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    Maybe it's a gay guy who knows .

    I know it's kinda dry humor but that's me.
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    How Ferrari gave Sebastian Vettel the chance to beat Lewis Hamilton

    How have Ferrari done it? That is the big question on many people's lips in Formula 1 this year.

    Sebastian Vettel is leading the championship by seven points from Mercedes driver Lewis Hamilton after two wins and a second place in the first three races. The German is giving every impression of being a serious title contender.

    What a difference from last year, when Ferrari went winless, Vettel had a fractious relationship with his bosses and the big question was about whether the most famous team in F1 were disappearing into one of their periodic declines.

    Vettel started 2017 with a win in Australia, took a close second to Hamilton in the second race in China and won again in Bahrain last weekend.

    Mercedes appear to have a faster car over one lap (in qualifying, for example), but the Ferrari is very strong in races, particularly on the very softest tyres, which the Mercedes is over-heating.

    Had the cards fallen differently, arguably either Vettel or Hamilton could have won any of the races. Which just underlines how close it is, and what massive progress Ferrari have made.

    What are Ferrari saying about it?

    Ferrari have been cautious in all their public pronouncements so far this season - to the extent that there is something of a media blackout, with even the drivers' news conference appearances significantly cut back. Team boss Maurizio Arrivabene has said almost nothing of consequence at all.

    The idea, it seems, is to establish themselves in the season with as little pressure as possible.

    When Vettel has spoken, he has not held back in his praise for the efforts Ferrari have made to turn their competitive position around.

    "We did a massive stint over the winter," he said after his victory in Bahrain. "Last year was a very good year for us. It wasn't good in terms of results, don't get me wrong, but I think for the team, getting together, a lot of things that had changed now seem to start clicking.

    "It helps when straight from the box, in testing, we had a good feeling. We looked reasonably competitive.

    "Australia obviously was a massive boost for all the team. The whole factory has really come alive so that's great and we need to just make sure we keep it going.

    "I'm really enjoying it; the car has been a pleasure. Things start to click and hopefully that sort of success now in the first couple of races helps us to build up some sort of momentum that maybe these guys [Mercedes] had in the past and the last couple of years. So they will be the ones to beat."

    What has happened behind the scenes?


    Hard work is one thing. But all F1 teams work hard. Ferrari were working hard last year - and in 2014, when they also failed to win a race.

    The explanation for the turnaround is more complex than that, and it starts a year or so ago, in the first difficult months of Ferrari's 2016.

    Ferrari were confident heading into last year that they had further closed the gap on Mercedes after a 2015 in which Vettel won three races. The team bosses told president Sergio Marchionne as much, and he came out before the season started and said he expected Ferrari to be absolutely competitive from the off.

    The problems started when they were not. Marchionne is an uncompromising Italian-Canadian businessman with a reputation as a hard man with colourful language. His nickname is "the jumpered assassin". He was not happy, and he wanted to know why performance was not what had been promised.

    He began a full investigation into how things worked at Ferrari's Maranello factory. He personally interviewed many staff, not just the bosses, wanted to know their thoughts on why Ferrari could not compete with the best British-based teams, and asked for an explanation about why they had a reputation for lack of imagination and innovation in F1 design.

    Marchionne decided the design department needed to be restructured, to free up some of the more creative minds and make a less top-down structure.

    He identified, he has said, about 20 key "high-potential individuals" to promote and harness. Management was reorganised; the format of meetings, too.

    The idea was to make design more flexible, to ensure all ideas were discussed and make the group more open to suggestions. And to encourage a greater sense of ownership and responsibility among a much wider array of people, to avoid the usual Ferrari problem of people keeping their heads down so they could not be blamed for failure.

    At the same time, Ferrari undertook an analysis of their weaknesses and concluded three main issues - aerodynamics, especially on circuits that require efficiency, such as Barcelona and Silverstone; tyre management; and gearbox fragility.

    That done, they had a redefined baseline focus for 2017.

    Is this really James Allison's car?

    This restructure took place in the summer of last year. A major part of it was the departure of former technical director James Allison - fundamentally because of a disagreement with Marchionne on details of the restructure - and his replacement by former engine boss Mattia Binotto, who had a reputation as an excellent engineering manager.

    F1 cars are a long time in gestation. Even in a normal year, layout is being done in the spring of the previous season. When there has been a big regulation change, as there has been this season, design work starts much earlier. Most 2017 cars have been at least two years in the making.

    The teams knew the fundamentals of the 2017 rules as long ago as the summer of 2015 but the regulations were not finally signed off until early March 2016. At the very least, the fundamental concept of this year's Ferrari - its wheelbase, dimensions, basic aerodynamic philosophy and so on - was done on Allison's watch.

    He and former aerodynamic head Dirk de Beer left at the same time last July and are now ensconced at other teams - Allison as technical director of Ferrari's title rivals Mercedes; De Beer, who also worked with Allison at Lotus, at Williams.
    So Allison, who is one of probably the top two most highly rated design leaders in F1, was at Ferrari for all but the final five or six months of the creation of this car. Clearly, his contribution to it was significant, even if he played down his influence when asked in Bahrain last weekend.

    "I left Ferrari many months ago," Allison said, "and joined Mercedes just some small number of weeks ago. And anything that Ferrari has done for this year's car is a credit to the people that work at Ferrari over these months and what they have delivered."

    Ferrari have, though, made progress since Allison departed. The car features a number of innovative design interpretations, and it surely cannot be an accident that this has happened in the first season after they restructured the design department with the express intention of being less conservative.

    As ever when a team makes a big relative step forward like this, the paddock is a hotbed of rumour as to what they might have done.

    People are talking about Ferrari having found a way to make the floor flex for aerodynamic advantage - in a similar way to that in which Red Bull were so successful in the early 2010s. Theoretically, this is not allowed, but everything flexes a bit, and there are load tests conducted by governing body the FIA. As long as a car passes these, it is legal.

    Rivals also say that a significant chunk of Ferrari's pace has been down to major progress with the engine. Vettel confirmed this in Bahrain when he said: "We did a very, very good job, especially on the engine side. I think there's been a very big step so it feels great, feels like a lot more power than last year."

    Again, there are rumours, this time about fuel additives to make a bigger combustion bang and therefore more power. Again, the FIA does checks and everything has been found to be above board.

    The unanswered question so far is whether Ferrari can keep up in the development race, a weakness so far this decade.

    What is good about Ferrari's car?

    Ferrari's design innovation this year is most obvious around the front of the sidepods, the bodywork that sticks out either side of the cockpit and which house radiators and other ancillaries.

    This area is unique - the sidepod air inlets are much higher and shallower than on other cars, and feature unusual airflow shapers at their front. The benefits are that the air has a cleaner route into the sidepods and there is more space under the inlets, through the cutaway section below, for the crucial downforce-defining airflow to the rear.

    The result has been a car Vettel is actively enjoying driving, one that suits his driving style, unlike last year.

    Vettel is a great driver, but he needs a car to behave in a certain way to be at his best. If a car won't do what he wants, he can get into a downward spiral, as happened last year and in 2014, his final season at Red Bull.

    Vettel likes consistent and predictable rear grip on corner entry, so as to enable him to rotate the car early in the corner, get on the power early and therefore increase speed down the following straight.

    It was a technique that worked to perfection in the Red Bulls he drove to four world titles, and it is working again this year. The downforce created by Ferrari's innovative design under new rules aimed at making the cars faster and more demanding has been crucial in creating this balance for Vettel.

    Team-mate Kimi Raikkonen, meanwhile, is struggling, his pace affected by a lack of front-end grip, which has always been his biggest Achilles' heel, and which does not bother Vettel in the same way.

    What does it all mean?

    Ferrari's strong start to the season led to the first sign that their ultra-cautious approach is starting to peel away and their self-confidence is growing. Following Vettel's victory in Bahrain, Ferrari put out a statement from Marchionne.

    "It is, of course, hugely satisfying to be back on the top step of the podium with Seb," he said. "More importantly, however, we are now completely confident that our victory in Melbourne wasn't just a one-off and that we will be at the forefront of this world championship until the last.

    "We finally have a competitive car to count on and it is important to recognise the speed with which we implemented the developments demanded for each new race.

    "All this is the fruit of superb work at the track and in Maranello, so my compliments not just to Seb for his achievements in Bahrain, but also to the whole team.

    "That said, we are well aware we have a long road ahead and know that if we want to get to the most important finish-line of all, we cannot stint on our commitment and focus for a second."

    Ferrari's performance is not just good for Ferrari, though; it is good for F1 as a whole.

    For the new owners, ensconced only in January, it has given a superbly exciting championship battle to sell to the world.

    Ferrari's success may, however, complicate negotiations over the teams' new contracts post-2020, which are already starting.




    Ferrari's historic value means that under the current deal they are given 5% of F1's total revenues (which are about $1.5bn, so that's $75m) before the prize money is distributed - plus another $120m or so from the prize fund. Cutting that as part of a more equitable income distribution to the teams won't be easy when Ferrari's value as a stop on Mercedes' domination is so clear.

    Beyond the arcane finances of F1, though, most importantly it means that in an era of falling television figures and questions about F1's appeal to a younger generation, two of the greatest drivers in the world are fighting for the title while racing for two of the biggest names in the automotive industry.

    On every level, that's good for everyone who has even a passing interest in the world's biggest annual televised sport.


    source: http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/39647299

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    Which one of those tubes is the engine?

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    i hope so, it would be nice to have some back to back wins

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    Quote Originally Posted by zike View Post
    i hope so, it would be nice to have some back to back wins
    if we out-qualify Bottas in the next quali, then possibility is very high. Else bottas will block Vet for Ham. These are the tactics we gonna see as the season goes on.

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    In pre season testing ot was cold and our pace seemed ok.

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    so long as we have the pace and good tire management then there's always the possibility of winning the next race.
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    Yes if we were slow but we can follow that is the key. Ferrari will push Bot into Ham and pass with undercut or over cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sxviper698 View Post
    Yes if we were slow but we can follow that is the key. Ferrari will push Bot into Ham and pass with undercut or over cut.
    Yeah, for the time being, it looks like Seb and Kimi just needs to follow the Merc cars close and then the undercut or overcut will do the trick. Ferrari has a massive advantage with tire management. Our aero package rules!

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    i hope by the time we get to monaco, we are able to out qualify the mercs, knowing that it's difficult to have some overtaking there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fmatiasii View Post
    i hope by the time we get to monaco, we are able to out qualify the mercs, knowing that it's difficult to have some overtaking there.
    No worries, we can undercut them

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    I think our advantage is not that great and that Mercedes had a good test. So we need to keep pushing. We cannot just wait. We need to make the car faster. More power from the engine. I think we need to get more aero updates plus more rear downforce for rear specific tracks. Mercedes will have all the data they need to fix the tyer management issues. It came at the right time for them. We just need to keep pushing.

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    I think with monaco we have a good chance. Our car is shorter so it will be a good advantage for us and red bulls. So it will be anfight between Ferrari and Red Bulls but if mercedes comes with a special monaco package with a shorter wheelbase, then they will be in too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mardyrt View Post
    I think with monaco we have a good chance. Our car is shorter so it will be a good advantage for us and red bulls. So it will be anfight between Ferrari and Red Bulls but if mercedes comes with a special monaco package with a shorter wheelbase, then they will be in too.
    Monaco is a street race with very narrow streets. That said passing in Monaco is almost non-existent or treacherous (cars colliding, carbon-fibre shards everywhere and your out of the race). P1 in Q3 is almost a guarantee win in Monaco GP. The only way someone wins in Monaco against the Mercs is in pit strategy...they are heavy on tyres thereby tyre degredation is higher than the Ferrari.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mardyrt View Post
    I think with monaco we have a good chance. Our car is shorter so it will be a good advantage for us and red bulls. So it will be anfight between Ferrari and Red Bulls but if mercedes comes with a special monaco package with a shorter wheelbase, then they will be in too.
    I doubt they will bring a shorter car just for 1 race, the money and time needed is too great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Monaco is a street race with very narrow streets. That said passing in Monaco is almost non-existent or treacherous (cars colliding, carbon-fibre shards everywhere and your out of the race). P1 in Q3 is almost a guarantee win in Monaco GP. The only way someone wins in Monaco against the Mercs is in pit strategy...they are heavy on tyres thereby tyre degredation is higher than the Ferrari.
    yup that's right, tire management will definitely play a big role for us. i'm guessing it will be a one stop strategy for us.
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    It is usually said in F1 that you are only as good as your last race. So the pecking order can change with development and in season testing. So we cannot count on mercedes being bad on tiers or we are better with pit strategy. What if they have a better pit strategy? Then if they are ahead, they can stay ahead for the whole race. So, we have to be proactive in our development and race pace. We cannot count on mercedes to be always bad on tyers. We have to find other ways to be faster. Because, being bad on tyers is something they can fix, especially with the Bahrain test. We need to bring updates. We need to keep pushing.
    Some of you think they will not bring a short wheelbase car, but couple of times, McLaren brought a short wheelbase car for Monaco. They can use it in Hungary too.
    It is not that hard, you just have alter the front suspension just a little bit and you got a shorter car. It does not effect aero as much as it is not a high speed circuits. Car balance is much more important and having a shorter wheelbase will help in the turns and chuck into the corners. But maybe they wont bring it, but it is a possibility. I hope our guys keep pushing like crazy. Quality and quantity of development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mardyrt View Post
    It is usually said in F1 that you are only as good as your last race. So the pecking order can change with development and in season testing. So we cannot count on mercedes being bad on tiers or we are better with pit strategy. What if they have a better pit strategy? Then if they are ahead, they can stay ahead for the whole race. So, we have to be proactive in our development and race pace. We cannot count on mercedes to be always bad on tyers. We have to find other ways to be faster. Because, being bad on tyers is something they can fix, especially with the Bahrain test. We need to bring updates. We need to keep pushing.
    Some of you think they will not bring a short wheelbase car, but couple of times, McLaren brought a short wheelbase car for Monaco. They can use it in Hungary too.
    It is not that hard, you just have alter the front suspension just a little bit and you got a shorter car. It does not effect aero as much as it is not a high speed circuits. Car balance is much more important and having a shorter wheelbase will help in the turns and chuck into the corners. But maybe they wont bring it, but it is a possibility. I hope our guys keep pushing like crazy. Quality and quantity of development.
    Well then they have won the race(Monaco) according to your analogy. If they get "better at managing their tyres" during this particular race, then they have won. According to past races and well into 2014, the Merc has been P1 in Q3 the majority of the time. This particular race, if you get P1 your pretty much guarantee'd the race as you have: free air flow, no carbon-fibre shards puncturing your tyres as the rest of the pack does if a crash happens. I seriously doubt their is a shorter wheelbase MB for just this one race; they have never done it in the past and why should they now. All the Merc has to do is just get P1 and it will control the race. This is according to said analogy that you have given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Well then they have won the race(Monaco) according to your analogy. If they get "better at managing their tyres" during this particular race, then they have won. According to past races and well into 2014, the Merc has been P1 in Q3 the majority of the time. This particular race, if you get P1 your pretty much guarantee'd the race as you have: free air flow, no carbon-fibre shards puncturing your tyres as the rest of the pack does if a crash happens. I seriously doubt their is a shorter wheelbase MB for just this one race; they have never done it in the past and why should they now. All the Merc has to do is just get P1 and it will control the race. This is according to said analogy that you have given.
    The guy just said we gotta keep pushing, that's all. Mercedes is no easy foe, they will not sit idle that's for sure. However, Ferrari is not an easy opponent as well, so i'm sure the guys in Maranello will constantly develop the car, especially now when we have the edge over them when it comes to race pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
    The guy just said we gotta keep pushing, that's all. Mercedes is no easy foe, they will not sit idle that's for sure. However, Ferrari is not an easy opponent as well, so i'm sure the guys in Maranello will constantly develop the car, especially now when we have the edge over them when it comes to race pace.
    Yes, we have race pace in I believe most of the tracks; but this is Monaco, overtaking is non-existent due to the street course being so narrow and the cars being wider. Pit strategy will be very important as in when and who or where we or they end up behind someone or the pack....basically your stuck behind the slower car/cars IF they let you pass; advantageous for who? Them ? Us? who knows. Quali and P1 is super important just in this race as thats what started this debate. I did'nt start the debate in post #1604 but in post #1605 with reference to Monaco is when I started the debate plus the whole "shorter wheelbase" thing as the Mercs have not done this in the past since the intro of this new formula...thats all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Yes, we have race pace in I believe most of the tracks; but this is Monaco, overtaking is non-existent due to the street course being so narrow and the cars being wider. Pit strategy will be very important as in when and who or where we or they end up behind someone or the pack....basically your stuck behind the slower car/cars IF they let you pass; advantageous for who? Them ? Us? who knows. Quali and P1 is super important just in this race as thats what started this debate. I did'nt start the debate in post #1604 but in post #1605 with reference to Monaco is when I started the debate plus the whole "shorter wheelbase" thing as the Mercs have not done this in the past since the intro of this new formula...thats all.
    You gotta point, considering that we are way slower in qualy. However, is it possible that we can boost our engine for qualy in Monaco? And yeah, pit stop will be crucial, if we make a mistake and end up behind slow cars, we are done for. However, it's the same for everyone, Merc gotta be extremely careful in pits as well. So, i guess it will be down to who has the better strategy at the end. Nevertheless, i'm pretty optimistic.

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    Just read the team by team analysis on f1 technical.

    Ferrari is understood to have tuned its turbochargers down to make sure it holds on in the desert. It was obvious that Ferrari constantly lost out to its arch-rival Mercedes on the long straights. Ferrari lost around three tenths of a second through the first sector which seemed to be its Achilles' heel over the whole weekend. The car was, however, incredibly strong in the long corners of the second sector where the SF70-H had the upper hand over the whole race. The difference in the last sector between the two teams was almost nothing.
    Hope we sorted it out during last week's test.

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    Im not saying they win, but their chances get bigger. But, what im saying is, we need to improve. We cannot compare the past and think it will be the same. We cant do that. We need to improve. The qualifying is one area we really need to improve. We need to be in a mind set that they have fixed the issues. And we cannot count on that they will have same issues as last race.
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    Does anyone have an idea how these pipes are connected ... like their number is 5 and it should be 3:



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    Quote Originally Posted by


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    wow, look how compact the components are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gjoko-mkd View Post
    Does anyone have an idea how these pipes are connected ... like their number is 5 and it should be 3:


    https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2939/3...ae76b661_b.jpg
    It certainly appears to be the exhaust header, so I think its an illusion because of how the pipes are bent. I think #4 is actually part of #2, and #5 part of #3. They bend them to have equal lengths, or at least tuned lengths to maximize each cylinder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    It certainly appears to be the exhaust header, so I think its an illusion because of how the pipes are bent. I think #4 is actually part of #2, and #5 part of #3. They bend them to have equal lengths, or at least tuned lengths to maximize each cylinder.
    That makes sense. Grazie!

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    TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES GP BAHRAIN 2017
    Ferrari ignites first stage of construction


    Already early in the season the teams have screwed the first big upgrade packages to their cars. Especially in Ferrari, Force India and McLaren, we were able to discover modifications in China and Bahrain.


    The development competition in Formula 1 is already well underway. Already before the season start, experts had predicted for this year a particularly intense fight of technology offices. The new car generation is still in the children's shoes. With upgrades, more progress is possible than last year. Creativity and fast copying can be crucial.


    Smallest team with major upgrades
    Normally, the first bigger packages always come to the European launch in Barcelona. But this year, many teams have started their development program earlier. By the two test days following the Grand Prix race in Bahrain, the engineers had the opportunity to thoroughly analyze modifications.


    Force India had the biggest development stage. We were able to recognize new barboards, new side wing wings, a new diffuser and a lot of modified baffles on the pink car. The smallest team in the Formula 1 shows the big again, as one can also develop with limited resources development. In Barcelona and Canada, the second part of the package is to be pushed in the form of new coolers, new side boxes and a front wing.

    New front wing for Vettel
    At Ferrari, too, the engineers did not rest on the good results of the first two races. In Bahrain was once again rumored on the under-ground, which has made headlines through the Verbiege accusations. To this end, front wings from Maranello were flown in, which were completely redesigned in many details.
    Even at McLaren, the development is not silent. However, the new T-wing, the modifications on the under-floor and the converted tailgate end plates did not bring the car forward noticeably because of the serious engine problems of Honda. We will show you in the gallery what the MCL32 and all other cars in China and Bahrain did.

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