Bahrain GP 2014 Race Thread

[FranksterGM]

"More right"??? You're simply hilarious! Where exactly does it say that you have more right to be a Ferrari fan than I do??? Jog on lol.

And if you really are a Ferrari fan then talk like a normal person and don't use some street slang by calling Ferrari as "Fazz".

I am Italian friend, it is our national team. are you, or just a hanger on?
Fazz has been used by the written media as a nickname for Ferrari, so cool it.

Man, talk about an uptight bunch.

[Suzie]

Nero Horse, will you calm down a bit please. There's no need to come across as rude. Thanks

[Nero Horse]

I am Italian friend, it is our national team. are you, or just a hanger on?
Fazz has been used by the written media as a nickname for Ferrari, so cool it.

Man, talk about an uptight bunch.

Being an Italian doesn't give you any more right to be a Ferrari fan. What do you think that having Italian heritage gives you somekind of special privileges over other non-Italian Ferrari fans? So you think that you have more right to be a Ferrari fan than all the other people on here who aren't Italian??? Drop that arrogant attitude right now!
Being a Ferrari fan isn't about nationality at all, it's about what you feel in your heart. Being an Italian certainly doesn't make you any more a Ferrari fan than being from any other nationality. I am a Ferrari fan, you are a Ferrari fan (if you say so) and we're all Ferrari fans, and not because of some nationality thing.

[FranksterGM]

Being an Italian doesn't give you any more right to be a Ferrari fan. What do you think that having Italian heritage gives you somekind of special privileges over other non-Italian Ferrari fans? So you think that you have more right to be a Ferrari fan than all the other people on here who aren't Italian??? Drop that arrogant attitude right now!
Being a Ferrari fan isn't about nationality at all, it's about what you feel in your heart. Being an Italian certainly doesn't make you any more a Ferrari fan than being from any other nationality. I am a Ferrari fan, you are a Ferrari fan (if you say so) and we're all Ferrari fans, and not because of some nationality thing.

Well I disagree.
But I hope you feel better now you got that off your chest.

[Nero Horse]

Well I disagree.
But I hope you feel better now you got that off your chest.

I really don't care if you agree or disagree, I know that everybody has equal right to be a Ferrari fan, and not just people with Italian passport or Italian heritage. End of!

[FranksterGM]

I really don't care if you agree or disagree, I know that everybody has equal right to be a Ferrari fan, and not just people with Italian passport or Italian heritage. End of!

Well if you know then that's all that matters to you right?
I just see that certain flag on the front of the cars.

[PadGeT]

I love where this is going.

[stefa]

If this season is a total loss (and I pray to god its not)
Will Fazz fans be happy with 1 win at a minimum?

Given all circumstances I'll be! With that one, for now illustrious win, Ferrari will continue with 20 years of consecutive seasons with at least one win in the season.

[Winter]

It is what it is and crying about it wont help, but one thing I can't stop wondering. Why there had to be that instant engine freeze, after the biggest technology change in history of F1? Was it somehow so unpredictable that one engine will be superior at the beginning of the new era? Arent those FIA guys suppose to make decisions which are good for this sport? All I know is, one engine being this much better than the rest and the rest doesn't even have the chance to close that huge cap due that early freeze is really not good thing for F1. Again, thank you FIA, good job

[erikejw]

Yes. I do agree that it was a questionable thing to do by Luca by leaving like that. I wouldn't be pleased if my boss left earlier than planned regardless of how dire the results are. People will not think highly of you and you will lose respect by doing that. You just don't do that kind of thing. Didn't anyone advise Luca that it isn't a good idea that you leave? If nobody pointed that out to him that suggests there is a culture of fear in Ferrari and if someone did point it out to him it must have been disheartening seeing him leave like that despite being advised to stay. It's in times like this that you come out and show strong leadership not go and crawl behind a rock.

Luca is to smart, to political to do that in puré frustration. He knew IT would be noted.
He knew it would not look good inside Ferrari, but he probably has a reason.

To put some strength behind talks Held behind closed Doors.
He wont sit and smile for the best of the sport.

He will take action and put force behind it.
Talks with Marco, Todt, Bernie.

It was not coincidence he showed up here, Ferraris worst track.
I might go as far as to think Alonsos talk about lising power in qualy.

No. power in the race and the cheering at ninth was DI M in the curtains.

Just speculation but Luca acts for a reason.

[Greig]

It is what it is and crying about it wont help, but one thing I can't stop wondering. Why there had to be that instant engine freeze, after the biggest technology change in history of F1? Was is somehow unpredictable that one engine will be superior at the beginning of the new era? Arent those FIA guys suppose to make decisions which are good for this sport? All I know is, one engine being this much better than the rest and the rest doesn't even have the chance to close that huge cap due that early freeze is really not good thing for F1. Again, thank you FIA, good job

Can't really blame the FIA that we never done a good enough job.

[Winter]

Luca is to smart, to political to do that in puré frustration. He knew IT would be noted.
He knew it would not look good inside Ferrari, but he probably has a reason.

To put some strength behind talks Held behind closed Doors.
He wont sit and smile for the best of the sport.

He will take action and put force behind it.
Talks with Marco, Todt, Bernie.

It was not coincidence he showed up here, Ferraris worst track.
I might go as far as to think Alonsos talk about lising power in qualy.

No. power in the race and the cheering at ninth was DI M in the curtains.

Just speculation but Luca acts for a reason.

I think he left because he didn't want to be answering journos questions after such race.

[brembo man]

While were at it Bahrain was a great race at least 4 teams fighting each other for position including us. And I really enjoy watching Vettel so far. We just need to get up front next race. By the way everyone here should refrain from using words like tifoso, scuderia, amico, Montezumello etc. Luca is ok to use. This is an english speaking forum not Italian ! Fazz e Fazz Io sono un Fazz genuino!

[shamim179]

Luca is to smart, to political to do that in puré frustration. He knew IT would be noted.
He knew it would not look good inside Ferrari, but he probably has a reason.

To put some strength behind talks Held behind closed Doors.
He wont sit and smile for the best of the sport.

He will take action and put force behind it.
Talks with Marco, Todt, Bernie.

It was not coincidence he showed up here, Ferraris worst track.
I might go as far as to think Alonsos talk about lising power in qualy.

No. power in the race and the cheering at ninth was DI M in the curtains.

Just speculation but Luca acts for a reason.

Must say you've got some imagination there!

[Winter]

Can't really blame the FIA that we never done a good enough job.

Yes, rules were known and they were same for all, but still, this kind of situation was not so hard to predict and because it's not good for the sport, it should have been avoided.

[erikejw]

From video in Ferrari garage.

Luca checking his clock:
The clock is ticking.
It is time to leave.

Pointing at SD, smiling and leaving, laughing.

Beneath the surface, your time is out.
SD on the way out?

[shamim179]

Yes, rules were known and they were same for all, but still, this kind of situation was not so hard to predict and because it's not good for the sport, it should have been avoided.

I think every engine manufacturer thought they'd do great better than the rest so if you have an engine freeze you can keep your advantage. Perhaps Ferrari were overconfident here with regards to their ability to build an engine so didn't object or even were in favour of the FIA proposals several years before. A proper kick in the back if you ask me. Maybe we need it to get things going for us for the better.

[Bertie]

Yes, rules were known and they were same for all, but still, this kind of situation was not so hard to predict and because it's not good for the sport, it should have been avoided.

I agree. 3 different manufactures was always going to lead to one PU having an advantage. They froze the engines to cut costs and had a very prescribed wording to limit any advantage. However, we all know that F1 is about finding loop holes so this situation of one PU being superior was inevitable. If we had the best PU we would be happy and others would be complaining. shame it didn't happen that way but even if it did it wouldn't be good for the sport. 1 team dominating makes for a dull championship battle, look at scottish premier league since rangers got demoted. A one horse race is not a race it is a procession.

[Nero Horse]

I agree. 3 different manufactures was always going to lead to one PU having an advantage. They froze the engines to cut costs and had a very prescribed wording to limit any advantage. However, we all know that F1 is about finding loop holes so this situation of one PU being superior was inevitable. If we had the best PU we would be happy and others would be complaining. shame it didn't happen that way but even if it did it wouldn't be good for the sport. 1 team dominating makes for a dull championship battle, look at scottish premier league since rangers got demoted. A one horse race is not a race it is a procession.

Yea, but if we would have the best PU then we'd be winning and that's all that would really matter to me. I'd be saying "catch us if you can".

Hopefully someday soon we'll be able to say exactly that.

[Kiwi Nick]

While were at it Bahrain was a great race at least 4 teams fighting each other for position including us.

If we're being honest, we should thank that avowed socialist Pastor Maldonado for creating a great race. Had he not speared Gutierrez and brought the safety car out it would have been a rather boring finish.

[Winter]

Yea, but if we would have the best PU then we'd be winning and that's all that would really matter to me. I'd be saying "catch us if you can".

Hopefully someday soon we'll be able to say exactly that.

But that was my point, rules just make it impossible to catch anybody who has engine from another world.

[Nero Horse]

But that was my point, rules just make it impossible to catch anybody who has engine from another world.

All engine manufacturers can still put updates on their engines in order to try to improve the performance, but they just have to prove to FIA that it also improves reliability or fuel consumption...at least that's what Martin Brundle said on Sky. So this homologation rule doesn't mean that the engine manufacturers can't improve their engine's performance at all anymore, they can, but they just have to be clever about it. So there is still hope that we can make our PU better during this season.

[The Hajj]

I think you have all seen this:

http://www.slideshare.net/apanitsch/...nt-rowing-race

GrndLkNatv,

You are close to the team, and I know you cannot share a lot of information, but is there anything you can add to this discussion concerning the plausibility of Ferrari making substantial progress this season?

What is your opinion on the current situation and where do you think the major problems exist?

Thanks for your great input.

[Winter]

All engine manufacturers can still put updates on their engines in order to try to improve the performance, but they just have to prove to FIA that it also improves reliability or fuel consumption...at least that's what Martin Brundle said on Sky. So this homologation rule doesn't mean that the engine manufacturers can't improve their engine's performance at all anymore, they can, but they just have to be clever about it. So there is still hope that we can make our PU better during this season.

Getting more power with same amount of fuel is also improving fuel consumption, so they can make changes to the engine as long the change doesn't make the engine more thirsty and same time makes it more powerfull? Thats the first time I hear about this, are you sure?

[Nero Horse]

Getting more power with same amount of fuel is also improving fuel consumption, so they can make changes to the engine as long the change doesn't make the engine more thirsty and same time makes it more powerfull? Thats the first time I hear about this, are you sure?

Yes, I'm sure. Even in previous years when the homologation rule was in place for the V8 engines the engine manufacturers could still improve their engines by bringing new updates on them, to make them more reliable and less thirsty. Martin Brundle said that the engine manufacturers will always try to find new clever ways to enhance their engine's performance and to bypass the homologation rule, but they just need to find a way to explain FIA that this new update will also improve reliability and/or fuel consumption.

[Winter]

Yes, I'm sure. Even in previous years when the homologation rule was in place for the V8 engines the engine manufacturers could still improve their engines by bringing new updates on them, to make them more reliable and less thirsty. Martin Brundle said that the engine manufacturers will always try to find new clever ways to enhance their engine's performance and to bypass the homologation rule, but they just need to find a way to explain FIA that this new update will also improve reliability and/or fuel consumption.

I thought any changes to the engine needs approval from other teams in addition of FIA approval. Not the case?

[brembo man]

If we're being honest, we should thank that avowed socialist Pastor Maldonado for creating a great race. Had he not speared Gutierrez and brought the safety car out it would have been a rather boring finish.

Well I was so relieved to see the boy jump out of his car! That was a horrible crash. Man those F1 cars are about as safe as they can possibly be. I just can't help enjoying the competition between teamates. Well we all knew it was Mec at the end , but even they were into it at the end what with Nico on the better tires. Watching Vettel's teamate whop him is as good as it gets for me. We just need to get on the podium and F1 will be back to 5 ***** for me.

[Bertie]

Yea, but if we would have the best PU then we'd be winning and that's all that would really matter to me. I'd be saying "catch us if you can".

Hopefully someday soon we'll be able to say exactly that.

The point is with engine freeze its "catch us if the rules allow" which they don't. Yes it would of been good for us but not the sport, similar to the golden schumi years.

[Greig]

GrndLkNatv,

You are close to the team, and I know you cannot share a lot of information, but is there anything you can add to this discussion concerning the plausibility of Ferrari making substantial progress this season?

What is your opinion on the current situation and where do you think the major problems exist?

Thanks for your great input.

Considering he told us we have no issue with the engine or PU then really any info he gives is not going to be worth a lot.

[Ferrarichamp]

is anyone here 'close to the team'?