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Thread: First Barcelona Test 21st-24th Feb 2012 - news and pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by anialonso View Post
    Neither redbull nor mclaren did qualifying runs...
    if they did they would be in 1:20s
    As for ferrari..massa clearly said that they were not chasing the stopwatch..
    That wil be the last thing on any teams mind right now.
    They have to figure out the right setup,reliability,tyre wear,fine tune aero & mechanical components..only then wil they think of doin Low fuel runs...

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    I think you guys are assuming the 2012 cars will be similar to the 2011 cars.... but given the aerodynamic loss from the elimination of the EBD, I'm not sure that's necessarily going to happen?
    Rest in Peace Leza, you were a true warrior...

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    vettels run :
    54 outlap
    55 1:30.801 +7.225
    56 1:29.200 -1.601
    57 1:28.885 -0.315
    58 1:28.861 -0.024
    59 1:29.062 +0.201
    60 1:29.441 +0.379
    61 1:29.530 +0.089
    62 1:31.970 +2.44
    63 1:33.620 +1.65
    64 1:29.830 -3.79
    65 ----

    66 1:29.830
    67 1:28.577 -1.253
    68 1:28.137 -0.44
    69 1:28.377 +0.24
    70 inlap

    71 outlap
    72 1:28.499 +0.122
    73 1:28.658 +0.159
    74 1:28.951 +0.293
    75 1:28.886 -0.065
    76 1:29.081 +0.195
    77 1:29.481 +0.4
    78 1:29.594 +0.113
    Last edited by OSS EL BOSS; 21st February 2012 at 15:07.

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    Alonsos last run:

    57 1:24.498
    58 1:25.269 +0.771
    59 1:25.249 -0.02
    60 1:25.347 +0.098
    61 1:26.597 +1.25
    pit
    63 outlap
    64 1:24.283 -2.314
    65 1:24.897 +0.614
    66 1:25.445 +0.548
    67 1:25.734 +0.289
    68 1:25.901 +0.167
    69 1:28.539 +2.638
    70 1:26.477 -2.062
    71 1:25.722 -0.755
    72 1:25.947 +0.225
    73 1:26.776 +0.829
    74 inlap
    75 practice start.
    Last edited by OSS EL BOSS; 21st February 2012 at 15:11.

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    Hulkenberg:

    82 1:29.859
    83 1:29.310 -0.549
    84 1:28.625 -0.685
    85 1:28.670 +0.045
    86 1:28.770 +0.1
    87 1:29.024 +0.254
    88 1:29.355 +0.331
    89 1:29.417 +0.062
    90 1:29.725 +0.308
    91 1:30.170 +0.445
    92 1:30.249 +0.079
    93 1:30.366 +0.117
    94 ----
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    I think you guys are assuming the 2012 cars will be similar to the 2011 cars.... but given the aerodynamic loss from the elimination of the EBD, I'm not sure that's necessarily going to happen?
    That's true. The lack of EBD is expected to reduce the performance. There are also many factors as Pirelli brings new tires this year, and the teams are trying different new ideas. We won't know if we indeed ends up slower or faster than last year until the first race when we can finally compare the qualifying lap times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OSS EL BOSS View Post
    Alonsos last run:

    57 1:24.498
    58 1:25.269 +0.771
    59 1:25.249 -0.02
    60 1:25.347 +0.098
    61 1:26.597 +1.25
    pit

    Something is happening on the second laps in the stints. Maybe it's those defective aero parts: they get bad on the second lap (lap 58), and then they stay like that for the rest of laps (laps 59 and 60). Then, on lap 61 the tires are the culprit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasar View Post
    Something is happening on the second laps in the stints. Maybe it's those defective aero parts: they get bad on the second lap (lap 58), and then they stay like that for the rest of laps (laps 59 and 60). Then, on lap 61 the tires are the culprit.
    You are not serious here, are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasar View Post
    Something is happening on the second laps in the stints. Maybe it's those defective aero parts: they get bad on the second lap (lap 58), and then they stay like that for the rest of laps (laps 59 and 60). Then, on lap 61 the tires are the culprit.

    or Alonso is monstering tat car with loads of fuel..
    maybe tats the reason its eating up its tires...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    You are not serious here, are you?
    I was being serious. But it was just a guess. I'm not an expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fer12 View Post
    or Alonso is monstering tat car with loads of fuel..
    maybe tats the reason its eating up its tires...
    But then why is lap 57 so fast?

    And in the previous stint it's the same: Lap 42 much more faster than lap 43. Then , for laps 43 to 54 the car is slower, with an exception in laps 49-50.

    I think (and hope!) this will be solved when the new aero parts (the advanced materials issue) are introduced.

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    Last edited by Hombre B; 21st February 2012 at 15:21.

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    I highly doubt the Ferrari is dropping 1.25 seconds due to tires after 5 laps. If the car can't go 5 laps on a set new tires, then lap times are the least of Ferrari's concerns. People need to relax and stop trying to jump to their own conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasar View Post
    But then why is lap 57 so fast?

    And in the previous stint it's the same: Lap 42 much more faster than lap 43. Then , for laps 43 to 54 the car is slower, with an exception in laps 49-50.

    I think (and hope!) this will be solved when the new aero parts (the advanced materials issue) are introduced.

    First lap on fresh tires...
    its the same for al the stints he did today..
    highly doubt the tire situation is so bad tat we only last 7 laps when the temp is so low..

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    Weird looking burnt skin on the merc

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    Just looking closer at the new diffuser we ran today and the slits in the top frame and the gurney over the diffuser. Firstly there are slits that weren't there before. Now, it makes sense to me that you create a different feed to anywhere on the diffuser it would have a different output to create downforce through different pressures and air speeds. Hence my original question about what source could be feeding those slits.

    I also notice that the material seems a little different (colour anyway) of the diffuser frame which now holds the slits. But, it also appears the gurney is very different material (I acknowledge it might just be angle and lighting contributing to this). But still it looks like it is a material that could be better suited to heat. Also, if you look a the gurney it has lost the crimps on the sides at the corners which (I assume) where there to accommodate the gurney angle. But in the new diffuser the gurney appears to be straight which would seem to indicate it is feeding rather than acting strictly as a gurney. One last point, our gurney in Barcelona last year was deemed illegal partly because it had no angle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fer12 View Post
    First lap on fresh tires...
    its the same for al the stints he did today..
    highly doubt the tire situation is so bad tat we only last 7 laps when the temp is so low..
    About the second laps: other teams are not slower on second laps, some are even faster. I mean, these are not Qualy tires...

    About the last lap: yeah, maybe you are right, it seems to be too few laps to be a tire issue..

    BTW, i think nobody here is panicking, just trash talking.. I'm quite sure we are going to solve everything during the Barcelona test. :)

    News: someone has asked joseluisf1 if the f2012 is eating up the tires, and he answers that it is just a matter of fine tunning the Pull Rod suspensions.
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    beautiful:


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    What's that black tab on the side of the rear wing there? Sensor?

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    They have shaped the gurney into an aerofoil shape..
    improves airflow & importantly reduces the intensity of the vortices created..

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    Say what ya like, but taking the nose out of the question, we got the most beautiful car

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    I would go for an ugly and fast car rather than a beautiful one.

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    From certain angles the car is just pure sexy!
    "The client is not always right." - Enzo Ferrari

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose-Lorca Fan View Post
    From certain angles the car is just pure sexy!
    i tend to agree...now we just need to make it FAST....

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    News from joseluisf1. I translated from spanish:

    "In the morning, they tested the new manufactured parts to see if they solved the aero anomalies, with positive outcome."

    "Now the F2012 doesn't suffer from the unexpected/random/intermittent losses of downforce in curves"

    "Later they tested the START SYSTEM, once calibrated, it was better than the one tested in Jerez."

    "The cooling system had some reliability issues, but they were solved. But it's necessary to improve it with higher temps"

    "It was hard to get a right setup, despite the simulator tests. Once achieved, the F2012 started to show it's potential"

    "With the aero anomalies solved, other defeciences emerged. More laps are needed to have data to improve"
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    The more i read about that the more i'm beginning to think that come Melbourne the team will still be busy with fine- tuning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasar View Post
    News from joseluisf1. I translated from spanish:

    "In the morning, they tested the new manufactured parts to see if they solved the aero anomalies, with positive outcome."

    "Now the F2012 doesn't suffer from the unexpected/random/intermittent losses of downforce in curves"

    "Later they tested the pit-lane exit system, once calibrated, it was better than the one tested in Jerez."

    "The cooling system had some reliability issues, but they were solved. But it's necessary to improve it with higher temps"

    "It was hard to get a right setup, despite the simulator tests. Once achieved, the F2012 started to show it's potential"

    "With the aero anomalies solved, other defeciences emerged. More laps are needed to have data to improve"
    Thanks a lot mate, nice to have a spaniard onboard to translate these tweets which often get lost in translation when put through google.
    Keep it up!
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    What is that "pit lane exit" system???

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    joseluisf1: "For English people, 'sistema de salida' = 'Start system' NOT 'Exit', this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EDp8ie3sWA"

    LOL, i'm spanish and i didn't undertand it neither.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasar View Post
    News from joseluisf1. I translated from spanish:

    "In the morning, they tested the new manufactured parts to see if they solved the aero anomalies, with positive outcome."

    "Now the F2012 doesn't suffer from the unexpected/random/intermittent losses of downforce in curves"


    "Later they tested the START SYSTEM, once calibrated, it was better than the one tested in Jerez."

    "The cooling system had some reliability issues, but they were solved. But it's necessary to improve it with higher temps"

    "It was hard to get a right setup, despite the simulator tests. Once achieved, the F2012 started to show it's potential"

    "With the aero anomalies solved, other defeciences emerged. More laps are needed to have data to improve"


    btw, how secretive was that straight line test??? normally, we would know before that they would be doing a straight line test. certainly no spy shots, like on the Merc

    something is going on here...


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