The constant and boring Massa replaced by.....thread

**Nova** · 29th June 2011, 00:31

Originally Posted by siberianlady

Oh jeez just because I had an unfortunate choice of words you all go bananas......of course I didn't mean Felipe deliberately let Fernando past........at the start they are all for themselves.......but it just shows our boys don't take each other out like Macca folks and some fizzy drink drivers........
And despite all that is said I think Fernando and Felipe make a good pair so why do folks think we need to swap Felipe for anyone else out there......

I never thought so...I like Felipe. They do make a good pair. N I really do like it when Massa is on FA...loved the start of Spain..Ferrari's all over the RB's.

**racingbradley** · 29th June 2011, 10:09

Originally Posted by siberianlady

Oh jeez just because I had an unfortunate choice of words you all go bananas......of course I didn't mean Felipe deliberately let Fernando past........at the start they are all for themselves......

Understood fully I have the same problem

I must qualify everything I say in future with no hidden meaning. My last post should have read:

He provided the opportunity for Nando to pass ( merely by co-incidence and not on purpose)----Webber couldn't defend both sides of the track!
I guess that was team strategy (for both drivers to try and make up places using the opposite sides of the track so they did not touch.)
Cela vie I must be more careful in future smack hand !

**sagi58** · 29th June 2011, 11:07

No need to be facetious!

My comment was made "tongue in cheek"! More than anything to
highlight that not everything Ferrari drivers do is a "team order"!

My apologies for not using a "sarcastic" smilie! Do we have one?

**Suzie** · 29th June 2011, 20:44

Originally Posted by sagi58

No need to be facetious!

My comment was made "tongue in cheek"! More than anything to
highlight that not everything Ferrari drivers do is a "team order"!

My apologies for not using a "sarcastic" smilie! Do we have one?

The closest is probably

.

**siberianlady** · 29th June 2011, 22:03

Haha.......I think we are all on the same page basically (at least I hope so if we are all Ferrari fans)......just we do all get misunderstood now and again......no problems.........good luck to all at Silverstone!

**racingbradley** · 29th June 2011, 22:45

We all want the same things----both drivers on the podium. It's just how we express ourselves.

**sagi58** · 30th June 2011, 11:21

Originally Posted by Suzie

The closest is probably

.

I actually thought of that one; but, it seems to convey impatience more than sarcasm!
Ah, well, back to using quotation marks, I guess, eh?

bradley and lady, you're both right!! The written word is always open to interpretation and even
if we think we've expressed ourselves clearly, everything depends on how what we've written
is perceived!! I guess the best thing is to ask, when we're not sure what someone intends!

A great example is the title of this thread. I honestly wasn't going to even bother reading
anything about the "constant and boring Massa" because I don't think he is!!

Then I realized that description was intended for the "thread"!!

Like I said, better to ask when unsure!!

**gpmaster** · 30th June 2011, 16:32

There is Jenson Button again

Jenson Button says he is not ready to talk about his future just yet

Jenson Button says he is not ready to discuss his future just yet, as he is enjoying working with McLaren so much at the moment.

"I don't want to think about the future because I'm still enjoying the present. I really enjoy working with McLaren," said Button during a Vodafone event in Hungary.

The Briton, who joined the team last year, looks set to stay on after McLaren said it has no plans to change its line-up at the moment.

Button, the 2009 world champion, admitted he would like to race alongside Fernando Alonso, although he conceded that is unlikely to happen.

When being asked who his ideal team-mate would be, he said: "Ayrton Senna. Fernando Alonso too - although I don't think that'll ever happen. I've never spoken to Ferrari about a drive."

The McLaren driver also suggested he would like to race in other series when he retires from F1.

"I'd love to race in something after Formula 1 - maybe DTM or Aussie V8s? And I'll definitely do some driver management, because I think I'd have a lot to offer."

**BaronVonAwesome** · 1st July 2011, 14:40

Well just to add to this, Speedweek magazine say that Jean Todt is shopping Massa on the market atm as Massa is concerned about losing his 2012 seat, the rumour being Kubica is apparently signed to replace him if he can return to race fit fitness.

**Ferrarichamp** · 1st July 2011, 15:03

I heard Herman Munster is keen to replace Felipe Massa, as things are quiet down at the parlour...of course I'm not sure Lily would agree to it.

**Alonsomaniac** · 1st July 2011, 20:12

7 pages and Felipe is still here..........and I think it should stay that way.

**siberianlady** · 1st July 2011, 22:00

Felipe is not going anywhere for now and if Ferrari are really interested in Kube then they will want him to do a season at least after he is back to show he is fully fit. Ferrari are certainly not going to take a risk on a guy we don't even know yet if he'll ever get back to F1 fitness.

**sagi58** · 2nd July 2011, 00:05

Originally Posted by siberianlady

...Ferrari are certainly not going to take a risk on a guy we don't even know yet if he'll ever get back to F1 fitness.

I know this won't be popular, but it needs to be said: Ferrari took a "calculated risk" on Felipe after his horrific accident.
Much as I wished him a speedy and full recovery, personally, I believe that was the turning point of his career.

My sincerest apologies in advance, if anyone takes offence; none is intended!

**Corey** · 2nd July 2011, 03:24

Originally Posted by sagi58

I know this won't be popular, but it needs to be said: Ferrari took a "calculated risk" on Felipe after his horrific accident.
Much as I wished him a speedy and full recovery, personally, I believe that was the turning point of his career.

So do you mean that Felipe has passed his prime after July 2009? And that Felipe would have handled the problems with hard compounds better in 2010 had he not had the accident?

**sagi58** · 2nd July 2011, 10:54

Originally Posted by Cathay Pacific

So do you mean that Felipe has passed his prime after July 2009? And that Felipe would have handled the problems with hard compounds better in 2010 had he not had the accident?

I did NOT say NOR did I intend anything about his "prime" -- simply put, I believe that accident changed him.
As for how he "would have" handled anything without having that experience, is an exercise in futility, as there
is no way to know!

But, you go ahead and speculate, if you like!

**Greig** · 2nd July 2011, 11:15

Originally Posted by sagi58

I know this won't be popular, but it needs to be said: Ferrari took a "calculated risk" on Felipe after his horrific accident.
Much as I wished him a speedy and full recovery, personally, I believe that was the turning point of his career.

My sincerest apologies in advance, if anyone takes offence; none is intended!

Felipe is the same driver he was before the accident, if we wheeled out the F2008 he would lap it at the same times he did prior to his accident I have no doubt about that. There was no risk by Ferrari to put him back in the car, Massa was wanting to get back in the car the next race after his accident shows how much it affected him right? Telemetry would show up a lot if Felipe was worried about pushing himself and the car.

**Suzie** · 2nd July 2011, 12:36

It's a bit of a lazy assumption to say 'Felipe's not the same after his accident' IMO, without looking at the other factors why he wasn't coping with the car last year as well as he was in 2008/9. Some people seem to define him by what happened, when I'm sure he doesn't define himself by it.

**sagi58** · 2nd July 2011, 15:35

Originally Posted by Suzie

It's a bit of a lazy assumption to say 'Felipe's not the same after his accident' IMO...

First Cathay infers that I'm suggesting that Massa is "past his prime" and now this?

Just to clarify, like most Ferrari fans, I wished Massa all the best for a speedy recovery; however, I don't see the "fire"
that was more evident pre-Hungaroring!! My comment was NOT an "assumption", it was based on my own perceptions
since that horrific day. NOR was it "lazy" as I did try to consider other factors that may have impacted on his psyche.
I realize that my comment would not be appreciated by his fans, however, it was made with all due respect.

**Suzie** · 3rd July 2011, 20:06

But you can't just go and say the accident changed him without explaining why you think it did - for example how exactly do you believe it affected his driving ability?
That's why I said it was a lazy assumption - people say things like 'he's not the same' without taking all the other factors such as the different car, tyres etc into account, or explaining fully why they believe Felipe is still being affected by what happened.

But anyway as you have said in the past you're a Kimi fan so I'm not surprised you hold that opinion

**sagi58** · 3rd July 2011, 21:30

Originally Posted by Suzie

But anyway as you have said in the past you're a Kimi fan so I'm not surprised you hold that opinion

Touche'!

**siberianlady** · 3rd July 2011, 22:21

I just want to say one thing- in my humble opinion of course-it is a completely different kettle of fish standing by your own long standing driver who get hurt in an accident who is under contract to your team and is quasi your employee and member of the "family" (Felipe) compared to taking the risk of employing someone else's driver of whom you have no real first hand knowledge and don't know if he will ever regain his 100% abilities (Robert).....I still cannot imagine Ferrari signing him until he has proved his fitness and skills on track again....sad as it may be.

**sagi58** · 4th July 2011, 00:15

Originally Posted by siberianlady

...it is a completely different kettle of fish standing by your own long standing driver... compared to taking the risk of employing someone else's driver of whom you have no real first hand knowledge...

Too true!!

Which is why I suggested it was a "calculated risk" on the part of Ferrari!

**Fiondella** · 4th July 2011, 14:04

People suffering with Narcolepsy should stay away from this thread!!!

**Greig** · 4th July 2011, 14:05

Kimi sucks

still feels good

**Fiondella** · 4th July 2011, 14:12

Massa should re....... zzzzzzZZZZZZZ

**racingbradley** · 4th July 2011, 15:00

All Felipe needs is a big result then threads like this would be in the minority!

Don't think it will happen at Silverstone---hard tyres are a no no

**sagi58** · 4th July 2011, 15:42

Originally Posted by Greig

Kimi sucks

still feels good

Ahem... I think you need some kind of punctuation, otherwise...
Well, I don't have to tell you how it reads, eh??

**schumi1** · 4th July 2011, 16:38

We need to keep with felipe him and fernando are a good partnership lets
not forget how good massa can be on his day forza felipe.

**Mrs.Domenicali** · 4th July 2011, 23:22

Non molliamo Soddisfatto di Massa e Alonso"Il presidente torna a spronare la Ferrari: "Situazione difficile, ma ogni volta dobbiamo puntare alla vittoria. E sono molto soddisfatto dei piloti.

I don't think Felipe is going anywhere

**sagi58** · 5th July 2011, 02:16

Mica Luca e' scemo? Non si metterebbe mai a parlare male in aperto!
Percio ha tanto successo ed e' per questo motivo che si nomina nella
politica! L'uomo e' discreto!

(It's not like Luca is a fool. He would never speak badly in public.
That's why he is so successful and that's why he has been linked
to a career in politics. The man is discrete.)

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