Korean GP Picture Thread

[Rob]

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[Rob]

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[Ste]

They look utterly thrilled to be in that Press Conference!

[Hermann]

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:haha:

[epiclyaddicted]

Oh Fernando, just a get a bloomin' hair cut will you?

[Ste]

Oh Fernando, just a get a bloomin' hair cut will you?

+1 :lol

[scuderiafan]

Oh Fernando, just a get a bloomin' hair cut will you?

:thumb

[Tifosi]

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After the drivers once again promise not to "gang up on Lewis" ahead of the Korean Grand Prix they all conspire to do an impression of him in the press conference instead.

Vettel wins (yet again) :-s

[Ferrari_Fanatic]

They look utterly thrilled to be in that Press Conference!

i wouldn't blame them listening to vettel's speeches :-ZZ:-ZZ

[theforce]

He's Ready;-)

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[theforce]

Oh Fernando, just a get a bloomin' hair cut will you?

I remember reading an article in a magazine once that linked Alonso's hair to his performance. 05/06 he had long hair so did awesome, 07 had a haircut and didn't win in the end, last year had long hair and nearly won and this year I just don't know:-??

[FerrariF60]

I remember reading an article in a magazine once that linked Alonso's hair to his performance. 05/06 he had long hair so did awesome, 07 had a haircut and didn't win in the end, last year had long hair and nearly won and this year I just don't know:-??

when he was at Mcscum, they made him cut/buzz cut his hair...they must be strict there...LOL

[Rishu]

I remember reading an article in a magazine once that linked Alonso's hair to his performance. 05/06 he had long hair so did awesome, 07 had a haircut and didn't win in the end, last year had long hair and nearly won and this year I just don't know:-??

Man!. You are extremely bored with this season, arn't you? ;-)

[scuderiafan]

Credit must go to Francesc from the Autosport forums.

http://www.formula1.com/wi/0x0/sutton/2011/d11kor708.jpg

could this be Ferrari F2012's front wing?

EDIT: Here it is compared with Spa wing, kind of similar angle.

there are differences, mostly size, this korea one looks massive. and that black rod/slit thing at the bottom of the elements. also, the thing at the top corners. looks asthetically very nice :love

http://187.17.112.28/media/images/large/2011/08/28/img-22941-fernando-alonso-da-ferrari-em-spa-franchorchamps.jpg

EDIT 2:

Both Ferrari drivers used intermediate tyres in this afternoon session, before Alonso ended with a run on Soft tyres to complete an aerodynamics test that features an experimental front wing.

http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1/News/Headlines/Pages/111014-F1-Korean-GP-Alonso-fourth-and-Massa-seventh-on-a-rainy-Friday.aspx


Pat Fry: “It was a rather complicated day because of the weather. In the morning, there was too much water on track and there was no point in going out, given that tomorrow and Sunday we should have a dry track. In the afternoon, conditions were slightly better, but the track dried so slowly that it was never possible to run effectively on the dry tyres. We therefore tried to make a virtue out of necessity, getting as much as possible out of one set of intermediate tyres for each driver. With Fernando, we concentrated mainly on a comparison of two different front wing configurations and now we must analyse the data this produced. Of course, the grip level is pretty low: these are certainly not ideal conditions for us, as can clearly be seen from the time sheet. It will therefore be a slightly different weekend to usual: tomorrow, we have only one hour to try and find the best balance on the cars for dry conditions and then it will immediately be time to fight for the grid positions.”


http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1/News/Headlines/Pages/111014-F1-Korean-GP-Lapping-in-the-rain.aspx

so it is an experimental front wing, eh? so could be for this year, or next year, and i guess next years one will be a bit different aswell.

[epiclyaddicted]

could this be Ferrari F2012's front wing?

Or rather, an iteration of it. Pretty sure they will try out a few different ones. :-)

[scuderiafan]

Or rather, an iteration of it. Pretty sure they will try out a few different ones. :-)

yeah, not even im dumb enough to assume that that will be the finished F2012 front wing :lol

[Rob]

Credit must go to Francesc from the Autosport forums.

http://www.formula1.com/wi/0x0/sutton/2011/d11kor708.jpg

could this be Ferrari F2012's front wing?

no, that looks as if this years. Would be very surprised if next yeas is as simple as we have seen our wings this year. Looks like the Spa spec, but the top of the second element is straighter on this wing.

[Amuse]

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rear suspension

[Rob]

Credit must go to Francesc from the Autosport forums.

http://www.formula1.com/wi/0x0/sutton/2011/d11kor708.jpg

could this be Ferrari F2012's front wing?

EDIT: Here it is compared with Spa wing, kind of similar angle.

there are differences, mostly size, this korea one looks massive. and that black rod/slit thing at the bottom of the elements. also, the thing at the top corners. looks asthetically very nice :love

http://187.17.112.28/media/images/large/2011/08/28/img-22941-fernando-alonso-da-ferrari-em-spa-franchorchamps.jpg

EDIT 2:


http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1/News/Headlines/Pages/111014-F1-Korean-GP-Alonso-fourth-and-Massa-seventh-on-a-rainy-Friday.aspx



http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1/News/Headlines/Pages/111014-F1-Korean-GP-Lapping-in-the-rain.aspx

so it is an experimental front wing, eh? so could be for this year, or next year, and i guess next years one will be a bit different aswell.

most tracks we bring two types of wing. Here in Korea is no different. As got long straight, so the need for little drag, but have long faster and slow corners. Will need another sort wing (more elements) for them Just running see which 1 would be more effective in race and quali, go for less down force for the straights, but be slower round the corners or go with the wing with bit more downforce so then be other way around.

The one being tested by Fernando in the picture, has that slot in the main wing, to act like a 3 element wing. But only being 2 element wing.

[Amuse]

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/2769/048fp.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/571/048fp.jpg/)
Here is a bigger picture of our new front wing.

[NanoTheQuickest]

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5406/d11kor947.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/528/d11kor947.jpg/)
rear suspension

Is there anything new regarding the rear suspension?

[scuderiafan]

scarbs says he is going to do a blog post on it tonight.

i think maybe we should make a 2012 car thread, as :oops there havent been that many pics recently.

[Hornet]

Looks like push rod suspension to me.

Don't tell me Ferrari is still trying to develop our push rod system instead of moving on to pull rod? :Hmm

[Ferrari2183]

no, that looks as if this years. Would be very surprised if next yeas is as simple as we have seen our wings this year. Looks like the Spa spec, but the top of the second element is straighter on this wing.
In racing news number 20, Tombazi says that they will test the 2012 front wing but he hopes it will be beneficial to this years car as well. So it seems that they will run it if the data is good and refine it for next year.

[F1NAC]

In racing news number 20, Tombazi says that they will test the 2012 front wing but he hopes it will be beneficial to this years car as well. So it seems that they will run it if the data is good and refine it for next year.

Hm this wings looks too simple if you compare with RB or maccas :(

[Ferrari2183]

Hm this wings looks too simple if you compare with RB or maccas :(
That wing is not simple at all. I see a lot of this going around, but a wing doesn't need to be complicated to be fast.

It just needs to work in harmony with the rest of the car.

[Rob]

That wing is not simple at all. I see a lot of this going around, but a wing doesn't need to be complicated to be fast.

It just needs to work in harmony with the rest of the car.

Problem with that, Red Bull, Macca have a more aggressive front wint than us, and are faster. Ours has been too simple for couple years now. If we want more aggressive aero mapping the front wing is a big portion of that. It will help great deal. Cannt see that as the Whole new wing, maybe just some parts to get data for next years. The way to go, as with have seen is bit more complex to help produce the downforce at the front. And the underfloor, well all rest of the car.

[F1NAC]

Yes that's true :) Let's hope that this wing will work in harmony

[scudvirgin10]

hi im new here in my view maybe the problem of ferrari is making copy other team im bit sad to see it to ferrari i hope in 2012 they make a new original design:pray i think the car problem most is in the sidepod area just my opinion:lou

[Ferrari2183]

Hm this wings looks too simple if you compare with RB or maccas :(


Problem with that, Red Bull, Macca have a more aggressive front wint than us, and are faster. Ours has been too simple for couple years now. If we want more aggressive aero mapping the front wing is a big portion of that. It will help great deal. Cannt see that as the Whole new wing, maybe just some parts to get data for next years. The way to go, as with have seen is bit more complex to help produce the downforce at the front. And the underfloor, well all rest of the car.
To be honest with you I don't see what is so aggressive about McLaren's front wing. They just have that curved second cascade that makes it seem that way. I believe McLaren's great front end is a combination of the wing and the snow plough nose.

Anyway, with these wide front wings it is all about conditioning the airflow around the outside and inside of the tyres as well as the flow around the car itself. Downforce is generated by the pressure differential between the low pressure underneath the wing and the high pressure above it.

To make matters worse, you have to consider the drag penalty these complicated wings produce.

[Rob]

Ferrari test 2012 front wing in Korea
Friday 14 Oktober at 07:35 : Oct.14 (GMM) Ferrari is testing a new front wing in Korea practice this weekend in line with the aggressive philosophy of its 2012 car.

Italian and Spanish media reports have revealed that Maranello's next single seater is known internally as '663'.

Italiaracing reports that the wing tested in Korea on Friday is "inspired by Red Bull's design".

Designer Nikolas Tombazis confirmed recently that the front wing "represents a different approach in terms of how it works".

"We can therefore try and learn as much as possible right away," he said.

The 2012 car is reportedly very low with a higher driving position and longer wheelbase than the current 150 Italia.

Other Italian sources say that, so focused is the team on 2012, boss Stefano Domenicali and technical head Pat Fry travelled back and forth to Italy between the long-haul Asian races in Japan and Korea.

The 663 reportedly also features Red Bull-style rear suspension, allowing more efficient airflow.

"The Red Bull is not just a diffuser but a very complete car, and I am sure that if the first race (of 2012) would take place now they would still have an advantage.

"Our challenge between now and March is to avoid that," said Fernando Alonso.

http://www.onestopstrategy.com/dailyf1news/nieuw/article/15632-Ferrari+test+2012+front+wing+in+Korea.html

[Jose Lorca]

Hm this wings looks too simple if you compare with RB or maccas :(l

It does, but thats not a problem for now. At the moment we're testing a different concept so I wouldnt expect it to be aggressive or complicated. If the tests show positive results, we'll improve the front wing and hopefully it wont be described as "simple" by the time its raced next year.

[Rob]

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[Tifoso]

The tires are gorgeous :love

[Rob]

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[Hornet]

Italian and Spanish media reports have revealed that Maranello's next single seater is known internally as '663'.


I wonder what that number means:Hmm

[F1NAC]

that's the car project number

[scuderiafan]

I wonder what that number means:Hmm

i know it will be the 63rd single seater Ferrari has produced, but about the 600, im in the dark just as much as you.

[Tifosi]

It means once its had 3 more modifications it will become a BEAST! :-)

[Hombre B]

Front wing - Ferrari VS RB:

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gallery/pictures/2011/f1/gp-korea-15oct/525_medium.jpg

[NanoTheQuickest]

Well well well, look at that!

1) Is that telling us that the 663 will look like a RB next year? It is going that way by the looks of it!

2) Copying is not good enough though, it does not make you better!

3) it does explain why it is not working with the F150, the coherence with the rest the car is random, otherwise it would have been done ages ago! (making a new wing is as simple as making a new wing)

[Nova]

I think Ferrari has called their internal cars like that 6xx for awhile..I became aware of it in 89 when they did the 639. Barnards 1st design for the team.

Im hoping that we are really good on race pace, no matter what front wing we use.

[NanoTheQuickest]

A good read about the new wing (to follow when updated):

http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/

[scuderiafan]

Well well well, look at that!

1) Is that telling us that the 663 will look like a RB next year? It is going that way by the looks of it!

2) Copying is not good enough do, it does not make you better!

3) it does explain why it is not working with the F150, the coherence with the rest the car is random, otherwise it would have been done ages ago! (making a new wing is as simple as making a new wing)

lol the likeness is uncanny. but I think the wing also looks like mclaren.

so they use a stolen RB wing as a concept for next year. like the sound of that.

[Hermann]

lol the likeness is uncanny. but I think the wing also looks like mclaren.

so they use a stolen RB wing as a concept for next year. like the sound of that.

:lol RB must be loving this- i'm surprised there has been no comment from their side so far!

[Rob]

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[Rob]

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[schumi1]

nice pictures.

[kazi]

I think the new wing might flex :lou

http://f1grandprix.motorionline.com/download/foto2011/GP_KOREA/SABATO/GP_Corea_Qualifiche-2011-2-3.jpg

[Ferrari2183]

Front wing - Ferrari VS RB:

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gallery/pictures/2011/f1/gp-korea-15oct/525_medium.jpg

So Newey wasn't far off when he said the other half of Webber's wing was at Maranello? I wonder how much they paid the lucky sod for picking it up.

The wing is flexing now as well... Composite studies!

[Rishu]

I think the new wing might flex :lou

http://f1grandprix.motorionline.com/download/foto2011/GP_KOREA/SABATO/GP_Corea_Qualifiche-2011-2-3.jpg


There is a possibility that the 2012 testing FW might not be different from exterior but Ferrari are testing the flexing with new carbon fibre lay-out

Oh yeah, I think I guessed it right :-)

[Ferrari_Fanatic]

I think the new wing might flex :lou

http://f1grandprix.motorionline.com/download/foto2011/GP_KOREA/SABATO/GP_Corea_Qualifiche-2011-2-3.jpg

PMSL you don't say! :lol

[Hornet]

Oh yeah! Flex baby flex :-D

Next we need to copy Red Bull's flexing T-tray, increase the rake of the car and that front wing will be even closer to the ground.

[scuderiafan]

It means once its had 3 more modifications it will become a BEAST! :-)

2015 car will be called 666 :-E. expect some horns and a pitchfork :-D

[medeni73]

So we will make a perfect copy of RB car for 2012 and RB will meanwhile create yet another beast, hopefully not that scary like in last 2 seasons.

"Red Bull Racing's technical chief Adrian Newey elected to skip the Korean Grand Prix so he could return to the factory to ramp up efforts on next year's car
And Horner says that the outfit must make the most of the limited track running opportunities it has before RB8 hits the track next February.
"The focus has to start moving towards next year," he said. "We have less than four months to design and build a completely new car, which is why Adrian elected not to attend this race. He is busy back in the UK focused on RB8.

So they ARE making the Beast too not another evolution car...so we must be very carefull with optimism :)

[scuderiafan]

So we will make a perfect copy of RB car for 2012 and RB will meanwhile create yet another beast, hopefully not that scary like in last 2 seasons.
"Red Bull Racing's technical chief Adrian Newey elected to skip the Korean Grand Prix so he could return to the factory to ramp up efforts on next year's car

And Horner says that the outfit must make the most of the limited track running opportunities it has before RB8 hits the track next February.

"The focus has to start moving towards next year," he said. "We have less than four months to design and build a completely new car, which is why Adrian elected not to attend this race. He is busy back in the UK focused on RB8.

So they ARE making the Beast too not another evolution car...so we must be very carefull with optimism :)

thats surely PR speak by Horner. ;-)

i dont think Ferrari are completely copying RedBull. this new wing will probably not be similar to 2012 wing at all, but since it looks uncanny like the RedBull, maybe they are playing around and experimenting with Materials and whatnot?
imo, this wing will be nothing like the finished product.

also, who knows, RedBull's beast might fail :-D

[schumi1]

nice senna helmet.