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    Quote Originally Posted by Jas View Post
    Did we?!?!...regarding the bold bit, last line!
    Marko is referring to what we had on the F10, but trying to make it look like its about the F2012.

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    McLaren developing their own double-DRS - but undecided on whether to run it
    Thursday 02nd August 2012, 11:45 by Ryan Wood

    © McLarenMcLaren sporting director Sam Michael has revealed that the Woking outfit has developed its own version of Mercedes double-DRS.

    The system boosts straight-line speed by stalling the rear-wing when open, or in Lotus's case, when closed.

    However the team are yet to decide whether it will see the light of day this season, before such systems are banned for 2013.

    "It's not like the Lotus one, but we have got a system like that," Michael explained to Autosport. "As for the chances of us bringing it [to the car], I don't know yet.

    "We will look at all the programmes and see if it is feasible, because it requires work and it detracts from normal upgrades as well. So it is quite difficult to make the system work, as Lotus are discovering.

    "But like anything in the pit lane, if we see a new idea then the guys jump on it, they analyse it and, if we decide that it will be a benefit to the team, then we will bring it."

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    All we need to sort out is front end traction in extremely slow corners (Turns 1&2 at Malaysia and China, Turn 12 at Montmelo, Loews Hairpin at Monaco etc). At the Hungaroring we lost 5-6 tenths in the final two corners, where the front end wouldn't hold on. Fernando had practically matched Lewis to within 0.010s through the first two sectors. Going to Spa, Turn 1 and the Rivage Hairpin will punish the car if the updates don't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scholesy_1822 View Post
    All we need to sort out is front end traction in extremely slow corners (Turns 1&2 at Malaysia and China, Turn 12 at Montmelo, Loews Hairpin at Monaco etc). At the Hungaroring we lost 5-6 tenths in the final two corners, where the front end wouldn't hold on. Fernando had practically matched Lewis to within 0.010s through the first two sectors. Going to Spa, Turn 1 and the Rivage Hairpin will punish the car if the updates don't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino View Post
    McLaren developing their own double-DRS - but undecided on whether to run it
    Thursday 02nd August 2012, 11:45 by Ryan Wood

    © McLarenMcLaren sporting director Sam Michael has revealed that the Woking outfit has developed its own version of Mercedes double-DRS.

    The system boosts straight-line speed by stalling the rear-wing when open, or in Lotus's case, when closed.

    However the team are yet to decide whether it will see the light of day this season, before such systems are banned for 2013.

    "It's not like the Lotus one, but we have got a system like that," Michael explained to Autosport. "As for the chances of us bringing it [to the car], I don't know yet.

    "We will look at all the programmes and see if it is feasible, because it requires work and it detracts from normal upgrades as well. So it is quite difficult to make the system work, as Lotus are discovering.

    "But like anything in the pit lane, if we see a new idea then the guys jump on it, they analyse it and, if we decide that it will be a benefit to the team, then we will bring it."
    AFAIK, Mercedes double DRS has got nothing to do with Lotus' system. The media simply throw the DDRS term around.

    Mercedes DRS is said to be double because it stalls both the front wing and rear wing when DRS is activated. This is the system that is aimed to be banned next year. We're not sure how the wording of the rules will be, maybe it will ban any form of stalling at the front wing.

    The Lotus system is a completely different system. Its a passive way of stalling the rear wing without DRS activation, it's a self working system that relies on the speed of the car where at certain speed, the system will automatically divert the air to stall the rear wing (according to Ted on Skysports). But it doesn't stall the front wing, there's nothing double about it.


    The key here is, is McLaren trying to copy Mercedes or Lotus? Mercedes system would be useless since its going to be banned next year. But the Lotus system, if proven to work, is something all teams may have to look at for next year. (Unless the FIA decides to ban it too)

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    Important bits... Fry admits the latest updates have not worked as expected, however they understand the issues now (not shooting in the dark any longer) and will adjust the development programme accordingly. This week small bits for Spa are being manufactured while the wind tunnel is busy with the Singapore updates. A reasonable update will be available at Spa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIEK View Post


    Important bits... Fry admits the latest updates have not worked as expected, however they understand the issues now (not shooting in the dark any longer) and will adjust the development programme accordingly. This week small bits for Spa are being manufactured while the wind tunnel is busy with the Singapore updates. A reasonable update will be available at Spa.
    Hey, That's good to hear. Atleast the team know how to fix their recent updates which didn't work. I don't expect the Spa update to be that big, I think the Singapore update will be bigger but we'll see. As for the video did anyone notice how he said "ENGINE TWEAK" for Monza??? Interesting....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIEK View Post

    Important bits... Fry admits the latest updates have not worked as expected, however they understand the issues now (not shooting in the dark any longer) and will adjust the development programme accordingly. This week small bits for Spa are being manufactured while the wind tunnel is busy with the Singapore updates. A reasonable update will be available at Spa.
    Good to know

    My biggest worry is Singapore since its probably more similar (tight twisty slow circuit) to Hungary while Spa is more of a high speed high downforce circuit. I think Spa and Monza should suit the F2012 better, and we can fix our problem come Singapore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose-Lorca Fan View Post
    Hey, That's good to hear. Atleast the team know how to fix their recent updates which didn't work. I don't expect the Spa update to be that big, I think the Singapore update will be bigger but we'll see. As for the video did anyone notice how he said "ENGINE TWEAK" for Monza??? Interesting....
    Monza always has a special setup. Rear wing for long straights, and engine set for long time at max revs. Fry could have meant that, or he could mean they have something new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Good to know

    My biggest worry is Singapore since its probably more similar (tight twisty slow circuit) to Hungary while Spa is more of a high speed high downforce circuit. I think Spa and Monza should suit the F2012 better, and we can fix our problem come Singapore.
    Singapore is pointy-squirty - it doesn't have the long corners of Hungaroring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIEK View Post
    they understand the issues now
    I don't wanna be a pessimist, but I will be. :D So: We've heard that awfully lot in the last few years... :/

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    sum up of the vid!

    Plenty of updates in Ferrari pipeline
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    Ferrari will introduce a few "interesting developments" to the F2012 at the Belgian Grand Prix.

    After dominating at Valencia, Silverstone and Hockenheim, Ferrari were slightly off the boil in Budapest with Fernando Alonso only managing to finish fifth after qualifying in P6.

    The Spaniard admitted afterwards that the lack of development cost the team and Technical Director Pat Fry says they learned a few lessons from their disappointment in Hungary.

    "It's true we had a handful of parts that did not work the way we had expected: there's always a chance that can happen in work like this," Fry told Scuderia Ferrari Racing News.

    "The positive aspect is that we understood the problem and everything is alright now: that way, we can use this experience to move forward rather than being left confused about it. In fact, we have a clear idea on the direction we need to take and we have already begun to work in this direction."

    Ferrari, though, will step up when it comes to development ahead of the race at Spa at the start of September.

    "We have a few interesting developments that we will introduce at Spa, a track which, from an aerodynamic downforce point of view, is quite special, as indeed is Monza," he said.

    "In fact, we will also have an aerodynamic and engine package specifically suited to the Italian track. Therefore a lot of work has been done, but there is still also a lot to do: we must continue to keep up the pressure to a high level."

    He added: "We have developed a few small parts for Spa in the wind tunnel, while also concentrating on other updates for Singapore."

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    Fry: “There’s still a lot to do”

    Maranello, 4 August – The first Saturday in August is the start of the two week summer break for the men and women of Scuderia Ferrari. It’s an appropriate time to take a breather after the first part of the season, which was run flat out on what was a rollercoaster ride. And once it restarts, there will be a packed schedule of events all the way to the end, which comes only on 25 November in Sao Paolo, Brazil.

    There’s palpable satisfaction at having sent Fernando Alonso off on holiday with a 40 point lead in the Drivers’ championship, but the overriding sentiment is that there’s still a lot of work to do to get Felipe and Fernando to reach the goals set at the start of the year, especially as they are up against a lot of strong opposition. Before going off on holiday we met with Technical Director Pat Fry and here’s the transcript of the interview which also appeared in the latest edition, the thirteenth this year, of “Scuderia Ferrari Racing News.”

    Eleven races completed, time to look back at the season so far. How do you evaluate the first part of the championship?

    “Obviously, at the start, after the winter tests, we were a bit behind. I think we learned a lot in this period and used that later on. We struggled in the early races: I remember that in Melbourne we were around a second and a half behind the best. We then put in a huge effort, in the wind tunnel, the production department and at the design stages. The entire workforce reacted to the challenge we faced. In my opinion, we have overtaken a large part of the other teams in terms of development over the season: we staged a good recovery, but there is still a long way to go.”

    In Budapest, Fernando spoke of a slight lack of development over the last few races. Can you explain more precisely what he meant by that?

    “It’s true we had a handful of parts that did not work the way we had expected: there’s always a chance that can happen in work like this. The positive aspect is that we understood the problem and everything is alright now: that way, we can use this experience to move forward rather than being left confused about it. In fact, we have a clear idea on the direction we need to take and we have already begun to work in this direction.”

    Does that mean these problems should be fixed in a short space of time?

    “Yes I think that when one tries to get to the limit, one definitely encounters new problems. Now we have a good understanding of the situation, therefore we only need to modify our development criteria and continue to push.”

    There are no F1 races in August. What will happen from today until the race at Spa?
    “We were all here this week and we tried to do as much as possible. We have developed a few small parts for Spa in the wind tunnel, while also concentrating on other updates for Singapore. This has been a very tiring week, but now we have two weeks holiday and that will certainly see us come back revived. Then we will be back, giving it our all immediately after the break.”

    Personally, what will you be doing during the two week break, when you are not at work?

    “I will go home to England to spend some time with my family. It will be nice to have more than two days in a row to spend with my two children.”

    You won’t be able to do any actual work, but do you think you’ll manage to switch off, without thinking about Formula 1, or will work always be in the back of your mind?

    “I’ll try and do my best not to think about Formula 1 and concentrate on spending time with the family.”

    Do you reckon you will manage to recharge your batteries?

    “Yes definitely! The last four, five months have been very tough for all of us in the Scuderia. So I think it’s right that we have a break so everyone can recover and then we will have to come back pushing as hard as we have been doing all the way to the end of the season.”

    When we come back, we tackle the last two races in Europe, at Spa and Monza, which are very different to the previous ones. How do you see the situation in these two races?

    “We have a few interesting developments that we will introduce at Spa, a track which, from an aerodynamic downforce point of view, is quite special, as indeed is Monza. In fact, we will also have an aerodynamic and engine package specifically suited to the Italian track. Therefore a lot of work has been done, but there is still also a lot to do: we must continue to keep up the pressure to a high level.”
    http://www.ferrari.com/english/formu...lot-to-do.aspx

    Pat is never a BSer, so we don't really need to try to find other meanings in what he said, other than what he has said, unless we have an agenda.


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    @ Scuderiafan,

    +1. 110% Agreed. Pat certainly does not have the somber, sad speak he had earlier in the season and now is speaking in a confident, asured manner which nice to see. The Ferrari Team of Engineer's have worked very hard both on the race track and at the Factory! Aerodynamic Development, Mechanical Design & Engineering and rapid Construction of new parts have been the key. Ferrari have found over 1.5 Full second in their race car since the beginning of the season. Now they must find .6 seconds more. They know it is there and all they have to do is find it. You have to give the Ferrari Team a great deal of credit for the huge gains they have made but this is Ferrari and like in as recently as 2010, Ferrari have always had great ability to Develop a race car into a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Good to know

    My biggest worry is Singapore since its probably more similar (tight twisty slow circuit) to Hungary while Spa is more of a high speed high downforce circuit. I think Spa and Monza should suit the F2012 better, and we can fix our problem come Singapore.

    Hope so...but prior to that we have two fastest circuits on map...SPA and MONZA and we need good straight line speed and traction getting out of the corners...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankAlfa View Post
    @ Scuderiafan,

    +1. 110% Agreed. Pat certainly does not have the somber, sad speak he had earlier in the season and now is speaking in a confident, asured manner which nice to see. The Ferrari Team of Engineer's have worked very hard both on the race track and at the Factory! Aerodynamic Development, Mechanical Design & Engineering and rapid Construction of new parts have been the key. Ferrari have found over 1.5 Full second in their race car since the beginning of the season. Now they must find .6 seconds more. They know it is there and all they have to do is find it. You have to give the Ferrari Team a great deal of credit for the huge gains they have made but this is Ferrari and like in as recently as 2010, Ferrari have always had great ability to Develop a race car into a winner.

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    not regarding ferrari, but intresting how the engine itself can have an effect on the tyres, nort relating to the exhaust!

    Mercedes engines wearing out Pirelli tyres
    By Editor on Thursday, August 9, 2012


    Photo credit: Mercedes AMG F1

    McLaren, Mercedes and Force India are all struggling with excessive tyre wear this year.

    And according to Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport, the likely culprit is the trio’s common engine supplier.

    “Lotus, Red Bull and Ferrari can make a set of tyres last longer than we can,” said McLaren’s Lewis Hamilton.

    Auto Motor und Sport said one theory doing the rounds is that the superior mid-range power of Mercedes’ V8 engine is wearing the rear Pirelli tyres too much.

    “On the way out of corners, we are able to keep up,” said Sauber’s Sergio Perez. “But then there comes a phase when the Force India can pull away, so long as their tyres are fresh.”

    Mercedes’ team boss Ross Brawn acknowledged that the “characteristic of the engine has a large influence on the degradation of the tyres”.

    Auto Motor und Sport said Mercedes has “recognised the problem” and is working at full speed to improve its engine torque maps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jas View Post
    not regarding ferrari, but intresting how the engine itself can have an effect on the tyres, nort relating to the exhaust!

    Mercedes engines wearing out Pirelli tyres
    By Editor on Thursday, August 9, 2012


    Photo credit: Mercedes AMG F1

    McLaren, Mercedes and Force India are all struggling with excessive tyre wear this year.

    And according to Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport, the likely culprit is the trio’s common engine supplier.

    “Lotus, Red Bull and Ferrari can make a set of tyres last longer than we can,” said McLaren’s Lewis Hamilton.

    Auto Motor und Sport said one theory doing the rounds is that the superior mid-range power of Mercedes’ V8 engine is wearing the rear Pirelli tyres too much.

    “On the way out of corners, we are able to keep up,” said Sauber’s Sergio Perez. “But then there comes a phase when the Force India can pull away, so long as their tyres are fresh.”

    Mercedes’ team boss Ross Brawn acknowledged that the “characteristic of the engine has a large influence on the degradation of the tyres”.

    Auto Motor und Sport said Mercedes has “recognised the problem” and is working at full speed to improve its engine torque maps.
    Well since the teams have had to select a torque map from the first four races... This is tough

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankAlfa View Post
    @ Scuderiafan,

    Now they must find .6 seconds more.
    Fernando is worth exactly that ;)

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    Spa is more about downforce and top speed, Monza is all about top speed and traction.

    I think that we will be okay in Spa, because we were fast in Silverstone, Monza I don't know really.

    Singapore is a very different track compared to Hungaroring.

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    Singapore is a very different track compared to Hungaroring
    Thats exactly right, remember back on 2010, redbull literally dominated the hungaroring (not including vettels drive through) but when it came to singapore alonso won and ferrari matched redull there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cemz85 View Post
    Thats exactly right, remember back on 2010, redbull literally dominated the hungaroring (not including vettels drive through) but when it came to singapore alonso won and ferrari matched redull there.
    Not to mention that Alonso has more than his usual magic there. :) He goes well in every type of car on that track. Even managed a podium with that horrible Renault R29 (that was the codename to the 2009 car, right? I guess so...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cemz85 View Post
    Thats exactly right, remember back on 2010, redbull literally dominated the hungaroring (not including vettels drive through) but when it came to singapore alonso won and ferrari matched redull there.
    ...yes i guess we kind of matched red bull in pace come Singapore, thanks to Alonso's talent (even though they (red fools) dominated Hungary like you said), but if i remember correctly Alonso said right after the race that Vettel was still quick throughout the WHOLE race in singapore, and that he (alonso) had to do 61 laps of qualifying the whole race, just to keep him behind..

    also alonso had an advantage being on POLE, since it is really hard to pass in singapore...

    anyways, i'm just hoping that the update bits that Fry was talking about in the latest interview will really work for Spa as well as the package for Monza will be OK too..

    he also said that the wind tunnel is busy with work towards the singapore race; hopefully a BIG package to get us and match our competitor's pace, and better yet, BE FASTER THEN THEM!!!
    So 2023 started off bad, but managed to claw back some lap time come end of the year. Lets hope SF24 will give us tifosi something to smile about.

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    Pitpass has a story about the abcense of Ascanelli the past 2 races from the Toro Rosso pit.
    Its speculated (rumor) that he may be on his way back to Ferrari...
    Anyone know if this story has anything to it?

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    Since the preseason testing everyone is speaking about BIG update coming... Actually when, if such exist, it will be finally introduced?

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    Spain was the big update?
    Forza Ferrari

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    And Canada. Why do 'pessimists' have to straight up lie to get their point across? I have seen it a lot in the couple of years.
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    I think we have had a few "Major Updates" already. Now Ferrari will have some packages "Taylored" to specific race tracks which are High Speed tracks. Spa & Monza are the tracks in question. Ferrari will have a very specific "Update" to the car to meet the demands of those race. After that, I think we will see a big package fron the team to meet the needs on the Asian race tracks. Ferrari have to find a .6 second "advantage" over its rivals at the moment to be the fastest race car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankAlfa View Post
    I think we have had a few "Major Updates" already. Now Ferrari will have some packages "Taylored" to specific race tracks which are High Speed tracks. Spa & Monza are the tracks in question. Ferrari will have a very specific "Update" to the car to meet the demands of those race. After that, I think we will see a big package fron the team to meet the needs on the Asian race tracks. Ferrari have to find a .6 second "advantage" over its rivals at the moment to be the fastest race car.

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    Spot on. Domenicalli said there will be a significant update for Singapore.

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