Ferrari F2012 Development News Thread

[anuragiyer8989]

We are talking about WINNING the TITLES and not just racing for 2nd or 3rd or 4th place. Big Difference!

Ciao.

Forza Ferrari!!!!

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[XXX132]

You justify your dillusional assumptions all you like. Any team on the grid (bar Red Bull) would trade places with us in a heartbeat to still be in with a chance of the championship. Not bad for a bunch of timid no-hopers.

Take away some good luck and amazing driver, the situation would look very different than p2. Realistically our car is very mediocre.

[Rosso Corsa]

Take away some good luck and amazing driver, the situation would look very different than p2. Realistically our car is very mediocre.

Take away our reliability and a tenth or two and the situation would look very different.

[mark p]

Take away our reliability and a tenth or two and the situation would look very different.

Take away Newey from RB and Ferrari would have won both titles by now. What ifs mean nothing Ferrari can still win a title and if they do they are the best package.

[Grillo]

This time I won't ask about new parts for Brazil, we don't need more new parts. We just need a magic alternator and a very good race from Alonso.

[blaney1977]

Just go for set up and reliability. Rain alternators could be factors

[Tifoso84]

Take away Newey from RB and Ferrari would have won both titles by now. What ifs mean nothing Ferrari can still win a title and if they do they are the best package.

+100000

Well said mate!

[SchumiForza]

Weather for Interlagos...
http://uk.weather.com/weather/10day-Sao-Paulo-BRXX0232

[Senna4Ever]

Hard to understand from Google translation, lol, hopefully someone could give a clearer summary of it.

Sorry that my thank for your explanation comes a bit late due to business reason
I hope you didn't took it as a sign of unthankfulness

" i ferraristi avrebbero trovato le “chiavi” per interpretare con più precisione i dati della galleria del vento e sarebbero state apportate all’ultimo momento delle modifiche al materiale che è stato spedito negli Usa"

"Ferrari finally seem to have found the right "key" to interpretate with more precision the data from the windtunnel, this resulted in the fact, that last minute changes were made, before the upgrades were beiing flown to the USA".

Sorry Rob, didn't want to correct your translation, just wanted to highlight this sentence, it might just be the most important message we've got from Maranello all year, and a significant step forward for next year's car also.

The harder to understand why (especially Alonso) has to struggle all weekend with tire temperature ... Improved in one part (aero) but worsen the issue with the tires ...
I hope it was only because of the specific asphalt of the track.

[Kolin68]

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[anialonso]

We need to solve the tyre warming issues ASAP...

[Klutch]

Weather for Interlagos...
http://uk.weather.com/weather/10day-Sao-Paulo-BRXX0232

May be our only chance.
1) Pole in rainy conditions (ofc if F2012 isn't change SO much) like in Germany/Britain
2) Good start
3) Leading in race (our car is fast in race)
4) Vettel's butthurt on place from 3 to 15
5) His (her?) moans and mistake
6) ???
7) PROFIT!!

[AfterLife]

There are other options that can help Ferrari aerodynamic department.

Eghbal Hamidy is an aerodynamicist that can give a real boost to aerodynamic departement. Please Take a look at this article:
http://jordangp.4mg.com/airapparent.html

What is your opinion?

[Tifoso84]

There are other options that can help Ferrari aerodynamic department.

Eghbal Hamidy is an aerodynamicist that can give a real boost to aerodynamic departement. Please Take a look at this article:
http://jordangp.4mg.com/airapparent.html

What is your opinion?

We already reinforced our aerodynamics department with Loic Bigois. He should be a great help for us in the coming years.

[Ken]

There are other options that can help Ferrari aerodynamic department.

Eghbal Hamidy is an aerodynamicist that can give a real boost to aerodynamic departement. Please Take a look at this article:
http://jordangp.4mg.com/airapparent.html

What is your opinion?

In the article Hamidy says that Ferrari is too heavy in middle management, and that he held the opinion that the structure would not allow fast or efficient progress in development.

I have to say I can see his point and that is possibly why we cannot see rapid and "adventurous" design or developement strategies :-

Eghbal flew to Italy to meet Ross Brawn, Rory Byrne and their aerodynamicist, the Greek Nicholas Tombazis. Hamidy was impressed, particularly with the 50% wind tunnel, but Ferrari appeared to be a team with too much middle layer. “Who are all these people and what are they doing?” he would ask himself on the flights home.Years spent with Patrick Head had taught him that the only way to run an F1 team was through a straight line from the top. Ferrari, it seemed, always had back-up personnel for insurance, preventing them from doing anything drastically wrong. Doing something right, under those circumstances, would be almost impossible.

So maybe he has a point and holding that opinion I doubt we will see him at Ferrari.

[gjoko-mkd]

I have one idea how can get the tyres warm up,with the electrical power(somewhere I`ve founded similar with McLrn one)

first to do is to install the electromagnetic coil(I hope this is the right word) behind the break disks,and conduct the electricity into the coil,who will produce " eddy current" into the rims(there ere made from aluminium),and product from this will be heating the rims,and normally tires too




once again sorry for my not so god English

[albert]

So its been confirmed Alonso ran the new diffuser while Massa ran the older one from abu duabi. I doubt its a co incidence that massa has suddenly been faster than Alonso in a few races since they started slapping on new updates for Alonso in desperation. They need to go back to the older parts and stop slowing him down.

[Prish_94]

What is the engine situation after Austin? To me it looked like Alonso was saving his engine in the last race but it could just be me.

[medeni73]

So its been confirmed Alonso ran the new diffuser while Massa ran the older one from abu duabi. I doubt its a co incidence that massa has suddenly been faster than Alonso in a few races since they started slapping on new updates for Alonso in desperation. They need to go back to the older parts and stop slowing him down.

Someone wrote elsewhere that Domenicalli supposedly said one of spanish journalist off the record that the new diffusor didnt work and that they will revert it to the old one...

[Senna4Ever]

Someone wrote elsewhere that Domenicalli supposedly said one of spanish journalist off the record that the new diffusor didnt work and that they will revert it to the old one...

Same information from a german motorsports internet portal.
Alonso took the new version of the diffusor which was generally proofed by wind tunnel and straight ahead test but worked not as expected in Austin for whatever reason?!
Massa himself explained that he had the exact same car as Alonso this weekend only difference was that he took old diffusor ...

Link (available in german)

[AfterLife]

In the article Hamidy says that Ferrari is too heavy in middle management, and that he held the opinion that the structure would not allow fast or efficient progress in development.

I have to say I can see his point and that is possibly why we cannot see rapid and "adventurous" design or developement strategies :-

So maybe he has a point and holding that opinion I doubt we will see him at Ferrari.

It is down to Ferrari to make environment a little bit more comfortable for designers like him, but as Tifoso84 said having Loic Bigois in our aerodynamic department would help Ferrari a lot but is he really enough? Except Loic Bigois and Pat Fry we haven't seen any changes in our aero department.

[Hornet]

I don't claim to know exactly what's going on in Ferrari back at the factory, but since Pat Fry joined Ferrari, we had some changes which I felt we should have done earlier. One of the main changes is switching to pull rod suspension. Last year we were I think one out of 2 teams still using push rod.

While this season hasn't been exactly strong for us, its our first season with pull rod, while RB and McLaren have perfected theirs. I'd like to see Ferrari continue developing it, and who knows, might even solve our tire heat problem.

[Silent Bob]

Funny, I thought at the beginning of the year our car was very good at getting heat into its tires... thought that was one of the reasons it was good in the rain. So what happened.

[FA fan]

Funny, I thought at the beginning of the year our car was very good at getting heat into its tires... thought that was one of the reasons it was good in the rain. So what happened.

Well maybe thinking too much about having top speed,made it worse!! I'm not a technical person,but I can conclude that when you haven't built a car from it's foundation right,your gonna suffer the consequences later on!!

[FA fan]

So its been confirmed Alonso ran the new diffuser while Massa ran the older one from abu duabi. I doubt its a co incidence that massa has suddenly been faster than Alonso in a few races since they started slapping on new updates for Alonso in desperation. They need to go back to the older parts and stop slowing him down.

Exactly,so if it rains get the older specs that were in Malaysia..

[Kolin68]

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[Rob]

Fry: Ferrari 2013 will maintain the suspension pull!
The Red Horse has promoted the solution of the F2012, but he never believed in the Super DRS
November 20, 2012 18:51

Ferrari will not repudiate the front suspension pull rod on the car 2013. To admit it was Pat Fry, technical director of the team of the Prancing Horse, in a meeting with journalists. British engineer has defended an interesting solution introduced with courage on the F2012 and other teams such as McLaren and Lotus, have not ruled out that they can be seen on the car next year. INSISTS FRY WITH PULL ROD FRONT The Maranello team, then , could do with a school suspension geometry that had been abandoned for the use of musical high and that is were dominated current year with the obligation to lower the "nose" for the adoption of the famous step between frame and nose. ADVANTAGE AND 'AERODYNAMIC The chief designer for the F2012, the greek Nikolas Tombazis, chose a pattern of suspension that has allowed us to lower the center of gravity, because the shock absorbers and torsion bars are located below, but the true benefit was of aerodynamic nature because the side-port hub of the suspension there is the strut to infulcrarsi between attacks of the lower arms so that the flow of air directed towards the rear speaker is much cleaner and less disrupted. EVOLUTION OF THE CONCEPT specialists have developed Cavallino evolution of the concept which should avoid changes in roadway that have occurred this year on the 2012 F braking, making it more stable behavior of the car in the exploitation of the front tires Pirelli. REFUSED 'USE OF SUPER DRS Pat Fry also said he regretted not also have not developed the F2012 Double DRS: the solution was examined by aerodynamic engineers at Maranello, but has never been implemented and tested on Red. MERCEDES AND LOTUS disappointed Mercedes and Lotus have invested time and resources in this technical solution and have never gained much from the system that is complicated to set up, while Red Bull Racing is able to integrate the package found in the RB8, without has become a decisive factor in winning performance of Sebastian Vettel. The Super DRS is activated by opening the wing cabinet will be banned in 2013, while the FIA authorize passive systems.

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/234...a-il-super-drs

[FA fan]

In the article Hamidy says that Ferrari is too heavy in middle management, and that he held the opinion that the structure would not allow fast or efficient progress in development.

I have to say I can see his point and that is possibly why we cannot see rapid and "adventurous" design or developement strategies :-

Agree with you Ken,and that's why Newey didn't sign with Ferrari when he left mclaren!! For sure it wasn't about the money,cuz Ferrari can match any team and more!!


So maybe he has a point and holding that opinion I doubt we will see him at Ferrari.

[Kiwi Nick]

So to summarize, Ferrari's updates are hit-and-miss. The emgineers, with the help of CFD and wind tunnels, produce new designs by trial and error. Where is the leadership?

[XXX132]

If he was meeting with Brawn I guess it was a more than a few years ago....