Last edited by hrc5555; 1st September 2016 at 20:28.
As Vettel is saying, it looks like Max has nothing to do with first corner accident, it was Vettels misjudgement.
Kimi is again robbed for podium by his teammate!
Where are Greig and Rob, I would like to hear their comment for our "crash kid"?
Cultural differences. Vettel apologizing to Raikonnen by no means is a signal which should be interpreted (as Anglo erroneously do) that he is accepting responsibility for the incident. It simply means, I am sorry this happened (whether it was, or wasn't my fault). I recall many years ago an incident with Kubica, when Vettel apologized to the team that he was associated with something Kubica (in RBR and mine as well opinions) instigated. Pole and his fans however interpreted in very self-serving manner Vettel's apology as an admission of guilt, which of course was lacking any sensitivity how a different culture expressing itself in such situation.
Vettel, if he would feel responsible, he would say so explicitly, and without ambiguity. One would know that right away, however this is not what happened here. My personal view is, that he has nothing to apologize. Not to team, not to Raikonnen, and definitely not to MV. I take it that he was just as victim as Kimi is. All in all I am quite happy that Monza is here, and we get to talk about something else.
Monza will not solve the problem that we have highly rated and really expensive driver who is not performing, it is the only thing what is bothering me! And dont start again with bad luck, this is not a bad luck, these are mistakes from four time world champion (a lots of mistakes!!)
Regardless of what he said..seb took a wider line compared to nico who was ahead,there was clearly space for one and a half car on the inside iline...(check the onboard video from vettels car) and ofcourse he s supposed to apologize ..other wise he would look like a douche... cause cleary to us that even looked like vettel crashed into kimi on purpose...but thats not the case...and then again this all happend in a couple of milliseconds ..or are they supposed stop their car and think deeply and come to a decision before committing to a corner ??
I wonder why Seb has been so grumpy on the team radio..
Ain't gonna lie, we got the least cheerful duo when it comes to team radio Would guess Seb got the swearing from Kimi.
In all seriousness, i don't really think anything is wrong. The car is in a no mans land in some tracks and a tad behind RedBull in others. Not to mention the gearbox problems. Think the characteristics of the car make it look like a struggle for the drivers, as it doesn't really have strengths, just all around 'decent'. When it's a fast track, Mercs dominate. When it's a high DF track, the RedBull manage to challenge the Mercs leaving us quite behind.
We just don't have our windows of opportunities that shine a ray of light on the season, like we had last year.
What is going on with Sebastian Vettel??
Is this counting for bad luck too?
So of to Japan and Seb starting off with a 3 place grid penalty & a2pt. penalty to boot ! I guess it's GO Kimi !!! His bad luck this season is second only to Lewis in spite of the fact he's probably going to WDC anyway. There's 8 cars on the track with Merc engines and Lewis' blows up?
I said at the time, he is simply not in the same class as Alonso. The team has let him down yes, but also he has been disappointing.
But people should also remember he was picked up from Red Bull after getting an absolute caning from Ricciardo. Now I'm not saying that is Vettel at his peak, but its not uncommon for him to be vastly inconsistent. Even in his Red Bull years he was never doing as good of a job as Alonso did in inferior machinery. So i'm not especially surprised.
Now i'm not saying he's a bad choice, he was the best choice available assuming Alonso wanted out. But I can't held but feel the driver swap has been one of many elements in Ferrari's struggles this year. Ferrari had arguably the most competitive car we've seen in a decade in 2015/2016, I would have loved to see Fernando driving it. He's wasted at McLaren.
1. "Even in his Red Bull years he was never doing as good of a job as Alonso did in inferior machinery."
As Tifosi, it was easy to think Seb was only as good as his car when he was at Red Bull running away with all those titles. Is there data that indicates a pattern of his inconsistency? Did we ever have a chance to see him in an inferior Red Bull long enough to conclude he does not do well without a good car?
2. "But people should also remember he was picked up from Red Bull after getting an absolute caning from Ricciardo."
I am not sure how him getting beat by Daniel in 2014 has anything to do with his performance now. By this logic, Daniel should be struggling this season and Ferrari would have ended up signing Kvyat.
He may be a bit overrated. I don't think he's a has been. I'd say his current performances are as strong as his previous.
I would say in the years that Red Bull only had a moderate advantage, instead of a supreme advantage, 2010 and 2012, Alonso got very close.
Also, while Kvyat did get close to Ricciardo in 2015, it was nothing at all like 2014 in which was a huge beating of over 70 points.
Vettel is a good driver when you put him in a situation that he has the best car, can qualify well and doesn't face much challenge. But he clearly gets frustrated. He's spent his entire time in F1 mostly in cars capable of either pole or the front row. Starting on row 3 behind other cars and you can see the frustration building, which has resulted a lot of desperation in his driving this year.
The thing is were is the light at the end of the tunnel for him? Ferrari seems more in a rebuilding period to me than ready to emerge at the front.
Team Ferrari was and is Seb's F1 dream come true ! Unfortunately gearboxes and all the other car probs. turned the dream into a nightmare. I do believe all those pole starts he was blessed with in a top car at the time made each race a Sunday Drive. I believe Seb's got what it takes to a winner, he just needs a car that got what it takes to get him there, especially pole pos.
Vettel wants to do what Schumi did with Ferrari, while Schumi had Todt and Vettel has Arrivabene, Schumi had Brawn, Vettel has nobody in that department.
Like I said, I'd put a known benchmark in the second seat next to Vettel. Kimi's form is to up and down.
"If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve