to be it, vettel and Hamilton speed thru the double yellows and pulled a gap on the Ferraris, Shay else could it be?

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:40
Something went on to make Alonso so far behind Lewis

Alonso sounded absolutely sure about it, so Hamilton must have done something.

Doesn't account for 10-15s though.

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:40
I really hope Lewis doesn`t win today........

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:40
Lewis and Vettel did not slow under the SC, Nando did to the delta time

NJB13
27th June 2010, 12:41
Not sure what it is, but there's a MAX speed under safety flag. Alonso stuck to it, Hami and Vettel didn't - that's why he got to the pits 15 seconds later

ferrari1.8t
27th June 2010, 12:41
Ted says:

Alonso is upset. They need to keep on at Charlie about Lewis, only thing they can do. McLaren say Lewis was driving to the delta laptime (bet he wasn't!)

I think he wasnt either

netlord
27th June 2010, 12:42
Have you guys heard what Alonso just told Andrea?

Hermann
27th June 2010, 12:42
What a pile of sxxt. I have no words for this. And Hamilton will get another repremand.

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:42
Mercedes telling Rosberg that they're struggling with brakes and that he needs to ease off when he can.

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:42
Lewis and Vettel did not slow under the SC, Nando did to the delta time

THAT makes sense.

vecchiasignora
27th June 2010, 12:42
There is sthg strange going.How is Button ahead of alonso for example?

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:42
Lewis under investigation, and Vettel too please surely?

NJB13
27th June 2010, 12:43
Hamilton under investigation!!

ferrari1.8t
27th June 2010, 12:43
Hamilton under investigation

tifoso SF
27th June 2010, 12:43
ferrari is telling RAI 1 that hamilton overtook the SC, vettel was already in front of it, and our guys had to wait. so thats it....

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:43
THAT makes sense.

Makes sense yes, surely easy for FIA to see it and punish them both now

ferrari1.8t
27th June 2010, 12:44
Why not vettel either...he obvioulsy did not follow the delta speed either. F1 is so corrupt, they need to iron stuff out man. Ferrari got screwed hard

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:44
Vettel FL again

Lesky
27th June 2010, 12:45
What about Button then?

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:45
Vettel and Lewis should be just ahead of Alonso

dfunk257
27th June 2010, 12:45
If hami is under investigation then so should Vettel? Cause hello, Vettel was in front of him!

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:45
What about Button then?

he pitted fair and square

ferrari4life
27th June 2010, 12:45
If he did cheat under safety car thats should be a DQ since the danger is higher

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:45
Makes sense yes, surely easy for FIA to see it and punish them both now

Makes me laugh. Why would McLaren tell Ted that they drove to the delta.

Imo, as much as I hate to say it, Hamilton will have just followed Vettel's pace, so I imagine it was Vettel who instigated it and Hamilton followed suit. Doesn't negate the fact that they clearly cheated and both should be penalised for it.

Problem is, that a drive through (or whatever it would be) won't be as significant as being tucked up in traffic like Alonso and Massa are. Essentially, even if they do get penalised, they will still come out ahead.

vecchiasignora
27th June 2010, 12:46
So We are now 20 secs behind hamilton.He should be put out of the race for good.

Haris
27th June 2010, 12:46
AND WHAT ARE THEY WAITING, FOR HAMILTON TO PULL A BIG ENOUGH GAP!?

Ferrarichamp
27th June 2010, 12:46
Did Ferrari call in alonso & massa late?

ferrari1.8t
27th June 2010, 12:47
The cheater Hamilton should be given a year ban from F1. Im so sick of his cheating...all we see every race weekend is Hamilton thinking of a new way to cheat, and GETTING away with it. Such BS man

NJB13
27th June 2010, 12:47
Hami under investigation for backing up the pack... could that be in the pits??? to get him out in front of SC and Alonso etc behind it??

Hermann
27th June 2010, 12:47
I'm losing interest in that circus- some can do what they want while others get penalties. And the Ferraris got screwed by this. Its always the same. Getting boring.

netlord
27th June 2010, 12:47
Hamilton will just get a reprimand, that's all.
There is no decision so far, so you know that this means nothing. F.... CHarlie

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:48
Makes me laugh. Why would McLaren tell Ted that they drove to the delta.

Imo, as much as I hate to say it, Hamilton will have just followed Vettel's pace, so I imagine it was Vettel who instigated it and Hamilton followed suit. Doesn't negate the fact that they clearly cheated and both should be penalised for it.

Problem is, that a drive through (or whatever it would be) won't be as significant as being tucked up in traffic like Alonso and Massa are. Essentially, even if they do get penalised, they will still come out ahead.

Black flag the both of them if they never done the delta laptimes, safety is for a reason :-)

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:48
Legard seems surprised by that accident every time :lol

"AND LOOK AT THAT!!!!"

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:48
Black flag the both of them if they never done the delta laptimes, safety is for a reason :-)

That would be nice :-) And make up for all his reprimands with no penalties this season.

dfunk257
27th June 2010, 12:48
This is ridiculous, I can't get over this. Decisions like this decide wdc and I'm hating it as im sure you all are as well

vecchiasignora
27th June 2010, 12:48
Hamtilon & Mclaren = INTER MILAN IN CHEATING

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:49
Lewis gets a drive-through!!!! Yessss!!!! :-D

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:49
Overtaking sc and he gets a drive thru, should be dq

Hermann
27th June 2010, 12:49
Sure Hamilton gets a dt, but of course he had enough time to build a gap.

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:50
Sorry to Stefano

Altharis
27th June 2010, 12:50
Massa stuck behind Liuzzi, with better times :(

Nathan
27th June 2010, 12:50
PENALTY~~~WOOT

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:50
OK There we go. Drive through for lewis.

Overtook the SC. Vettel was far enough ahead that he was already past it.

ferrari1.8t
27th June 2010, 12:50
WOW, drive thru...what a great penalty....then we wonder why he cheats. HE GETS A SLAP on the wrist every time

vecchiasignora
27th June 2010, 12:50
Driver through lol what a big joke..

He benefited out of this cheating. What a stupid punishment.

netlord
27th June 2010, 12:51
Fernando wasn't sleeping after all. Vettel was really lucky.
And Hamilton is going to end up in the podium....

Hermann
27th June 2010, 12:51
Doesn't matter. Our race got screwed and he has a gap big enough for damage control. Boring, boring, boring.

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:51
Agree with Ferrari. Far TOO long to make that decision, we knew about it 5 minutes ago at least.

We're more than a drive through behind now, FIA & Stewards = Shocking.

Becool70
27th June 2010, 12:51
Sucked in HAmster!! Drive though!! The BBC commentators are trying to justify Hamiltons actions as usual... Its never his fault!! PAthetic

NJB13
27th June 2010, 12:51
Penalty for Hami , but nothing more than if he didn't cheat ..... so, cheat and don't really suffer for it.... something there sucks badly

omar_baki
27th June 2010, 12:52
This is sooo rediculous Lewis is going to come in and go out and maintain position. Rediculous! Nice job stewards with slow decision making.

Nathan
27th June 2010, 12:52
But Ferrari lost out....and they lost out BAD.

A lot worse than a drive through penalty

Haris
27th June 2010, 12:52
So basically, Hamilton gets a total of 10 laps to "neutralize" his drive through penalty!

Becool70
27th June 2010, 12:52
Agree with Ferrari. Far TOO long to make that decision, we knew about it 5 minutes ago at least.

We're more than a drive through behind now, FIA & Stewards = Shocking.

I agree they took their time indeed, this is pathetic yet again,,, I feel sick!!

ferrari1.8t
27th June 2010, 12:53
Sucked in HAmster!! Drive though!! The BBC commentators are trying to justify Hamiltons actions as usual... Its never his fault!! PAthetic

Thats because Hamilton can do NO wrong to the BBC commentators...im getting so sick of this JOKE of a sport.

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:53
Lewis FL

Hermann
27th June 2010, 12:53
So basically, Hamilton gets a total of 10 laps to "neutralize" his drive through penalty!


Exactly.

SanderV
27th June 2010, 12:54
Hamilton was just behind the safety car and made the wrong decision. Disqualifying him would be too much I think. It's not like he was breaking safety rules.

netlord
27th June 2010, 12:54
Jesus f christ.
WHAT THE F IS THIS CHARLIE?
THIS IS A JOKE

DIEK
27th June 2010, 12:54
:furious

Hermann
27th June 2010, 12:54
See? Nothing happened. Still P2. Like expected.

Agron
27th June 2010, 12:55
Crime does pay...

ferrari1.8t
27th June 2010, 12:55
Hamilton was just behind the safety car and made the wrong decision. Disqualifying him would be too much I think. It's not like he was breaking safety rules.

He knew excatly what he was doing. Do no give him the benifit of the doubt!

Greig
27th June 2010, 12:55
F1 is a farce, shocking, hope Ferrari appeal his race result

ferrari4life
27th June 2010, 12:55
I am done with this race... Formula 1 is a joke.

hogo
27th June 2010, 12:55
lewis 2nd after drive through, BS! stewards can go to hell!

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:56
Disgrace.....

ferrari1.8t
27th June 2010, 12:56
I hope both Hamilton and Vettel's car overheat and blow up. Button can take the win, at least hes an honest driver

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:56
Just like we thought, still comes out way ahead. Disgusting result there.

Nathan
27th June 2010, 12:56
I cannot describe my feelings right now

dfunk257
27th June 2010, 12:56
Agree with Ferrari. Far TOO long to make that decision, we knew about it 5 minutes ago at least.

We're more than a drive through behind now, FIA & Stewards = Shocking.

Another thing is Ste, surely the safety car saw lewis pass, so why didn't they inform Charlie of that. Bloody ridiculous, doesn't help as much at all, Ferrari gave seriously been screwed by these disgraceful decisions and lack of action. Imagine Luca back in Italy watching all this, all cause of that stupid Webber/heikki accident, he will be losing his nut!

redb
27th June 2010, 12:57
What a freaking farce this has been! so Ferrari gets shafted while Charlie's Golden Boy gets a tiny slap on the wrist.........

Ste
27th June 2010, 12:57
Alonso Team Radio:

"Which position he was, which position he is now?"

"He is 2nd, thats really unfair, we can't do anything about this now lets get most of the points and see what happens afterwards"

vecchiasignora
27th June 2010, 12:57
Disgusting to say the least.

tezca
27th June 2010, 12:57
This circus stinks...

ferrari4life
27th June 2010, 12:57
This is stupid stupid

netlord
27th June 2010, 12:57
What are STOP and go's for?
A drive through? Jezzz....

SanderV
27th June 2010, 12:58
Fernando still really angry. Hope he keeps concentrated. Brave marshall there...

Pipstar
27th June 2010, 12:58
I still don't understand why Alonso ended up behind everyone else, and why did they call in Massa at the same time, making him queue.

Hermann
27th June 2010, 12:58
I have switched to watch football- i have no more interest in watching Hamilton and McLaren getting away with everything. Enough is enough. To those who keep watching, have fun gentlemen.

m schumy
27th June 2010, 12:59
Fernando still really angry. Hope he keeps concentrated. Brave marshall there...

Yeah :thumb

ferrari4life
27th June 2010, 12:59
If Ferrari do not appeal this then this is stupid.. F1 is a joke

vecchiasignora
27th June 2010, 12:59
Hopefully germany beats that pathetic country called england in football.

What a disgrace of a nation is england

tpe
27th June 2010, 12:59
IMHO, the error was of the SC and FIA. AND...
They just said BRAVO to cheaters...
After 2007, FIA just leaves McLaren and Hamilton untouched....

m schumy
27th June 2010, 13:00
It`s awful to see racing results influenced by such poor decisions :-s

ferrari1.8t
27th June 2010, 13:00
All these commentators talk about is Hamilton...im so sick of this joke of a sport, there is 20+ drivers on the track...enough with Hamilton already.

Greig
27th June 2010, 13:00
Hopefully germany beats that pathetic country called england in football.

What a disgrace of a nation is england

No need for that at all

Nathan
27th June 2010, 13:00
Settle for DSQ Hamilton, you !@#

Ste
27th June 2010, 13:00
I still don't understand why Alonso ended up behind everyone else, and why did they call in Massa at the same time, making him queue.

Massa lost no time in queueing. Or maybe as little as half a second. He was running a second behind, and Alonso was out of the box very quick. Great job by our pitcrew.

Red Rocket
27th June 2010, 13:01
Let's hope for Hamy to break down. It really has turned into a farce 9 minutes to reach a decision.

tpe
27th June 2010, 13:01
OK guys. Just READ the commends of F1 site. It is a joke. Someone that has not see the replay will think that FIA punished Hamilton, while they did the quite opposite.

NATALLIA
27th June 2010, 13:02
Hamilton and Mclaren epitomise what the english are DEGENERATE

dfunk257
27th June 2010, 13:02
This is very sad, for the 1st time after 26 years watching F1, I am seriously considering turning this race off. I just can't get over this crap.

netlord
27th June 2010, 13:03
Alonso might just loose the championship by this stupid decision.
charlie whiting is a moron. No pointing fingers here right?

Pipstar
27th June 2010, 13:04
Massa lost no time in queueing. Or maybe as little as half a second. He was running a second behind, and Alonso was out of the box very quick. Great job by our pitcrew.

Ah ok, coverage is dismal here.

And now I get it, everyone behind us could do the pitstop right away, we where the only ones forced to do an extra lap.

SanderV
27th June 2010, 13:04
Ferraris stuck behind Force Indias. Boring and really frustrating race.

Greig
27th June 2010, 13:04
Hamilton and Mclaren epitomise what the english are DEGENERATE

No need for that, you will be banned for such comments

Zenmaster
27th June 2010, 13:04
Get over it you lot. It's racing. He was penalized, and is now further adrift of Vettel. And 9 mins is a reasonably quick time to investigate a matter such as that. It is quite amusing all the melodrama on here though :lol

Nathan
27th June 2010, 13:04
"Kobayashi quickest time of his race....just shy of Hamilton's time" - BBC

Becool70
27th June 2010, 13:05
This sport is my passion but today its hit a new low... I have not got words to discribe hamilton anymore what an enbarrasment to F1... he is a cheater!!!

ferrari1.8t
27th June 2010, 13:05
Alonso might just loose the championship by this stupid decision.
charlie whiting is a moron.

x2. This is creating a gap which will be hard to close in the point standings. F1 is a joke...I cant say this enough, it is becoming a JOKE.

Aussie
27th June 2010, 13:05
This is very sad, for the 1st time after 26 years watching F1, I am seriously considering turning this race off. I just can't get over this crap.

i am with you mate

Greig
27th June 2010, 13:05
Get over it you lot. It's racing. He was penalized, and is now further adrift of Vettel. And 9 mins is a reasonably quick time to investigate a matter such as that. It is quite amusing all the melodrama on here though :lol

Oh a troll, wonderful

Hermann
27th June 2010, 13:06
Thats how FIA makes champions those days. No reason to fret over it; at the moment i'm done with that its better to watch wrestling. At least they don't pretend its for real.

vecchiasignora
27th June 2010, 13:06
We have lost the constuctors title.And now we lost the drivers one as well.


Its season over.

Ste
27th June 2010, 13:06
Get over it you lot. It's racing. He was penalized, and is now further adrift of Vettel. And 9 mins is a reasonably quick time to investigate a matter such as that. It is quite amusing all the melodrama on here though :lol

We noticed it after about 2 minutes, so for a team of people who have access to all replays on all cars from all angles, yes, 9 minutes is a long time.

Ste
27th June 2010, 13:06
We have lost the constuctors title.And now we lost the drivers one as well.


Its season over.

Oh.dear.

Nathan
27th June 2010, 13:07
Oh.dear.

Ditto

tifoso SF
27th June 2010, 13:08
how can fia send the safety car in the middle of the pack. ok, not the middle, but they should make sure it was in front of vettel.

this is a total joke...

Altharis
27th June 2010, 13:08
If the race ends now, then hamilton is the championship leader?

ferrari1.8t
27th June 2010, 13:08
Red Bull Gives You Wings!

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h255/tonyferrari/1.jpg


Hamilton is pushing and cutting the time with Vettel and is supposed to be on fuel save mode. Lets hope Karma bites him in the rear and he runs out of fuel...

Lesky
27th June 2010, 13:09
Why is Kobyashi lighter than the others according to Formula 1 live timing? It appears to make no sense.....

hogo
27th June 2010, 13:09
F1 is a joke, turning this off till Spa. Darn it Ferrari had to go with their plan and make an alternative to this farce what is F1 now.

Aussie
27th June 2010, 13:10
season is not over

m schumy
27th June 2010, 13:10
MS pits for the third time

redb
27th June 2010, 13:10
well, I am off to watch football...... Go Germany!

This has been without a doubt a masterpiece of BS from Whiting

Zenmaster
27th June 2010, 13:10
Oh a troll, wonderful

Anybody who isn't part of the hivemind is a troll? :Hmm

Strange policy...

tpe
27th June 2010, 13:10
Get over it you lot. It's racing. He was penalized, and is now further adrift of Vettel. And 9 mins is a reasonably quick time to investigate a matter such as that. It is quite amusing all the melodrama on here though :lol

No. Because the SC driver should have inform CW at once. They should have investigate it even BEFORE the SC was in the pits. So, they had PLENTY of time to take a decision. This is not a melodrama. This is a blatand reality. And it says that LH escaped one more time.

Nathan
27th June 2010, 13:11
Red Bull Gives You Wings!

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h255/tonyferrari/1.jpg


Hamilton is pushing and cutting the time with Vettel and is supposed to be on fuel save mode. Lets hope Karma bites him in the rear and he runs out of fuel...


Lol

Ste
27th June 2010, 13:11
Appalling job from the backmarkers yet again. Nearly cost Kobayashi a position.

REDARMYSOJA
27th June 2010, 13:12
I don't understand how if Alonso was in P3 and was the first behind the safetycar, how he ended up as far back as he did. I'm not saying he should be leading, I don't see how all these other cars are in front of him. Did they not pit? What am I not getting?

ferrari1.8t
27th June 2010, 13:13
Appalling job from the backmarkers yet again. Nearly cost Kobayashi a position.

Yup. FIA needs to smarten up and rethink some bogus regulations

omar_baki
27th June 2010, 13:13
Anybody who isn't part of the hivemind is a troll? :Hmm

Strange policy...

Why are you on this site then?? This is a Ferrari forum.

NATALLIA
27th June 2010, 13:13
Do you support the poms first or ferrari? make up your mind i know who i support first and yes i am of english decent but what happened today is clearly just not correct or are you happy?Or are you just going top say you are not happy

m schumy
27th June 2010, 13:14
MS FL

Ste
27th June 2010, 13:14
I don't understand how if Alonso was in P3 and was the first behind the safetycar, how he ended up as far back as he did. I'm not saying he should be leading, I don't see how all these other cars are in front of him. Did they not pit? What am I not getting?

Read the previous pages, then you'll get it. :-)

Greig
27th June 2010, 13:14
Do you support the poms first or ferrari? make up your mind i know who i support first and yes i am of english decent but what happened today is clearly just not correct or are you happy?Or are you just going top say you are not happy

It's nothing to do with a nation though, get a grip

Ste
27th June 2010, 13:16
Do you support the poms first or ferrari? make up your mind i know who i support first and yes i am of english decent but what happened today is clearly just not correct or are you happy?Or are you just going top say you are not happy

What on Earth does Formula One have to do with England?

ferrari1.8t
27th June 2010, 13:16
You would think with all of our updates, we would be able to pass Buemi. Come on Alonso, lets not give up!

Aussie
27th June 2010, 13:17
Do you support the poms first or ferrari? make up your mind i know who i support first and yes i am of english decent but what happened today is clearly just not correct or are you happy?Or are you just going top say you are not happy

i never support the poms

Bring on the ashes