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    Quote Originally Posted by Jas View Post
    Sorry to be a little bit rude but that is
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    2. off topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jas View Post
    Yea, and if Lewis's team didn't make their mistakes he would be running away with this championship... Or if... Oh wait back to reality.

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    what updates will we have for Valencia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrarichamp View Post
    what updates will we have for Valencia?
    Extensive updates on pit wall as some major tweaks in heads of Ferrari strategists... :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrarichamp View Post
    what updates will we have for Valencia?
    I think just like Canada here, we won't know until that GP week itself. Ferrari don't officially announce the details, we'll usually hear some rumor as we get closer to the race, and only get confirmation on Thursday or Friday when we start seeing pictures of the car parts at the circuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrarichamp View Post
    what updates will we have for Valencia?
    Not much. The car will still be in Monaco/Canada spec..
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    The aim is to bring something new to every race. They will probably bring only minor updates if any to Valencia.

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    I think the first half of race showed the better picture of this season's performance standing. Ferrari, McLaren and Red Bull are still the top teams, as shown by all 3 drivers pulling away from the rest at the front.

    My guess is Ferrari and Red Bull is about the same right now, while McLaren is faster, and still the team to beat.

    Ferrari need to continue improving its pace. Lewis is a tough driver to beat with a fast McLaren. As we've seen after the first pit stop, there's nothing Alonso or Vettel can do to respond to Lewis pace. Whenever Alonso close in on him, he manage to respond and keep the gap. We're going to see more of this if we don't improve.

    IMO, as the season progresses, we will see the 3 top team starting to get ahead of the rest, as it so often is the case. There's no way the other teams will be able to follow as they do not have the development capability to keep up with Ferrari, RB and McLaren. So we need to fight for our own now, no more relying on weird results by other teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs316 View Post
    Not much. The car will still be in Monaco/Canada spec..
    To Monaco from Canada we had quite few updates Monaco was closer to Spain update than the Canada one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by number 13 View Post
    To Monaco from Canada we had quite few updates Monaco was closer to Spain update than the Canada one.
    Yep. What I meant to say is - Do not expect HUGE upgrades for Valencia. The car will more or less be the same as in Canada...
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    "We will bring new updates for Valencia. The first objective is not to fight for pole position as we did here but to be able to take a pole position after such a long time. Of course there will be another evolution but I'm sure the others will do the same so it's a matter to see how the package is performing on the track and that will make the difference."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    I think the first half of race showed the better picture of this season's performance standing. Ferrari, McLaren and Red Bull are still the top teams, as shown by all 3 drivers pulling away from the rest at the front.

    My guess is Ferrari and Red Bull is about the same right now, while McLaren is faster, and still the team to beat.

    Ferrari need to continue improving its pace. Lewis is a tough driver to beat with a fast McLaren. As we've seen after the first pit stop, there's nothing Alonso or Vettel can do to respond to Lewis pace. Whenever Alonso close in on him, he manage to respond and keep the gap. We're going to see more of this if we don't improve.

    IMO, as the season progresses, we will see the 3 top team starting to get ahead of the rest, as it so often is the case. There's no way the other teams will be able to follow as they do not have the development capability to keep up with Ferrari, RB and McLaren. So we need to fight for our own now, no more relying on weird results by other teams.

    Agree..as long as we keep the development barrage going. And you are def right on the Mac..they were able to control the race.

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    Really? I don't know, I mean Fernando was able to stay with Lewis, and catch him at the end of the stints before the pitstops, and if we go by the second driver logic, Button was nowhere, Webber was there or thereabouts, and Felipe could have got podium if he hadn't spun, as his pace was actually very good.

    Lewis is also one of those drivers that can hustle the car, but i think it was pretty equal between the top teams, maybe RedBull shaded back a little with Vettel.


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    Domenicali:

    We must continue like this: more updates will arrive in Valencia and then again in Silverstone. The key to the season is to continue to push on the development of the car and, at the same time, understand how best to manage tyre behaviour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hombre B View Post
    that's good news, I think with their resources Ferrari should be able to bring updates every GP.

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    Some times qualifying strategy can be trumped by race-craft. Much of it has to do with the track and the tires provided by Pirelli. A quick objective analysis of how teams with cars in the top 10 finished vs. their qualifying positions tells who were winners and losers based on race-craft. By simply adding up the change in a driver's finish compared to his grid position we can see which teams performed best. This would seem to weigh potential vs. results.
    Sauber - +14
    Lotus - +9
    McLaren - -5
    Ferrari - -6
    Red Bull - -6
    Merc - -17

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    after what happened to MSC im a little bit worried about the safety of the DRS wing. just for instance if a car tries to catchup and activates the DRS in the straight and accidentally it does not return to normal position. the car will have a definite imbalance under braking. might collide with the car in front or hit the barriers. besides, this DRS thing is an artificial form of overtaking.
    Hell would have broken loose

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    Hi, i'm new to this forum !!! Ferrari Supporter and decided to join !!!

    According to ferrari new updates, it seems that they obtained +0.3 seconds per lap on Canadian Grand prix, do you think that F-2012 has now reached its development limit in terms on huge gain in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeks21 View Post
    Hi, i'm new to this forum !!! Ferrari Supporter and decided to join !!!

    According to ferrari new updates, it seems that they obtained +0.3 seconds per lap on Canadian Grand prix, do you think that F-2012 has now reached its development limit in terms on huge gain in time.
    Doubt it, there is always time to be found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeks21 View Post
    Hi, i'm new to this forum !!! Ferrari Supporter and decided to join !!!

    According to ferrari new updates, it seems that they obtained +0.3 seconds per lap on Canadian Grand prix, do you think that F-2012 has now reached its development limit in terms on huge gain in time.
    Our car can evolve more than any other car on the grid. It is not evolution of last year's car but builded from the beggining. So plenty room for urgrades.

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    Hamilton:
    "Ferrari has been the reference in the last three races for the large number of improvements that have been made to the car. They are running with a copy of our exhaust system. They are obviously taking important steps forward"

    also it has been rumoured that in Valencia we will see new modified diffuser that further tweaks new exhaust system. Bigger updates are planned for Silverstone and Germany...

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    It's obvious that our car can be evolved more than any other on the grid.

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    It's pretty impressive the rate at which Ferrari are developing the car. Though in my opinion the car still lacks identity as in it doesn't possess a strong point over other cars (e.g. top Speed, traction etc..), and that's not a criticism of any sort but I'm just saying that it's a well rounded car which should bode well for all circuits on the calender.
    I think the most impressive development was fixing the traction issues, we had it with the F150 and it never seemed to go away but this year they've realized what was wrong with the car, just put their head downs and said they're going to fix it....and THEY HAVE. Excellent.
    Hopefully with the new updates in Valencia and slightly less hotter temps, Ferrari will march to pole and finally return back to the dominating form of 2004. The good thing about Ferrari this year is that they seem very honest and humble with regard to the car's performance, so whatever they tell us we can believe.

    As for next year, I hope the FIA BAN all sorts of blown exhausts which aim to provide some sort of aerodynamic benefit. I know Ferrari have their's working now but I still believe it's almost like a driver aid....seeing the Ferrari and other cars got through the chicane on rails from onboard shots is just not fun. I want to see racing and that means that sometimes the car's have to be unstable and fish-tailing. I hope it is banned and they are re-positioned next year so that they have no effect on overall car performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by medeni73 View Post
    Hamilton:
    "Ferrari has been the reference in the last three races for the large number of improvements that have been made to the car. They are running with a copy of our exhaust system. They are obviously taking important steps forward"

    also it has been rumoured that in Valencia we will see new modified diffuser that further tweaks new exhaust system. Bigger updates are planned for Silverstone and Germany...
    If those rumours are true, Ferrari will be laughing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by scuderiafan View Post
    If those rumours are true, Ferrari will be laughing.
    And I will be smiling

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    According to Tombazis in Ferrari racing news:
    - the work they have been doing from first test untill now is continuing with the same intensity
    - they've got developements that will keep coming over the few next races
    - in Valencia they are going to do experiments on the front wing and floor, they are going to have further evolution of exhausts
    - following that there will also be rear wing and turning vanes upgrades (in Valencia or later?)
    - he believes that is something that will continue untill the last race

    - they have evaluated DDRS, in their opinion the benefits and negatives are quite even. DDRS is not the priority at the moment

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    Quote Originally Posted by wacc View Post
    - they have evaluated DDRS, in their opinion the benefits and negatives are quite even. DDRS is not the priority at the moment
    Correct. IMO it's too late to experiment on DDRS.

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    BBC's Gary Anderson with Analysis of the new exhaust & brake ducts




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    http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsp...ml?CMP=OTC-RSS

    Always a nice read a few days before a race!

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    The evolution continues on the route to Valencia

    Maranello, 19 June - After the always popular North American interlude in Montreal, the European season now gets into full swing, with the remaining seven Grands Prix on the Old Continent all running concurrently through to the Italian event in September. This weekend’s European Grand Prix takes place at the newest of those seven venues, the Valencia street circuit, which will be hosting its fifth Formula 1 race on Sunday. When the track was opened, it was touted as a “Spanish Monaco” and it matches the Principality with its harbour setting and even has competitors running over a swing-bridge, which is as unusual a feature as Monaco’s tunnel, while the team garages location is suitably picturesque, located in a former fish market. However, the track characteristics are quite different: the barriers are further from the track side, some corners have run off areas and cars run less downforce, while being a new venue, the track surface, although abrasive, is much smoother, with fewer bumps than in Monte Carlo. However, the street circuit staples of slow corners and the need for good traction are found here in abundance.

    Not long ago, traction was in short supply on the F2012, but as was clearly seen in Montreal, a circuit that should not have suited the early-season Ferrari package, progress has been made in this area. “It’s all down to a huge amount of work, from a large number of people, with particular emphasis on aerodynamics, design and production,” said Nikolas Tombazis, Scuderia Ferrari’s Chief Designer. “It’s been intense over the past few months resulting in a big improvement in car performance. We have worked with determination to deal with all the negative points we picked up right from the first test in the winter.”

    One of the most obvious changes to the F2012 in Canada was a return to an exhaust configuration that resembled the one seen on the car when it was first launched. “The exhaust layout in Montreal was a cousin of the one we tested in Jerez at the launch,” was how Tombazis explained its design. “The former one was more complicated and created various problems for us which meant it did not contribute much in terms of lap time or making the driver feel it was a benefit. We therefore abandoned it, while addressing other weaknesses on the car, until we reached the first major change which came in time for the Spanish Grand Prix. That had a different, central exhaust configuration, at a point when we had effectively reviewed the entire car, from its front wing, the diffuser, the rear wing and turning vanes and brake ducts, producing what was in aero terms effectively a new car. However, we kept working on the exhausts to develop a more robust and simple system, but it still related to the original one and that is what we introduced in Canada.”

    The progress from a car with which our drivers struggled to get into Q3 to one that now seems capable of challenging for the front row of the grid and the top step of the podium has been dramatic, but Tombazis still wants more. “At the moment, we are reasonably satisfied with the point we are at now, given where we started from, however, we cannot be totally happy, as we are not in a position to dominate races, or indeed to win all of them, which is always one’s objective,” affirmed the designer. “We have very strong competitors who are also continuing to develop their cars and we feel this technology race will continue to the end of the season. Our work is continuing at the same intensity and, our plan is to introduce developments at every race, starting with Valencia: this weekend we will be experimenting with the front wing and the floor, while having further evolutions of the exhausts. We already have other updates in the pipeline for subsequent races and I believe this will continue right through to the very last race.”

    Top speed is not a priority at the Valencia track, but nevertheless it is an area that was a weak point for the Scuderia and one on which it continues to work to improve. “Top speed in F1 is now more complicated than in the past, because of the DRS system, as it has changed the optimum level of drag for a car for any given circuit” explains Tombazis. “Therefore it’s not just a case of producing a wing that generates a bit less downforce and drag to deliver higher speeds. We have had to work on the DRS itself and the drag generated by the rest of the car body. We have made improvements in this area, but not yet quite enough to close the gap completely to the best in the field in this area.” Tombazis and the rest of the Ferrari workforce have never been afraid of hard work, but the designer admits that recent progress has made their jobs easier. “Rightly or wrongly there is an expectation that, as Ferrari, we must be winning every race and always be competitive,” he maintains. “At the start of the season we were in an uncompetitive situation, which was a big shock for me personally and for my colleagues. It has been a hard few months, but we put our heads down and tackled the problem calmly and I think the last few races have been a morale boost for all of us: it has made us believe we can get the job done.”

    In the very early days of the Formula1 World Championship, existing rounds of the series would be nominated as the European GP, as an additional honorary title. Since it became a race in its own right, it has been held twenty one times, starting in 1983, with breaks from ’86 to ’93, after which it missed 1998, before running every year to the present day. Valencia is its fifth home, following Brands Hatch, Nurburgring, Donington Park and Jerez. The Scuderia has a good record, with a Ferrari driver having hoisted the European trophy on six occasions, which is more than any other team. Our current drivers have also gone well in this event, as Fernando Alonso has won it twice, with other teams at the Nurburgring, in 2005 and ’07. Felipe was victorious at the wheel of a Prancing Horse car, starting from pole here in the maiden race at Valencia in 2008. The Brazilian has repaid the hard work of everyone in Maranello, by getting to grips with the F2012 and delivering much more competitive performances in the last couple of races. The Valencian event has rapidly established itself as a popular fixture on the calendar, with many spectators coming not just for the racing, but also for the Summer Solstice festival that sees everyone flock to the beach near the track to celebrate the longest day of the year. Inevitably though, even with the arrival of a new Spanish F1 team, the main attraction is our own Fernando Alonso. The man from Oviedo can be credited with making what was previously a minority interest sport on the Iberian peninsula into one of the most popular and it’s not by chance that the Valencia street circuit was built the year after he secured his back to back world championships in 2005 and ’06. Having finished second in his first home race in Barcelona just over a month ago, Fernando will no doubt be hoping that a more competitive F2012 will allow him to stand on the top step of a Spanish podium, whatever the actual name of the Grand Prix.
    http://www.ferrari.com/english/formu...-valencia.aspx


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