Is Alonso not the best driver on the grid for a reason? Who do you suggest Ferrari hires that can do a better job than Alonso?
It puzzles me that Alonso fans seem to think Massa should be challenging him, while the Massa fans seem quite happy to accept Felipe is not as good in general as Alonso.
If I was an Alonso only fan then I would be using the current situation as more proof as to why Alonso is the best, not using it to suggest Massa is so rubbish it flatters Alonso, and that a Perez could come in and make life hard for Alonso....but that is just me
I don't give two hoots what the media says Alonso fan. If your pride is hurt then awwww . If all you care about is that Fernando is driving for a team that the media are disrespectful to then i'm sorry for your angst. Given that you never address any of the points I made I assume this is the real crux of your hissy fit.
"Luna faccia schiaffo testa"
Don't play dumb with me. I'm better at it than you are.
That's a contradiction. If you really support the team you simply have to support both drivers.
Yes, Fernando is my favourite driver too, but I will always support both drivers because we need both to give Ferrari the title.
Felipe is a great character, a very nice guy, but if he cannot get himself up to a Ferrari-driver level again then yes, he has to leave.
But as long as the team supports him, so will I.
Ferrari: the only car having a heartbeat.
"I'm so proud to race for this team." Felipe Massa, Interlagos 2008
Massa just drops us further behind the WCC... and honestly maybe Ferrari should get a pay driver and make some money if nothing else. I don't know what the actual position of the F2012 is but it is either really really poor or Massa is severely embarrassing himself in it. I prefer to think the second...
we're number one
wow. you really can't say that massa is underperforming on this site before the mods rain down on you like a tonne of bricks.
I think everyone should be able to express their views on all aspects of the team.
Clearly, massa is not performing to the standard which ferrari expects/needs and i assume he is not happy with his performance in the last two years and especially oz. I hope he finds his form once more.
There is no question that massa is a nice guy and in that respect we should not be suprised if he finishes last or dosen't finish at all. This last comment is a joke, it is a laugh or cry situation i prefer the former.
On the flip side if what you say is true then we might as well start concentrating on 2013.
we're number one
1. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari-Ferrari 52 laps 1hr 28m 41.196s
2. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault +00m 16.5s
3. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault +00m 16.9s
4. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes +00m 28.9s
5. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari-Ferrari +00m 29.0s
6. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes-Mercedes +01m 00.6s
7. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari +01m 05.6s
8. Nick Heidfeld Germany Renault-Renault +01m 15.5s
9. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes-Mercedes +01m 17.90s
10. Jaime Alguersuari Spain Toro Rosso-Ferrari +01m 19.10s
It's been one race, in 2008 Massa made mistakes in the opening 2 races, he went on to challenge for the title....
Rubens was great, just lacked that extra bit of a aggression. Then again if Schumey wasn't at Ferrari during the Brazilian's time, then Barrichello would have at least won a couple of WDC in the German's car.
And let's not forget that Byrne designed the cars around Schumacher's driving style.
Other than that, I agree, no shock that Alonso leads Massa. I'm just disappointed that Massa was sharper during the race, and closer to his team mate in 2010, but then again there are other factors like the tyres and etc.
He is not fulfilling the role of a number 2, a very important role at Ferrari throughout history.
I have one question to those who have so valiantly come to the defence of Massa: Are you happy with Massa’s performance in the last 2 years?
I do not support getting rid of him now that would be ridiculous and would not benefit the team in the short term.
The Massa era is sadly coming to an end, I hope it is dignified. I also hope he goes with a smile on his face and a hat full of championship points, but I will not hold my breath on the latter.
Massa himself admits his performances are not what he wants, he was pretty unlucky last year though and terrible pitstops, strategy and Lewis did not help him get much breaks. Ferrari and Massa know it's make or break year and have clearly stated it, everyone knows that, so I expect Ferrari will give him the season, calls to sack him now are just ridiculous, I don't see why any Ferrari fan should take any pleasure from one of our drivers not having a good time, as some on here seem to do.
Another thing that amused me was when Massa went off in practice it was cause he sucked, when Alonso done it in Qual it was cause the car sucked....
To return back to topic Massa had a brilliant start but went backwards very early (before the car entered the low fuel stage that hurt Alonso) so I do not think this characteristic explains Massa’s performance.
The problem is this race is not a one off, even if Massa had mechanical issues this does not explain the last two seasons.
I certainly do not take any pleasure in the situation in fact the opposite.
Bertie ''To return back to topic Massa had a brilliant start but went backwards very early (before the car entered the low fuel stage that hurt Alonso) so I do not think this characteristic explains Massa’s performance.''
Massa was damaged the most because he did not have new tyres like Alonso had!!And we all know Felipe struggles more in that situation.
Are you seriously saying that having a car that cannot currently compete for race wins is the basis for aiming for a WCC?
Come on! We need to fix the car first so that the best driver on the grid can win in it!
Scapegoating Massa has nothing to do with that AT THE MOMENT.
As people keep on saying - if Fernando is qualifying on pole and winning in it and Massa is coming 10th - THEN and only then is this debate worth anything to Ferrari.
It's common sense really.
"Luna faccia schiaffo testa"
And if you look at the races when Alonso won, then Felipe was 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 8th, 3rd, which seems to be ok to me considering Alonso is better.
Hockenheim 2010: 1. Alonso 2. Massa
Monza 2010: 1. Alonso 3. Massa
Korea 2010: 1. Alonso 3. Massa
I think Massa proved your point. Unfortunately his car broke down in Singapore Q1. In fact Alonso was only capable of winning when the car was good enough to get Massa on the podium. A good car is what we need right now.
Last edited by F2008; 19th March 2012 at 22:52.