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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSpeed View Post
    Well we must have done something right indeed because you don't make up seconds in a few months, and now that we are front runners again people will focus more on our team to.
    Come on! Where would we be without endless conspiracy theories?
    Trying to be less angry..

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    FERRARI WITH TURBOCHARGER PROBLEMS

    Silver-silver-red. These are the standard colors for the winning photo after the qualification. In the first two races, the man in the red jumpsuit always stood to the right of the training fastest. This time, Sebastian Vettel took his place to the left of the two Mercedes drivers. This was not the only difference to Melbourne and Shanghai. While there were 0.293 in Australia and 0.186 seconds in Shanghai, it was almost half a second in Bahrain. To be exact: 0.478 seconds.

    Sebastian Vettel also had no conclusive answer for why the distance this time was bigger. "We have lost more time than usual on the straights. We were there in the middle sector. "It could not have been at the top speed. Vettel was stopped at the end of the finish line by 0.8 km / h faster than the fastest Valtteri Bottas. On the shorter straights, however, the Mercedes had the nose ahead. At the measuring point 1 by 2.7 km / h, at the second measuring point by 3.7 km / h and on the target by 2.6 km / h. In the curving second sector, Vettel lost only 7 hundredths to Bottas. What a good balance.

    Ferrari changes engines and turbochargers
    Since engine power for Ferrari was not a big handicap in the first two races, one can only guess. Kimi Raikkonen's car overheated in the first practice of the turbochargers. Ferrari exchanged the entire drive unit as a precaution. On Saturday morning, the FIA's motor report reported that Ferrari had also installed the second unit of the turbocharger, MGU-H and battery in Vettel's vehicle. Perhaps you have also decided to reduce the performance in the same breath. This would explain the time loss on the straight line.
    According to Vettel, the early exchange is not yet worrying: "It was not a planned change. But this is sometimes the price of an aggressive development. We have a lot more power than last year. "Nevertheless, the recourse to new elements of the drive unit in the third race of the year limits Ferrari in its development scope. If the first stage of the GP Canada is to come, Vettel and Raikkonen with some components would already be in the third of four permitted units.

    Raikkonen dissatisfied with himself
    Despite the respect for Mercedes and the strong Longruns from Mercedes, Vettel still sees a victory. "The car felt good. Better than the actual distance. This could help us in the race. "The Melbourne winner may have left his time in his last qualifying round. "Because the gap behind me was big enough, I could risk something. Maybe I attacked a bit too much and lost time. "Vettel looks despite the respectful distance to MercedesClick here for the matching products on Amazon.de! and the strong long runs of Mercedes still a chance to win. "The car felt good. Better than the actual distance. This could help us in the race . "The Melbourne winner may have left his time in his last qualifying round. "Because the gap behind me was big enough, I could risk something. Maybe I attacked a bit too much and lost time. "
    Kimi Raikkonen made a long face for the third time this year. The Finn starts with 0.320 seconds behind Vettel only from the fifth place and even has a Red Bull in front of his nose. "The car was really good, but I did not get enough of it." Raikkonen again complained about lower taxes, but admitted, "It was not as bad as the races before. Only when I attacked did not the car fit. "Kimi RaikkonenClick here for the matching products on Amazon.de! made a long face for the third time this year. The Finn starts with 0.320 seconds behindVettelonly from the fifth place and even has aRed Bullin front of his nose. "The car was really good, but I did not get enough of it." Raikkonen again complained about lower taxes, but admitted, "It was not as bad as theracesbefore. Only when I attacked did not the car fit. "

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    Flexible Ferrari story nonsense says Lauda

    A controversy about the legality of Ferrari's competitive 2017 car is continuing in Bahrain.

    Earlier, Red Bull official Dr Helmut Marko said "incriminating" video footage of flexible aerodynamic features of the red car is doing the rounds.

    But Niki Lauda, the team chairman at Mercedes, played down the rumours as "nonsense".

    "If someone believes it is illegal, all cars go through technical inspections," the F1 legend told German television RTL.

    The flexible parts of the Ferrari most under scrutiny are the front wing flaps, the rear wing and the 'monkey seat'.

    But some believe the biggest advantage is being achieved through the floor.

    Former F1 driver turned pundit Marc Surer, however, told Germany's Sky: "It is legal.

    "Ferrari has cleverly used a gap in the rules."

    And so for now, while Marko is among the naysayers, there is no sign of an official protest.

    "Nothing is coming from us," he said. "The FIA are the police."
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    Ferrari Technical Analysis - Ted Kravitz & Pat Symonds - 2017 Bahrain GP


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    It's interesting how Pat said as far as he's concerned the floor isn't legal. However, it's imperative to remember that the floor IS legal - it has passed all the required tests.

    This is the difference in interpreting the rules. Ferrari's approach is within the rules and may well offer aerodynamic benefit. Pat, however, would simply have said "don't do this it is illegal". This is a perfect illustration of how you can and MUST interpret the rules and exploit the "grey areas" to benefit performance. Ferrari is doing that very successfully, despite his opinion. The FACT is, it IS legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPBD View Post
    Pat, however, would simply have said "don't do this it is illegal".
    If only he had said that at Singapore 08.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    If only he had said that at Singapore 08.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    If only he had said that at Singapore 08.......

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    Can anyone confirm if we used all the updates we brought? I know it was reported we had 4 front wings but did we use a different one from China

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizf1 View Post
    Can anyone confirm if we used all the updates we brought? I know it was reported we had 4 front wings but did we use a different one from China
    Both drivers used the new front wing and new floor. This was announced around FP3 or Quali

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    Looking back at these 3 races I must say the team has done a great job. I still we are a couple of tenths behind Mercs, at least in Qualy, but to put so much pressure on them is fantastic. I've always said we had better drivers they just need a car, and at least Seb has done an extraordinary job so far. He has been outstanding, nobody would have done better, furthermore I think nobody would have done the same, imo. Kimi struggling a bit, but the strategy has been poor in china, i think he would have been in front of bottas if strategy would have been better. Still kudos to the team, hope development will not let us down and we can celebrate another double, WDC and WCC

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    Hello

    Can anyone copy and paste the below article, It would be interesting to see what developments each team brought

    http://www.autosport.com/premium/fea...off-in-bahrain

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    Do we have any updates or upgrades for Sochi?
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    F1 2017 development race kicks off in Bahrain
    The early-season flyaway grands prix used to feature little in the way of upgrades as teams waited till they returned to Europe, but the pace of development required in 2017 meant plenty of new parts, even in the one-week gap between China and Bahrain

    By Jake Boxall-Legge
    Published on Tuesday April 18th 2017
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    The 2017 Formula 1 season is in full swing, and engineers across the grid are beginning to truly understand where their cars stack up against the rest of the field.

    Identifying a car's strengths and weaknesses quickly is vital for teams to implement upgrade programmes as soon as possible, allowing them to keep developing as the season progresses.

    Although the cars' specifications were relatively static from Australia to China, there were a larger number of visible updates in Bahrain, as teams sought to steal a march on their rivals in the early-season flyaway rounds.

    There are also a few developments from the opening two races that, with more close-up images now available, can be analysed in more depth.

    NEW FERRARI FRONT WING

    After an encouraging start to the new term, Ferrari continued to build on its momentum with the addition of a new front wing with some aggressive new features.

    Ferrari included a third element into the red mainplane section, helping to improve the airflow attachment over the wing.

    Thanks to the extra airflow control that the front wing now has, Ferrari has moved the start of the vortex tunnel underneath the wing further inboard to achieve a more dramatic curvature, pumping the resultant vortex around the front wheel more effectively.

    This reduces the amount of wake that the tyre produces, trimming off drag and limiting the effects of the wake's turbulent air downstream.

    The vortex tunnel is also shaped differently towards the trailing edge of the wing assembly, and is squarer to ensure that the vortex is carried outboard correctly.

    On top of the wing, this is paired with an aerofoil flap mounted to the inside of the endplate that squashes some of the airflow, accelerating it and lifting it out of the way of the tyre.

    Compared to the wing used in Australia and China, the shape of the elements painted white were changed for Bahrain to suit the demands of the circuit, also changing the way the airflow passes over the suspension wishbones.

    Further down the grid, Haas also brought a slightly amended wing to Bahrain, featuring three cascade elements attached to the upper flap instead of the two used in China.

    The cascades prevent flow detachment, offering the wing greater control in directing the airflow in front of the suspension geometry.

    FORCE INDIA BARGEBOARDS

    As larger bargeboards are now allowed by the regulations compared to last year, designers have a much bigger canvas to work with in implementing developments in this area.

    Force India began the year with four vertical slots along the top edge of its bargeboard design, helping to direct airflow more aggressively towards the top face of the floor and around the sidepod.

    For Bahrain, the Silverstone-based team brought a new design with nine slots, dousing it in flow-viz paint in Friday practice.

    Teams often employ flow-vis to see how their components deal with airflow patterns in the real world, outside the windtunnel, and Force India used this to assess how the bargeboard behaves with airflow coming from the front of the car.

    Adding these extra slots provides more control in directing air from the suspension wishbones and flow conditioners, pulling it downwards towards the sidepod undercut, to be channelled to the rear of the car.

    The curvature of the bargeboard may offer some degree of air separation without these slots, and including them mitigates that risk.

    Pulling the air from the front suspension components down also helps to keep turbulent air from entering the sidepod inlet, improving the cooling performance.

    The new bargeboard is also paired with a new extension to the flow conditioner around the sidepod's leading edge, which encourages the development of a vortex around the bottom of the sidepod that can later be directed away from the rear tyre.

    RENAULT BRAKE DISCS

    Pairing long straights with slow, tight corners, the Sakhir circuit is incredibly hard on brakes, and in the hotter temperatures cooling is frequently an issue.

    To combat this problem, teams use small holes on the curved face of the brake disc to increase its surface area, improving heat dissipation.

    The number of holes drilled into the disc's circumference will vary between events, and Renault is one team that came to Bahrain prepared for hotter temperatures.

    Its brake discs for the Chinese Grand Prix featured rows of four holes across the disc, but an extra hole was included for Bahrain as it tried to limit the effects of heat build-up on the car's braking performance.

    FLOOR SLOTS

    A number of teams have also started adding slots into the floor, experimenting with a loophole that the new regulations have created.

    The maximum permissible width for the floor was extended by 200mm, but a regulation that mandates "continuous bodywork" in this area was not changed to fit this new width and, as a result, teams have a 100mm space either side to experiment with slots.

    Ferrari and Mercedes have used this space to add a cut in the floor, creating a section that is detached at the trailing edge.

    Adding curvature to this not only adds stability to ensure that it doesn't flex too much, but also helps to roll up a vortex.

    This is directed by the trailing edge, creating a barrier to reduce high-pressure air from bleeding under the floor, and as a result boosts diffuser performance.

    Haas, Toro Rosso and McLaren have added slots rather than complete cuts into the floor, although the intent is the same as Mercedes and Ferrari's designs.

    McLaren also appears to use the trailing edge of the slot to shape the vortex, carrying it away from the rear tyres to minimise tyre squirt.

    Tyre squirt has a detrimental effect on diffuser performance, and is caused by the rotation of the wheel creating an unpredictable flow pattern.

    Toro Rosso and Haas use slots positioned further forward than McLaren's, seeking to work the air around the sidepod as quickly as possible.

    Both teams use their slots in conjunction with a lip on the edge of the floor, although Haas also uses two small raised sections to guide the airflow outboard.

    MERCEDES SHARK-FIN OUTLET

    In search of extra cooling performance, Mercedes was able to use its shark fin to add an opening to the engine cover.

    This isn't an entirely new solution, as the Brackley team trialled the design in pre-season testing when it explored a number of shark-fin options, and used the chimney solution in Melbourne before switching to a more conventional design for Shanghai.

    The holes along the top edge offer the engine cover design some adjustability; in Australia, the opening was closed halfway with a small panel as the cooling demands on the car were reduced.

    Conversely, the warmer conditions in the Bahrain desert demanded that the team leave the aperture completely open to dispel the hot air from the engine area.

    T-WING CONTROVERSY

    Red Bull team principal Christian Horner made another call for T-wings to be banned, following Friday's second practice session in which Valtteri Bottas's device detached itself from the Mercedes, damaging the floor of Max Verstappen's car.

    Mercedes' T-wing design is the only version in the field that is not mounted to the shark fin, and has suffered some problems with structural integrity.

    Mounting the T-wing to the shark fin should offer greater support, although this is not completely guaranteed. Haas sustained a number of issues early in the season with flexure, prompting it to reinforce its design.

    Conversely Red Bull is the highest-profile team not to run a T-wing at all.

    Horner estimated that the errant T-wing did "about Ģ50,000 of damage" to Verstappen's Red Bull, and this will probably not be the last time that these aerodynamic devices will court controversy.

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    According to unofficial information to Ferrari in Barcelona presented a package which would be bold against Mercedes talking about for a huge step forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfaromeo View Post
    According to unofficial information to Ferrari in Barcelona presented a package which would be bold against Mercedes talking about for a huge step forward.
    let me know the link where you got it from.
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    No links, information from gay who working for Ferrari. If that is true I don't now

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    Aero upgrade or Engine?
    I hope its the engine, so we get a buffer to the mercs, whose engine is their strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alfaromeo View Post
    No links, information from gay who working for Ferrari. If that is true I don't now
    is it a guy or gay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fmatiasii View Post
    is it a guy or gay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormsearcher View Post
    Aero upgrade or Engine?
    I hope its the engine, so we get a buffer to the mercs, whose engine is their strength.
    I think the concept of double fuel inject will come into picture by that time, might be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    I think the concept of double fuel inject will come into picture by that time, might be.
    now that is what i'm talking about! if this will push through then this could be a game changer. this could be the answer to qualifying in pole position. efficient fuel consumption means we could afford to run on a lighter load thereby cutting some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fmatiasii View Post
    now that is what i'm talking about! if this will push through then this could be a game changer. this could be the answer to qualifying in pole position. efficient fuel consumption means we could afford to run on a lighter load thereby cutting some time.
    i wonder if this will compromise race trim....thats the only big ???

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    Maybe it's a gay guy who knows .

    I know it's kinda dry humor but that's me.
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    Any news on our engines from Bahrain? Will we be able to use them again?

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    Rear of the car and PU...it seems like SF2015 position of the elements of PU:













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