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Yes, but percentage-wise, not so good. And that's an argument I remember having with McLaren fans back in the day.

That's what I mean, their stats will look better in terms of win percentage vs Ferrari whereas they simply walked away from the sport and became an engine supplier. That's what bothers me about it.

It's a problem because it affects the stats. If they come back like they did last time and win more races, it affects their winning percentage. We all know it's much harder to run a team than it is...

Mercedes was also quite terrible before they started their domination. We all know why the dominated and got away with it. The problem with them is, they wont endure this for too long, they will...

Carolos was talking about a 2 tenth of a second advantage that they have. But hey, all of this is great considering where Ferrari were last year at this time. I'll take it. Hopefully Ferrari can...

I think there is some truth behind certain employees being worried about the partnership that RB will have with Ford and the preformance of the engine. It seems that RB's domination will come to an...

No new floor for Ferrari at Suzuka is what I read.

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Doesn't seem that Perez is a threat any longer.

Oh God, how does this play out... Piastri will catch Leclerc...

MV out is already a good outcome regardless of the final positions...

Glad to see this is happening to someone other than Ferrari :-D

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Newey leaving Red Bull in any way, shape or form is good news for Ferrari, so I'll take that.

I was thinking 12-15 seconds behind, but I'll take 6-8 seconds...

So that's actually a deficit of 0.280/lap. If that's the same gap next week, it will confirm that estimation and we can consider this a huge accomplishment.

I don't think Ferrari's gap to Red Bull is as big as they're saying. Leclerc had an issue that affected his entire race, let's see what the gap is next race before we reach any conclusions...

There's way too much smoke about Newey to Ferrari for it to be pure speculation. Something must be happening behind the scenes, we'll see if anything comes of it, but I'm starting to believe talks...

Now that sounds like something that would bring the sport into disrepute.

I think there were gains to be made from fuel this year if I'm not mistaken?

Still too early to tell, but the constructors might not be a lock this year for RB...

Careful, the track was getting a lot faster at the end, times are not representative...

That Mercedes though :Hmm

Read that article earlier, also read James Key from Sauber mention that he was surprised Ferrari stayed with the push rod because the pull rod was "clearly faster"... At this point we might as well...

I really don't understand what this has to do with the argument that you are both having? Other forum members have expressed the same thing, we don't want threads clogged up with bickering...