88e 24 Heures du Mans (2020 24 Hours of Le Mans)

[458 Italia]

We're a few days away from the greatest motor race in the world!

I'm immensely looking forward to this one due to the amount of night time running we will have being so late in the year, but sadly though; the GTE Pro field is half the size as it was last year with just the 8 cars (4 of the 8 are Ferrari teams), with no Ford GT or Corvette entries.

It is a special anniversary for Ferrari at Le Mans, this years race marks 60 years since we won 6 years in a row with the legendary 250.

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[458 Italia]

FERRARI AT THE 24 HOURS OF LE MANS 1960-1965 (6/6) – 250, THE MARQUE'S LUCKY NUMBER
Sixty years ago, Ferrari scored the first of its six consecutive wins at the 24 Hours of Le Mans from 1960 to 1965. An unmatched feat that – along with the successes of 1949, 1954 and 1958 – allowed the Italian marque to surpass Bentley and Jaguar (co-holders of the win record at the time with five each). The sixth and final installment in this series addresses the lineage of the most legendary Ferraris at the race: the generation of 250 models.

Ferrari's string of six consecutive wins at the 24 Hours coincided with the heyday, on the track and the road, of the different versions of the 250, the first of which dated back to 1952. Twenty-six variations of the Ferrari 250 crossed the finish line at the race from 1960 to 1965, and five of the marque's nine victories were won by a car sporting this number. Now considered a legend in the saga of Ferrari, the number originally designated the unit volume of its engine, i.e. 250 cm3 for each of its twelve cylinders, arranged in a V.

250 TR, TWO PATRONYMS, TWO LEGENDS –
Having first appeared in 1957, this Ferrari was also known under the name Testa Rossa (TR), a reference (literal translation: red head) to the colour of the engine cylinder head covers immediately noticeable once the bonnet is open. At the wheel of this car, Olivier Gendebien won three of his four wins at the 24 Hours, in 1958 and 1961 with Phil Hill, and in 1960 with Paul Frère. In 1962, the Testa Rossa label was also given to the 330 of Gendebien-Hill, the last front-engine prototype to win at Le Mans.


250 GT SWB, PERFECTION –
In 1959, this version marked the birth of the road 250 GT. To optimise maneuverability, its wheelbase (the space between the front and rear axles) was reduced by 20 cm, from 2.60 m to 2.40 m. This earned it the moniker SWB (for short wheelbase), however not officially recognized by Ferrari. This 250 GT SWB was available with a steel body (for the road) or aluminum body (for competition). In 1960 and 1961, six 250 GT SWBs finished in the top 10 at the 24 Hours, with as best result third place for Jean Guichet and Pierre Noblet in 1961. That year, a very special 250 took the start in the race. Nicknamed "Sperimentale" (experimental) by Italian journalists, the car was painted in French blue to welcome as a factory driver Le Mans area native Fernand Tavano (joined by Giancarlo Baghetti). Forced to retire, this 250 predated one of the most iconic Ferrari's ever, set to make its first appearance the next year.


250 GTO, THE LEGEND –
On 24 February 1962, during the annual presentation of competition Ferrari's in the courtyard of the Maranello factory, the press discovered the 250 GTO (for "Gran Turismo Omologato"). Compared to the 250 GT, its aerodynamics were optimised by a plunging front, back set V12 engine and a truncated rear with a spoiler. In 1962, the renowned GTO finished its first 24 Hours in second (Jean Guichet-Pierre Noblet) and third (Jean Blaton-Léon Dernier) places. The following year, two Belgian GTOs made it into the top 5 thanks to Jean Blaton-Gérald Langlois von Ophem (second) and Léon Dernier-Pierre Dumay (fifth). In 1964, the GTO finished in the top 10 once again, thanks to Lucien Bianchi-Jean Blaton (fifth), Innes Ireland-Tony Maggs (sixth) and Fernand Tavano-Bob Grossman (ninth). This exceptional achievement was followed up with three consecutive wins in the World Marques Championship (1962-63-64). Its track record and rareness (only thirty or so units were produced) make the GTO cost a fortune on the collection cars market, and happy owners form the elite of Ferrari lovers.


250 P, AN ITALIAN EXCEPTION –
In 1963, the only participation for the Ferrari 250 P in the 24 Hours ended in victory (Lorenzo Bandini-Ludovico Scarfiotti) and third place (Umberto Maglioli-Mike Parkes). A third car took the start, but its drivers John Surtees and Willy Mairesse were forced to retire in the lead with a fire in the 19th hour. The 250 P also marked a key date in the history of race as the first rear engine car to win at Le Mans. Bandini and Scarfiotti formed the only all-Italian driver line-up to win the 24 Hours at the wheel of a Ferrari.


250 LM, THE LAST VICTORY –
Presented at the Paris Motor Show in 1963, two 250 LMs were first fielded in the 24 Hours in 1964, but only one made it to the chequered flag (16th), with at the wheel Pierre Dumay-Gérald Langlois von Ophem. The car tasted glory the following year: after the retirement for factory prototypes 330 P2 and 275 P2, a duel between Ferrari partner teams pitted North American Racing Team (NART) against Ecurie Francorchamps. They finished in this order in the top two spots thanks to Masten Gregory-Jochen Rindt (winners) and Pierre Dumay-Gustave Gosselin (second). This one-two was rounded out by another partner team, the Swiss outfit Scuderia Filipinetti, sixth thanks to Dieter Spoerry-Andreas Boller. The 250 LM was seen again at Le Mans in 1966, 1968 and 1969.

https://www.24h-lemans.com/en/news/ferrari-at-the-24-hours-of-le-mans-1960-1965-6-6-250-the-marques-lucky-number-54123

[wisepie]

A nice read, thanks! I wasn't aware that Bandini/Scarfiotti had that victory in 1963, my first year of being a tifoso was 1967 when I decided to support Bandini and Ferrari rather than the usual British suspects, I was rebelling against my Dad and uncles. Sadly Bandini died after his crash at Monaco so it was an unfortunate time for a new tifoso, but I've never looked back!;-)

[458 Italia]

A nice read, thanks! I wasn't aware that Bandini/Scarfiotti had that victory in 1963, my first year of being a tifoso was 1967 when I decided to support Bandini and Ferrari rather than the usual British suspects, I was rebelling against my Dad and uncles. Sadly Bandini died after his crash at Monaco so it was an unfortunate time for a new tifoso, but I've never looked back!;-)

You're showing your age there Wisepie!

Yes I thought it was a nice little read too! I would love to know if Lucien Bianchi is any relation to Edoardo Bianchi who brought us the bicycles and motorbikes? I'm sure it's just one of those coincidences.

[wisepie]

You're showing your age there Wisepie!

Yes I thought it was a nice little read too! I would love to know if Lucien Bianchi is any relation to Edoardo Bianchi who brought us the bicycles and motorbikes? I'm sure it's just one of those coincidences.

Yes I'm an old fossil and happy to have made it this far, and still be supporting Ferrari through thick and thin. As for the Bianchi connection, I'm afraid I have no idea and my experience of two-wheeled modes of transport has never been very successful, requiring stabilisers to stay upright. I follow MotoGP and of course my support of riders follows the usual Italian preference! I can't keep up with Rob and his mile-munching on two wheels although I admire his attitude and stamina!

[458 Italia]

Unfortunately Wikipedia was no help for me in finding the answer, interestingly though the motorcycle arm was eventually owned by Fiat.

#51 AF Corse 488 was third fastest in FP1 earlier ~1.2 seconds behind the leading Aston Martin in GTE Pro. Looks like #51 will be the fifth fastest after FP2 as well but with the gap being ~1.3 seconds this time with Porsche being the fastest.

[wisepie]

Unfortunately Wikipedia was no help for me in finding the answer, interestingly though the motorcycle arm was eventually owned by Fiat.

#51 AF Corse 488 was third fastest in FP1 earlier ~1.2 seconds behind the leading Aston Martin in GTE Pro. Looks like #51 will be the fifth fastest after FP2 as well but with the gap being ~1.3 seconds this time with Porsche being the fastest.

I think Bianchi was a fairly common name in Italy and S of France, just as Leclerc is in France, some people made a connection between Charles (Monegasque, obviously) and the French supermarket chain Leclerc. I don't like to see the AF Corse or any other team's 488s being behind Astons and Porsches, hope they have the staying power in the race and get some luck. Talking of Fiat, today I was parked next to an Abarth 124 Spider (AKA Mazda MX5) in red, it looked superb and much more interesting than said Mazda. Just my opinion!;-)

[458 Italia]

I think Bianchi was a fairly common name in Italy and S of France, just as Leclerc is in France, some people made a connection between Charles (Monegasque, obviously) and the French supermarket chain Leclerc. I don't like to see the AF Corse or any other team's 488s being behind Astons and Porsches, hope they have the staying power in the race and get some luck. Talking of Fiat, today I was parked next to an Abarth 124 Spider (AKA Mazda MX5) in red, it looked superb and much more interesting than said Mazda. Just my opinion!;-)

Could just be a popular name, for years I've seen the Leclerc name as it's a big sponsor of Tour de France so knew there was no connection to our Charles.

After the first couple to Free Practice sessions it's following the status quo of how the WEC has been playing out, tonight's FP3 will be interesting as it's dusk/nightime. I don't know what the top speeds have been like so I'll be keeping an eye on that this evening.

Ha! Yeah the 124 spider does look the splitting image of an MX-5 :lol I wouldn't mind one! But for me it's not a patch on the Chris Bangle designed Fiat Coupe with Pininfarina styled interior of the late 90s. Sadly you don't see many of them around today, but I always see one up the road from me in Stamford.

[458 Italia]

Watching my first bit of coverage tonight and the track is looking beautiful as always :love looks very weird without the 300,000 fans and all the extra lights of the fairground though.

A bit of talk from the commentary team about how hurt Aston Martin have been by BoP recently, not half as much as Ferrari have though!

The situation in GTE AM is mimicking that of GTE Pro with the Ferrari cars behind Aston and Porsche.

[458 Italia]

One thing I didn't realise is that this year the earlier free practice session doubled up as qualifying! I should've read up on the timetable :oops

Commentators talking again about how good the BoP is this year, they are British so naturally favour Aston but as a tiffoso it irks me a bit ;-) I do think the 488s especially, the AF Corse ones will come alive in the dark though! Well I hope so anyway!

[458 Italia]

James Calado says the Astons and the Porsches look "fast" but he's happy with the car he's got underneath him.

Finally the commentators mention that Ferrari have got nothing back in terms of BoP whereas everyone else has.

[Rob]

Been able to watch all today. As had to take few days off unexpected. Someone i work with, his girlfriend daughter has covid. So work rang few of us yesterday who worked with clarkee. Told us stay home get tested. Im not ill, but people, work, panic about nothing.

Cannt get on bike till get results back. Gutted. As been cracking weather.

We running under radar, cars looking quick, stable and consistent. Got ferrari town in pits. Great. Is odd not seeing 300 odd thousand fans there

[458 Italia]

Been able to watch all today. As had to take few days off unexpected. Someone i work with, his girlfriend daughter has covid. So work rang few of us yesterday or worked with clarkee. Told us stay home get tested. Im not ill, but people, work, panic about nothing.

Cannt get on bike till get results back. Gutted. As been cracking weather.

We running under radar, cars looking quick, stable and consistent. Got ferrari town in pits. Great. Is odd not seeing 300 odd thousand fans there

A lot of people are still pretty scared about this thing, I would love for normal normal to return.

I don't think I've ever asked what's the bike you ride is? It's not a Bianchi is it?

The Risi car is looking gorgeous today/tonight :love

[Rob]

A lot of people are still pretty scared about this thing, I would love for normal normal to return.

I don't think I've ever asked what's the bike you ride is? It's not a Bianchi is it?

The Risi car is looking gorgeous today/tonight :love

Im not getting political, but we just got get on now. Yes few more case. But deaths are so so low, plus alot more people dying from flu and cancer everyday. But hey ho.

Specialized.

Loving tweety bird too. Its what the crew is calling the #70 car guy

[458 Italia]

Im not getting political, but we just got get on now. Yes few more case. But deaths are so so low, plus alot more people dying from flu and cancer everyday. But hey ho.

Specialized.

Loving tweety bird too. Its what the crew is calling the #70 car guy

I wholeheartedly agree with you there Rob :thumb

Ahh nice! same as Bora and Deceuninck QS!

Haha!! I can see how #70 got that name!

Bad shunt for the red river car!!! Is that the same shade of red as the F1 car was running last weekend?

[458 Italia]

AF Corse #71 and #51 were second and third in FP4 Just behind the #92 Porsche.

[458 Italia]

Results from Hyperpole:

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Here's the overall grid after Hyperpole for tomorrow:

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It's great to see the Rebellion splitting the two Toyotas :-D

[wisepie]

Could just be a popular name, for years I've seen the Leclerc name as it's a big sponsor of Tour de France so knew there was no connection to our Charles.

After the first couple to Free Practice sessions it's following the status quo of how the WEC has been playing out, tonight's FP3 will be interesting as it's dusk/nightime. I don't know what the top speeds have been like so I'll be keeping an eye on that this evening.

Ha! Yeah the 124 spider does look the splitting image of an MX-5 :lol I wouldn't mind one! But for me it's not a patch on the Chris Bangle designed Fiat Coupe with Pininfarina styled interior of the late 90s. Sadly you don't see many of them around today, but I always see one up the road from me in Stamford.

The current 124 Spider doesn't look anything like the current MX5 from where I'm standing, despite being based on the same platform. The 124 Spider was another Fiat failure in the UK, sadly, I think it looks great. My nephew had a 1990s Fiat Coupe 20v which he crashed, I had a Marea Estate with the same engine which was very underrated! Thanks to you and Rob, I'm more or less up to speed with Le Mans, may fortune shine on the Ferrari teams, will keep a close eye on the race.

[Rob]

Bird, encouraging progress for the race
Le Mans | 18 September 2020
After the difficulties encountered in yesterday’s free practice, the fifth place with which Sam Bird completed the Hyperpole session gives positive feelings especially for the race. The work on the set up carried out during the night by the technicians and engineers of AF Corse’s number 71 car seems to be going in the right direction.

“I was pleased with the balance of the car during the Hyperpole”, said Bird. “We made great progress after the night time free practice. Yesterday we weren’t very happy with the behaviour of the car, but the whole team worked on it during the night. We have learned a lot, and this will come in handy during the race”.

[Rob]

Calado, happy for the first row
Le Mans | 18 September 2020
A good qualification, with a front row perhaps unexpected but welcomed with a smile by the crew of the 488 GTE number 51. The second set of tyres allowed James Calado to get the 3’51″115 which is worth the start from the front row for tomorrow’s race.

“Yes, we’re obviously happy to be on the front row for the start of this Le Mans”, said Calado. “It was not an easy qualifying. My first fast lap was deleted for ‘track limit’, so my fault. But then I repeated the same lap time. The feeling wasn’t as good with the second set of tyres. I think the temperature went up with the track and I made one or two mistakes. So pole position was probably possible or close anyway. But yes, the balance was also not perfect but we can all sit together now and discuss what we’re going to do in the race because we know how much the track changes over twenty-four hours. Now is not important but it’s still a nice feeling to be in the front”.

[458 Italia]

Just 45 minutes away from the start! The warm up session earlier this morning was a wet one, the track looks to be drying now though but there will still be a few damp patches around.

Are Kiera and Jacob on the wall at Le Mans Rob?

[458 Italia]

IT'S LIGHTS OUT AND AWA.......... ........Nah I'm not saying that :-D

WE ARE GREEN AND WE ARE RACING AT LE MANS! :ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[458 Italia]

Yes! James Calado in #51 overtakes Gimi Bruni in the Porsche and now leads GTE Pro!

[Rob]

We off wahooooooo

[458 Italia]

We off wahooooooo

Mark Cole is annoying me already :rotfl

[Rob]

Mark Cole is annoying me already :rotfl

Use radiolemans.com mark cole used to like tom gaymor cannt stand. Yes used be aston driver but leave that at the door. Commentators meant be unbiased.

[458 Italia]

Use radiolemans.com mark cole used to like tom gaymor cannt stand. Yes used be aston driver but leave that at the door. Commentators meant be unbiased.

Good suggestion will give it ago if it's not too much out of sync with the pictures I'm seeing. The commentary is way too partisan for my liking, like you say they should be unbiased.

[Rob]

Good suggestion will give it ago if it's not too much out of sync with the pictures I'm seeing. The commentary is way too partisan for my liking, like you say they should be unbiased.

No not too bad. I got pics my friend vale sent me from the gris but cannt upload as to big.

[Rob]

Good suggestion will give it ago if it's not too much out of sync with the pictures I'm seeing. The commentary is way too partisan for my liking, like you say they should be unbiased.

No not too bad. I got pics my friend vale sent me from the grid but cannt upload as to big.

[458 Italia]

Where we are after the first hour:

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[Rob]

Got an extension to run to make the fiawec timing better.

[458 Italia]

Got an extension to run to make the fiawec timing better.

Ooooo please share!

[Rob]

Try better timing for no race in particular. Add it to extensions on laptop, then open fia wec website then timing, it should then lay it out like the al kamel system as used in pits

[Rob]

You dont get race control messages unfortunately. But its far better then the fiawec timing

[458 Italia]

Try better timing for no race in particular. Add it to extensions on laptop, then open fia wec website then timing, it should then lay it out like the al kamel system as used in pits

Nice! 1000000000x better! :thumb

[doublesixes]

Hi guys.

Anybody has a link to a streaming site of LM24Hs? I could not find a site for the life of me. Thanks in advance!~

[Rob]

Nice! 1000000000x better! :thumb

Cool, alot better isn't it.

[458 Italia]

Hi guys.

Anybody has a link to a streaming site of LM24Hs? I could not find a site for the life of me. Thanks in advance!~

Try here:

https://www.stream2watch.io/live-sports/24-hours-of-le-mans-live-stream

Scroll down to the yellow play stream and it should give you the same feed as I'm watching.

[doublesixes]

Try here:

https://www.stream2watch.io/live-sports/24-hours-of-le-mans-live-stream

Scroll down to the yellow play stream and it should give you the same feed as I'm watching.

Thanks bro!

[458 Italia]

Cool, alot better isn't it.

I like being able to see split times and that little predicted lap count in the top left is pretty neat.

[Rob]

I like being able to see split times and that little predicted lap count in the top left is pretty neat.

Yeah so do i. There was a good free al kamel one couple yeaes back. But fia got on to the guy who ran it to pull down the wec and le mans timing. As didnt want the same as got in pits for free. So now only got their dire timing. And thanks to this extension it pretty much gives us what we want.

[458 Italia]

Superb really. I've always loved being able to have all the data in front of me stemming from the older F1 days. Shame the FIA want to stop fans being able to see it.

[458 Italia]

Second hour:

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[458 Italia]

Pier Guidi is flying in #51, AF Corse should make the switch IMO. As I say that #71 pits.

[458 Italia]

#51 Gets given the black and white for abusing track limits. Interesting to know where.

My Metored weather app which is French is telling me rain is due around 19:00.

[Rob]

#51 Gets given the black and white for abusing track limits. Interesting to know where.

My Metored weather app which is French is telling me rain is due around 19:00.

Yeah been forecast all week, thunder too.

[Rob]

#51 Gets given the black and white for abusing track limits. Interesting to know where.

My Metored weather app which is French is telling me rain is due around 19:00.

Only changed left side tyres

[458 Italia]

Only changed left side tyres

I'm gonna say it quietly but both cars seem to be running great, Pier is only 5 secs behind the Aston and nibbling time out of the gap each lap.

[Rob]

I'm gonna say it quietly but both cars seem to be running great, Pier is only 5 secs behind the Aston and nibbling time out of the gap each lap.

Ssssh dont tempt fate

[Rob]

Type in search
timing. radioshow. limited

Then when it opens, click on open new tap icon in top right corner of the page. Its the same have in pits. And on bottom have all the race stewards messages

[458 Italia]

Type in search
timing. radioshow. limited

Then when it opens, click on open new tap icon in top right corner of the page. Its the same have in pits. And on bottom have all the race stewards messages

Nice one :thumb

Pier looked really angry just now!

[Rob]

Nice one :thumb

Pier looked really angry just now!

I have just messaged seb. See whats up.

[458 Italia]

After 4 hours of racing:

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[458 Italia]

Yes!!! AF now currently 1 and 2.

[458 Italia]

a AM Ferrari whacks the wall and brings us the first Safety Car of the race.

[Rob]

a AM Ferrari whacks the wall and brings us the first Safety Car of the race.

My friend chris car. I speak to stefan aswell. Hope alex can get it back

[458 Italia]

My friend chris car. I speak to stefan aswell. Hope alex can get it back

It was terminal sadly wasn't it?

I'm in the pub so relying on you for updates until I get home.

[Rob]

It was terminal sadly wasn't it?

I'm in the pub so relying on you for updates until I get home.

:rotfl :wine

Yeah. Not sure what happened, just wait hear from chris. He just said alex ok, just bruised ego

[458 Italia]

Back from the pub :wine:wine now I'm home do I have G&T or open the Fleurie :Hmm

Shocked to see #71 so far back! Oh damn big brake issues :-s

Really disappointed with Eurosport bringing the Italian Nationality in to commentary :furious:furious:furious

[458 Italia]

It's looking like heartbreak for Kobayashi in the #7 Toyota who is now 3rd in LMP1 and overall.

[wisepie]

That was close in GTE Pro, sadly not in AF Corse's favour, but P2 is still something to be proud of. Risi in P4 too, but GTE Am wasn't as kind to the Ferrari teams with P3 for AF Corse and P6 for JMW, the other 488 GTEs were spaced out down the Am field but just finishing was a credit to them all. Will await Rob and 458Italia's comments with interest.