Scuderia Ferrari SF70H

[mizf1]

so this is what the famous Adrian Newey had to say about the SF70-H:

The only comments that have been made about Ferrari's 2017 challenger has come from their rivals such as Red Bull's Adrian Newey.

He said on Monday: "The Mercedes looks very sophisticated. As for Ferrari, I do not quite understand the area of the sidepods, which look very complicated to me."

so if EVEN the master Newey can't make the complicated Ferrari side pods....well, let's hope Ferrari have done an AWESOME job if he was taken by surprise.....

we'll see in a few weeks time in Q3 in OZ how good the Ferrari stacks up against the competition.

If Newey cant understand our sidepods then kudos to our engineers for being bold and brave and being aggressive.

[JPBD]

I think this is a jab at Ferrari, to be honest. But I agree! Kudos to Ferrari for being brave enough to try something.

The Redbull is their blank canvass. Expect pieces to arrive later. I think this is a great approach, as it will give them a starting point and direct comparison for every new part and it's benefit. Ferrari's sidepods are so complex - if we swap or change one thing it could have such a large flow on effect further down the car. Should we need to, it will be much harder to determine the benefit of each of those pieces independently, which is why I believe Redbull have done what they've done.

[Imperatore]

It's typical anti-Ferrari/Italian english media that is saying this stuff but i have heard a lot of compliments so far from them. The truth is no one knows anything as testing doesn't mean much but so far the Ferrari looks pretty good to my eyes anyway. Hopefully in Melbourne they will be close or ahead of the Mrecs.

[mizf1]

This is the only time I want Ferrari to have correlation issues, when real life results are better then what is predicted

Marchionne: ', “The new Ferrari SF70H, is more powerful than we expected, I’m happy, from what I’ve seen, the forecasts we had done have been met.”y

http://www.grandprix247.com/2017/02/...-step-forward/

[abbottcostello]

It's typical anti-Ferrari/Italian english media that is saying this stuff but i have heard a lot of compliments so far from them. The truth is no one knows anything as testing doesn't mean much but so far the Ferrari looks pretty good to my eyes anyway. Hopefully in Melbourne they will be close or ahead of the Mrecs.

Definitely Newey taking a shot, more than likely it was meant for the team to hear, trying to get in their head. This is what RB is always fond of doing.

[uvaman]

This is the only time I want Ferrari to have correlation issues, when real life results are better then what is predicted

Marchionne: ', “The new Ferrari SF70H, is more powerful than we expected, I’m happy, from what I’ve seen, the forecasts we had done have been met.”y

http://www.grandprix247.com/2017/02/...-step-forward/

Real question is can we keep that way whole year... if we can
I don't expect much from Ferrari, only thing is to be brave, bold, and go where no man has gone before!
We just need propper strategy this year and consistency and I would be thrilled!

[Scuderia1967]

I heard that is was because Ferrari couldn't give them enough concrete details about the engine because of the large scope of development, and due to the large rule changes, Sauber want to get on with their car, and not be delayed because of engine uncertainties. The 2016 PU is a known quantity.

Sorry don't have a link to where I read that, it was a while ago...

Not true at all. Like I said, they decided to use the 2016 engine, and use the money to develop the car instead

[Scuderia1967]

so this is what the famous Adrian Newey had to say about the SF70-H:

The only comments that have been made about Ferrari's 2017 challenger has come from their rivals such as Red Bull's Adrian Newey.

He said on Monday: "The Mercedes looks very sophisticated. As for Ferrari, I do not quite understand the area of the sidepods, which look very complicated to me."

so if EVEN the master Newey can't make the complicated Ferrari side pods....well, let's hope Ferrari have done an AWESOME job if he was taken by surprise.....

we'll see in a few weeks time in Q3 in OZ how good the Ferrari stacks up against the competition.

Translation: "Those Ferrari sidepods look magnificent! How the Hell didn't I think about it first?"

[jgonzalesm6]

Ferrari's pace nearly on par with Mercedes - Steiner Mar. 1, 2017

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...teiner-878329/

[fmatiasii]

Translation: "Those Ferrari sidepods look magnificent! How the Hell didn't I think about it first?"

[jgonzalesm6]

Luca di Montezemolo: 'Ferrari's 2017 approach risky' Mar. 1, 2017

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/formula-...ky_292803.html

[mizf1]

Luca di Montezemolo: 'Ferrari's 2017 approach risky' Mar. 1, 2017

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/formula-...ky_292803.html

Better taking risks then being conservative. I mean how has that worked for us in recent years

[fmatiasii]

Luca di Montezemolo: 'Ferrari's 2017 approach risky' Mar. 1, 2017

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/formula-...ky_292803.html

is he bitter?

[Scuderia1967]

Better taking risks then being conservative. I mean how has that worked for us in recent years

Am I the only one noticing some bitterness in Luca's recent comments?

[mizf1]

Translation: "Those Ferrari sidepods look magnificent! How the Hell didn't I think about it first?"

[jgonzalesm6]

Am I the only one noticing some bitterness in Luca's recent comments?

Of course, now that he's retired......

[fmatiasii]

bitter and old.

[vetalo]

10:19 Mario Andretti used to say that the ground effect Lotus 79 was painted to the ground. Well, exiting Turn 2 and into Turn 3, where I am watching, both the Mercedes and the Ferrari look like they are painted to the ground. But, to me, Ferrari has used a better undercoat. It really does look good and super consistent.
Gary Anderson

[mizf1]

10:19 Mario Andretti used to say that the ground effect Lotus 79 was painted to the ground. Well, exiting Turn 2 and into Turn 3, where I am watching, both the Mercedes and the Ferrari look like they are painted to the ground. But, to me, Ferrari has used a better undercoat. It really does look good and super consistent.
Gary Anderson

If Gary Anderson is saying this then must be something, this is the guy who will find issues with everything at Ferrari

[jragona]

so this is what the famous Adrian Newey had to say about the SF70-H:

The only comments that have been made about Ferrari's 2017 challenger has come from their rivals such as Red Bull's Adrian Newey.

He said on Monday: "The Mercedes looks very sophisticated. As for Ferrari, I do not quite understand the area of the sidepods, which look very complicated to me."

so if EVEN the master Newey can't make the complicated Ferrari side pods....well, let's hope Ferrari have done an AWESOME job if he was taken by surprise.....

we'll see in a few weeks time in Q3 in OZ how good the Ferrari stacks up against the competition.

To me that says, Newey doesn't get it... Ferrari may be one step ahead

[vetalo]

14:51 Watching Vettel through Turn 1-3 is definitely my 'wow' factor of the day. The Ferrari is just planted and, even on used tyres, it doesn't budge one millimetre off line.
Gary Anderson

[S1000RR]

14:51 Watching Vettel through Turn 1-3 is definitely my 'wow' factor of the day. The Ferrari is just planted and, even on used tyres, it doesn't budge one millimetre off line.
Gary Anderson

Never seen so many credits from a non Ferrari guy. Whats going on

[vetalo]

Never seen so many credits from a non Ferrari guy. Whats going on

I am glad he is a man enough to do this i wish Skysports UK will do the same. I see Ferrari at low 1.18 second by the end to next week testing. and I am glad other teams can't easily copy our design as alluded by Gary Anderson himself. I am hoping will do a 'Brawn' this year

[mizf1]

I am glad he is a man enough to do this i wish Skysports UK will do the same. I see Ferrari at low 1.18 second by the end to next week testing. and I am glad other teams can't easily copy our design as alluded by Gary Anderson himself. I am hoping will do a 'Brawn' this year

Can anyone copy and paste that article about others can't easily copy our design.

Thanks

[SilverSpeed]

Can anyone copy and paste that article about others can't easily copy our design.

Thanks

2nd that please.

[gvera]

Why Ferrari's 2017 ideas could be hard to copy

Ferrari has bucked tradition with its 2017 F1 car, opting against either sticking to its conventional ideas or trying to copy its rivals. If it works, the rest of the field could struggle to catch up
By Gary Anderson Published on Friday February 24th

For Ferrari, 2017 is a very important year and appropriately enough there are some very interesting aerodynamic designs on the new car, even in launch spec, that reflect that.

When Ferrari signed Sebastian Vettel, a four-time world champion, for 2015 and he won three races against the might of Mercedes, it wasn't a bad result. So, we expected 2016 to be another step forwards.

Instead, it was a serious step backwards. Ferrari didn't win a race and took only 11 podium finishes, dropping to a distant third in the constructors' championship. And it lost highly-rated technical director James Allison, starts work at Mercedes next week.

Some would say that was downright careless, but Ferrari made that happen. With James's personal challenges last year, an arm around the shoulder was required but Ferrari's management decided to go back to its more traditional way and not do that.

When did that approach last work? The answer is that it was back when I was transporting an F1 car to races on a trailer behind a van!

Times have changed, and this year is so important for Ferrari because of the rule changes and the fact both drivers' contracts are up for renewal. Success is vitally important.

Ferrari certainly hasn't followed the blueprint it has done for the past few years, or even tried to copy the all-conquering Mercedes. There are a few interesting ideas, but as always, interesting is one thing, making them work another.

FRONT WING/NOSE



Ferrari has continued to use a thumb-style central section nose, more or less as in 2016. The trailing edges of the front wing mounts develop into a turning vane to help direct the airflow more to the centre of the car and then turn it outwards slightly.

This is to maximize the airflow that passes in between the front wheels, although, interestingly, Mercedes doesn't bother with this style of turning vane.

The front wing is the common multi-element device, with the outboard ends designed to deflect the airflow around the front tyre.

As far as I can see, the main plane, which is the forward element of the front wing, has quite a large cord section. This is OK for out and out downforce, but the airflow on the wing inevitably stalls when it gets low to the ground or mid-corner when the car rolls.

And with such a large section, the instant loss of downforce can be huge. Then, when that reattaches, the sudden increase in front downforce can play havoc with the car balance.

This usually means the driver is forced to use a balance that is inherently understeery just to be able to cope with the inconsistency that this style of wing will produce. Kimi Raikkonen has always liked cars with a tendency for understeer, so perhaps this suits him.

On the top corner of the nose-to-chassis interface, there are a couple of small horizontal fins. These will help with realigning the airflow as it tries to spill over the corner of this intersection.

FRONT SUSPENSION



This is the common double wishbone and steering trackrod concept. The inboard torsion bar, damper unit, third spring and anything else are all driven by a pushrod.

Ferrari was the team that drew the FIA's attention to what it believed to be suspension elements that were controlling the aerodynamic platform of some other teams' cars, so it wanted a clarification on what was acceptable within the regulations.

It is still waiting for a proper answer, but, obviously all teams believe their own designs are squeaky clean. Only time will tell, and there isn't much of that left before the first race.

SIDEPOD/UNDERFLOOR LEADING EDGE



This is the area Ferrari seems to have got most excited about. The 2017 regulations allow a lot more scope for clever details. Again, being clever is one thing, but that must translate into decreased lap time.

With the leading edge of the sidepod as far rearward as possible, Ferrari has been able to fit a large bargeboard, which can be seen from the front-on views. At the bottom of it is a delta-wing section going from the front of the bargeboard all the way to the outer corner of the sidepod vertical turning vane. Behind that is also a smaller, horizontal delta-shaped turning vane.

These components are to optimise and realign the airflow going into the underfloor and, in Ferrari's case, the hugely undercut sidepod leading edge.



The undercut connects to the Coke bottle area and, in turn, the low-pressure area at the back of the car. If it all works together and you can get the low-pressure area behind the car to pull airflow through the Coke bottle via the undercut sidepods - around the bargeboards and from underneath the raised front of the chassis - it means the front wing will work better.

The bargeboards and this delta-wing will work better and the undercut in the sidepods will produce downforce. So, it's a plus-plus-plus on downforce. In the end, there's also a drag reduction effect achieved by filling up that void behind the car that it is usually pulling along.

If this area works on the Ferrari, then the others could be in trouble. If not, then a lot of time and effort will have been spent achieving nothing. But I think it might just have been worth a shot.

HEADREST/ENGINE COVER

The headrest area is fairly conventional for Ferrari. It hasn't gone way out whacky with it like Sauber or some of the other teams.

The engine cover has the ugly shark fin plus the T-wing on its upper trailing edge that Mercedes tested on Thursday, but the world champion team mounted the extra wing on its own strut.

COKE BOTTLE



In line with the hugely undercut sidepods, the Coke bottle area is as open as any. This will be necessary if it is going to have any chance of the sidepod undercut working and to get the maximum airflow through this area to help the rear wing and diffuser performance.

DIFFUSER/REAR WING

We must wait for the first test at Barcelona, which I will be attending, before I can voice an opinion on diffuser design, as everyone is keeping their solutions under wraps until the last minute.



The rear wing has what is now the standard angled trailing edge to the endplates. Also, as it's a bolt-on device, it will be changed to suit different circuit requirements.

Barcelona will allow us to compare who is heading in what direction. It's a reasonably high downforce circuit, so everyone will at least be trying to achieve the same sort of downforce levels and with that drag levels, which will allow us to check out top speeds.

Will Ferrari's SF70H be enough to take the competition to Mercedes? If not, heads will definitely roll at Maranello... again.

But I believe with this design it has got a chance and, as I said above, if it does the others will struggle to copy it quickly.

We can only hope so, as we all want to see close racing with different teams winning races.

[mizf1]

Thanks for the above article

[mandzipop]

This report must have really hurt Andrew Benson to write

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/39133608

[vetalo]

This report must have really hurt Andrew Benson to write

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/39133608

[Rob]