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    Quote Originally Posted by NJB13 View Post
    £12 doesn't go far! Wow, that would cover, for two people, a meal and 4 drinks each over here!

    You need to sharpen up your choice of friends
    You'd be lucky to get 4 beers for £12 in th uk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    Think it's a massive mistake to spilt the coverage, all races at least should be live on the BBC and they should have let Sky have all races in HD and practice and qualifying. It's not so bad for some like myself if I did get Sky Sports because then I could watch loads of football as well as F1, but for the F1 fan that just wants to watch races then it's a terrible price to pay just to watch 9 or so F1 races, ideally Sky should offer a F1 season pass or something, so you can only watch F1 broadcasts for a fixed yearly fee rather than asking people to fork out every month, which might make it a little more affordable to those already with Sky.
    That would be ideal. Aside from motorsport there is not one thing on Sky Sports I would watch. I don't watch football, rugby, cricket or boxing and I most certainly don't watch golf as I see enough of Rory McIlroy's annoying face on local TV already thanks very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJB13 View Post
    £12 doesn't go far! Wow, that would cover, for two people, a meal and 4 drinks each over here!

    You need to sharpen up your choice of friends
    http://www.pintprice.com/region.php?/United%20Kingdom/

    Average price of a Pint in the UK

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    My friends are not Celebrity's and we do not drink in VIP clubs, these are standard, run of the mill prices before you even order any food

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelstallions View Post
    http://www.pintprice.com/region.php?/United%20Kingdom/

    Quote Originally Posted by steelstallions View Post
    Average price of a Pint in the UK

    Aberdeen £3.25 GBP
    Airdrie £2.6 GBP
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    Wrexham £3 GBP
    Yaverland £3.2 GBP
    York £4.25 GBP
    That's before you order any food
    I think you and I should go and check a pint at every place on your list - in the interest of accuracy

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    Where on earth is Whaddon? £5.10 for a PINT?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJB13 View Post
    I think you and I should go and check a pint at every place on your list - in the interest of accuracy
    That sounds like a great idea!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzie View Post
    Where on earth is Whaddon? £5.10 for a PINT?!
    Guildford £6.9 GBP


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    Quote Originally Posted by steelstallions View Post
    Please point me in the direction of the £2.35 pint in Cardiff. Local pub (in my village not the big lights of the 'Diff) cheapest is £2.60 a pint and that's for the local ale that has to travel a whole 2 miles doen the road. Your looking at £3.00 for a pint of cooking lager (Carling water) and £3.15 for a Guinness/Kronenberg/Cider.

    The only place in town I cna think of with prices of £2.35 a pint is wetherspoons, great if you want to share the establishment with people who think it is acceptable to not leave their seat before urinating and are shaking that much they spill half their pint whil trying to drink it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    ...ideally Sky should offer a F1 season pass or something, so you can only watch F1 broadcasts for a fixed yearly fee...
    Brilliant idea!! Who do we petition??
    Quote Originally Posted by steelstallions View Post
    ...lets set up a permanent thread with links to the best live feeds when SKY have the GP for that weekend...
    Another brilliant idea!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Cavallino Rosso View Post
    You'd be lucky to get 4 beers for £12 in th uk
    You can get three up here, in Toronto; but, at 8:00 in the a.m.?? I'll pass!!

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    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93564

    Sky/BBC deal 'saved free-to-air' F1 coverage in UK
    By Jonathan Noble Sunday, July 31st 2011, 11:36 GMT

    Williams chairman Adam Parr believes Bernie Ecclestone did the right thing in putting together that BBC/Sky shared broadcast deal for next year - because there was a risk of Formula 1 coverage being off free-to-air television entirely.

    While British fans remain angry about the prospect of not being able to watch every race live on the BBC from 2012, Parr says that those unhappy about the move should actually be happy that Ecclestone has managed to keep at least some races on the channel.

    Although sympathetic that fans will feel they are worse off in 2012, Parr says that they must take into consideration that they could have been even worse off if the Sky/BBC share deal had not come together.

    "I can understand why a British fan who has had free non-advert coverage, amazing content, and brilliant presenters will be saying that anything else is going to be less good," explained Parr.

    "I am sorry that the BBC could not carry on doing what they are doing, but they made that decision. I don't think that the fees being charged to the BBC are unreasonable compared to Wimbledon or any other major sports event.

    "I am sympathetic, but to be fair the teams have not had any involvement in this. We don't negotiate these deals, but when Bernie briefed us as a group about this, the universal view was, okay we get it. We understand why you've done it. We see the benefits; we know where you are coming from - fair enough."

    When asked by AUTOSPORT if there was a prospect that F1 could even have been off free-to-air television totally with the BBC unable to continue its current contract, Parr said: "I think that is true. I think Bernie put this deal together to ensure that the fans would have as much of what they have been enjoying as possible."

    He added: "If you are Bernie, and you are looking at the situation where your current partner is stopping – what do you do? I think he has sat back and put together something which is the best that could be done under the circumstances."

    Amid scepticism about claims that the Sky/BBC deal could actually boost viewing figures in the UK, as Ecclestone has argued, a number of sponsors have expressed private concern about the impact the deal could have on the sport's popularity in 2012.

    McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh insisted, however, that he was not too worried about the situation.

    "I don't think there are any [concerns] here. I think that is just speculation," he said when asked if he had any fears of dwindling sponsorship revenue because of smaller viewing figures.

    "At the moment we have to do a careful analysis of it, but the view yesterday was that the viewership would increase as a consequence of the amount of time and coverage that F1 will present – because you have got BBC and Sky competing.

    "You have got deferred coverage as well, and for a lot of grands prix it will frankly probably be better to have it in the UK a few hours later in any case.

    "I think we have to be aware of that. It is important in the UK market that we have as much coverage as possible."

    Oh yes all us dedicated fans much prefer watching deferred coverage over live races

    BTW what happened to the concorde agreement and free to air tv coverage? I do believe ITV and Channel 4 were in the bidding and the BBC and Sky got into bed to prevent another channel taking the coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs.Domenicali View Post
    BTW what happened to the concorde agreement and free to air tv coverage? I do believe ITV and Channel 4 were in the bidding and the BBC and Sky got into bed to prevent another channel taking the coverage.
    I think the Concorde agreement said it had to remain on free to air TV. And it is. If it had gone completely, it would have been breached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ste View Post
    I think the Concorde agreement said it had to remain on free to air TV. And it is. If it had gone completely, it would have been breached.
    It doesn't mean it was the right thing to do or in the best interests of ALL the fans Ste. You may find it difficult to comprehend what the fuss is about because you can easily afford a SKY subcription, yet there are ALOT of fans who are not in that priviledged position and ALOT of them don't feel 10 live races and the rest deferred highlights is an adequate package considering the TV license fees they pay to the BBC. Yes it is better than no coverage at all, but what people are annoyed about is they have faithfully paid their TV licenses towards the cost of having live F1 on their TV and have been sold out by the BBC, Bernie and FOM when another Free-to-air package was turned down in favour of pay-to-view. Enjoy your SKY coverage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs.Domenicali View Post
    It doesn't mean it was the right thing to do or in the best interests of ALL the fans Ste. You may find it difficult to comprehend what the fuss is about because you can easily afford a SKY subcription, yet there are ALOT of fans who are not in that priviledged position and ALOT of them don't feel 10 live races and the rest deferred highlights is an adequate package considering the TV license fees they pay to the BBC. Yes it is better than no coverage at all, but what people are annoyed about is they have faithfully paid their TV licenses towards the cost of having live F1 on their TV and have been sold out by the BBC, Bernie and FOM when another Free-to-air package was turned down in favour of pay-to-view. Enjoy your SKY coverage
    I think you replied to the wrong post?

    You asked what happened to the concorde agreement, so I answered. I didn't realise I had mentioned anything else.

    I don't know where you get the idea that I can 'easily afford' a Sky subscription. Fact is, I can't.

    I hope you enjoyed your shouting and patronising post none the less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs.Domenicali View Post
    It doesn't mean it was the right thing to do or in the best interests of ALL the fans Ste. You may find it difficult to comprehend what the fuss is about because you can easily afford a SKY subcription, yet there are ALOT of fans who are not in that priviledged position and ALOT of them don't feel 10 live races and the rest deferred highlights is an adequate package considering the TV license fees they pay to the BBC. Yes it is better than no coverage at all, but what people are annoyed about is they have faithfully paid their TV licenses towards the cost of having live F1 on their TV and have been sold out by the BBC, Bernie and FOM when another Free-to-air package was turned down in favour of pay-to-view. Enjoy your SKY coverage
    Ste didnt mention anything about the costs in his post. You asked about the concorde agreement,he answered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ste View Post
    I think you replied to the wrong post?

    You asked what happened to the concorde agreement, so I answered. I didn't realise I had mentioned anything else.

    I don't know where you get the idea that I can 'easily afford' a Sky subscription. Fact is, I can't.

    I hope you enjoyed your shouting and patronising post none the less.
    Sorry where was I shouting? - I was emphasizing that the deal with SKY and BBC was not in the interest of all fans, I don't think by putting ALL in capitals means I was shouting at you. I don't think this deal is a good deal for the fans I really don't and I'm not just including myself in that situation. I got the impression that you would find it easy to pay for SKY subscription from your comment that most people could find the money to pay for it if they really wanted. That simply isn't the case for alot of people and it doesn't mean they are casual fans or don't care about the sport if they can't find the money to do it. Which was the impression you gave earlier in the thread if I remember correctly. By the way it wasn't my intention to be patronising so I apologise if that is how the post came across. I am just very annoyed about this whole subject and perhaps that came across as being at you in my post.

    As for Hayley - sorry I wasn't aware I was discussing the subject with you.
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    I think money is just a very emotive subject and this is one of the contributing factors of why there HAS been such a furore over this deal.
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    Just wondering, what's the situation in Ireland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrarichamp View Post
    Just wondering, what's the situation in Ireland?
    I'm not sure what channel shows F1 in the Republic of Ireland - I think RTE used to show F1 in the 1990s.
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    well if it stays on free-to-air in Rep. of Ireland, can UK residents view it that way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzie View Post
    I think money is just a very emotive subject and this is one of the contributing factors of why there HAS been such a furore over this deal.
    Your not wrong Suzie, in effect the deal is creating a two-tier system for the fans, those who can afford and those who cannot. What concerns me is where does it end? it may start out be 10 grand prixs live and the rest deferred, but given that the BBC has already backed out on their contract to AIR the whole season until 2013, what is to stop them from giving up the rights completely and F1 in the UK becoming completely pay-to-view once the concorde agreement expires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrarichamp View Post
    well if it stays on free-to-air in Rep. of Ireland, can UK residents view it that way?
    Just checked and it's shown on Setanta Ireland. No idea how to get that in the UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzie View Post
    Just checked and it's shown on Setanta Ireland. No idea how to get that in the UK.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs.Domenicali View Post
    Your not wrong Suzie, in effect the deal is creating a two-tier system for the fans, those who can afford and those who cannot. What concerns me is where does it end? it may start out be 10 grand prixs live and the rest deferred, but given that the BBC has already backed out on their contract to AIR the whole season until 2013, what is to stop them from giving up the rights completely and F1 in the UK becoming completely pay-to-view once the concorde agreement expires?
    Welcome to the world of an F1 fan in the US. We already have to pay extra to get SPEED, and four races a year are shown tape delay. Plus they are chopped to pieces by commercials. That's why I'm such a fan of streaming. Sometimes FOM starts shutting down the BBC streams so I've watched everything from an Irish stream feed, to Polish, Italian and even Chinese, or what I think was Chinese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs.Domenicali View Post
    As for Hayley - sorry I wasn't aware I was discussing the subject with you.
    Sorry,silly me thought you were discussing it on a public forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Alonso View Post
    Sorry,silly me thought you were discussing it on a public forum!
    And where in the thread were you discussing the subject at hand?

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    Ok here is my two penneth....

    I think the announcement has put a lot of people in a very difficult position but there is always a way. My first concerns were for what presentation/commentary teams we will get rather than costs and I am by no means loaded. Not getting Sky did not even enter my head as an option.

    I definitely think it is a case of priorities,and for me F1 comes right after the essentials. I would rather do without something else so I can afford to watch on Sky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Alonso View Post
    Ok here is my two penneth....

    I think the announcement has put a lot of people in a very difficult position but there is always a way. My first concerns were for what presentation/commentary teams we will get rather than costs and I am by no means loaded. Not getting Sky did not even enter my head as an option.

    I definitely think it is a case of priorities,and for me F1 comes right after the essentials. I would rather do without something else so I can afford to watch on Sky.
    For me my money only just covers the essentials, I don't physically have anymore money. I will watch what is available for me to on the BBC and try and get to sports bars to see the rest. I hope that doesn't make me less of a fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs.Domenicali View Post
    Sorry where was I shouting? - I was emphasizing that the deal with SKY and BBC was not in the interest of all fans, I don't think by putting ALL in capitals means I was shouting at you. I don't think this deal is a good deal for the fans I really don't and I'm not just including myself in that situation. I got the impression that you would find it easy to pay for SKY subscription from your comment that most people could find the money to pay for it if they really wanted. That simply isn't the case for alot of people and it doesn't mean they are casual fans or don't care about the sport if they can't find the money to do it. Which was the impression you gave earlier in the thread if I remember correctly. By the way it wasn't my intention to be patronising so I apologise if that is how the post came across. I am just very annoyed about this whole subject and perhaps that came across as being at you in my post.

    As for Hayley - sorry I wasn't aware I was discussing the subject with you.
    Writing things in capital letters tends to convey shouting. Being a moderator, I kind of expected you to know that. Especially because you've told people off for it in the past.

    I still think you missed the point of my post - I wasn't even discussing the deal - just the Concorde agreement that you asked about.

    So, how do you even have the front to ask Hayley where she was discussing the topic when you had completely disregarded my post in your reply? Pot kettle black, Miss Moderator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sianellen View Post
    For me my money only just covers the essentials, I don't physically have anymore money. I will watch what is available for me to on the BBC and try and get to sports bars to see the rest. I hope that doesn't make me less of a fan.
    I didnt say you were less of a fan. Or anyone else. I was talking about myself personally. Maybe you can sweettalk your parents into getting Sky and just conveniently pay a visit home on race weekends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ste View Post
    Writing things in capital letters tends to convey shouting. Being a moderator, I kind of expected you to know that. Especially because you've told people off for it in the past.

    I still think you missed the point of my post - I wasn't even discussing the deal - just the Concorde agreement that you asked about.

    So, how do you even have the front to ask Hayley where she was discussing the topic when you had completely disregarded my post in your reply? Pot kettle black, Miss Moderator.
    Pot Kettle indeed Ste

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Alonso View Post
    I didnt say you were less of a fan. Or anyone else. I was talking about myself personally. Maybe you can sweettalk your parents into getting Sky and just conveniently pay a visit home on race weekends?
    no worries I'm just gutted about my situation with it really. My dad wouldn't do it on principle.

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