Scuderia Ferrari SF70H

[From Treviso]

The TC component of the power system - is that the turbo control?

To the upgrade: A 10HP increase won't be detected on such high power engines, as it's roughly only a 1 percent improvement. A 5 percent increase is where the drivers would feel a real difference, which would equate to around a 45HP increase. Maybe the real gain is a bigger chunk of HP down low, meaning there could be a 50 HP increase at a lower, critical rev range but only a 10HP increase in peak HP! Eg. there could now be 600 HP available at 10,000 when exiting corners instead of the previous 550 HP, so we need to not focus on the peak figures, which mainly effect top speeds. So driveability and fuel efficiency could well be the star of this new package instead of the big numbers everyone is focusing on!

Now the shield - looking at it makes the car look like a scale model you find in a hobby shop

[Giallo 550]

10bhp seems low, almost negligible in terms of performance, that is not enough to even change the laps times by more than 1/10 a second or less.

I agree. It's really just a drop in the bucket.

[Giallo 550]

lol hamilton actually brought up the fact that RBR have brought upgrades , said he wants a 3 team competition

Ha! That creep should be careful what he wishes for; he's already having enough trouble handling Vettel and Ferrari.

[hattrick]

Has Silverstone exposed Ferrari's development race fears?

Once it was established that Ferrari was a serious threat to Mercedes at the start of the 2017 season, the big question was always whether it could keep up the development pace. Based on the evidence of Friday practice at Silverstone, the doubts remain and there will be some furrowed brows in the Ferrari garage.

Silverstone is a slightly unusual circuit, with ultra-fast corners like Copse, Becketts/Maggotts and Abbey posing a different challenge for the 2017 breed of F1 cars. While the average speed of Silverstone is actually slightly slower than what we saw in Austria last week, no track has been so demanding of high-speed poise.

To date, the Ferrari has been a fantastic all-rounder. At every circuit, the car has been very strong through a wide range of conditions, but there are two hints that this might be a little different at Silverstone.

As usual, the single-lap pace on a Friday is of limited use, and while a gap of 0.332 seconds between the fastest Mercedes and the fastest Ferrari is the biggest gap in an FP2 session this year save for the Australia season opener, it is in itself not a major drama - even with Red Bull breathing down Ferrari's neck and 0.270s behind.



PURE PACE RANKING (FP2)
1. Mercedes (Bottas) 1m28.496s
2. Ferrari (Raikkonen) 1m28.828s
3. Red Bull (Verstappen) 1m29.098s
4. Renault (Hulkenberg) 1m29.936s
5. Williams (Massa) 1m30.006s
6. McLaren (Alonso) 1m30.238s
7. Force India (Ocon) 1m30.383s
8. Toro Rosso (Sainz) 1m30.555s
9. Haas (Grosjean) 1m30.661s
10. Sauber (Ericsson) 1m31.616s

On long-run pace, things look more concerning for Ferrari. The gap between Lewis Hamilton's pace, based on six flying laps using super-softs, and Ferrari's Sebastian Vettel - who was best of the rest - was 0.687s.

With Bottas backing that up with a near identical pace to Hamilton, averaging just 0.074s slower over a comparable sample set, not to mention the Mercedes looking very co-operative on track, things are looking promising for the Silver Arrows.

The below long-run averages take into account six flying laps, all using super-soft rubber. Sauber and Toro Rosso did not complete meaningful long-runs on the super-softs to be included in this classification.

Pirellis anticipates a two-stop race, with tyre wear not a problem but thermal wear a concern and a risk of some blistering. So the super-soft pace is a limited window of performance, but one that allows a straight comparison from team to team.



LONG-RUN PACE RANKING (six laps)
1. Mercedes (Hamilton) 1m32.759s
2. Ferrari (Vettel) 1m33.446s
3. Red Bull (Verstappen) 1m33.744s
4. Williams (Massa) 1m33.905s
5. Renault (Hulkenberg) 1m34.630s*
6. Force India (Perez) 1m34.637s
7. McLaren (Alonso) 1m34.643s*
8. Haas (Grosjean) 1m34.691s
*five-lap average

What's more, the gap between Ferrari and Red Bull is much the same. No wonder the ever-improving Milton Keynes squad is optimistic about making a fight of it for best of the rest. So when Daniel Ricciardo talked up his team's pace relative to Ferrari's it was definitely not without foundation.

The Red Bull certainly looked impressive on track. Watching in the Maggotts/Becketts complex, a spectacular, fast left-right-left-right-left complex (if you include Chapel that leads onto the Hangar Straight), this is a sequence that can't fail to be honest about a car's high speed performance.

The Mercedes looks very untroubled. The Red Bull, at times, looked stunning in terms of direction change and speed carried. The Ferrari, as always, looked decent but both Vettel and Kimi Raikkonen seemed slightly more troubled here. A spin for the German in FP1 here was testament to that, with the car just a little bit harder to drive and certainly less predictable for the drivers.

So how worried should Ferrari be? Arguably, it should be far more concerned about Red Bull's pace than that of Mercedes. The battle between Ferrari and Mercedes has ebbed and flowed all season and Silverstone is an atypical circuit, so this might just one of those weekends when Maranello has to accept second best.



GARY ANDERSON: "The gap from Mercedes to Ferrari certainly looks bigger, although it seems to have been reasonably black and white in recent races that it is the faster car in qualifying. And while Red Bull is not in there yet it's definitely close enough to cause a headache for Ferrari.

"The trend this season has usually been for Ferrari, when Mercedes has been quicker, to not worry too much because the gap was closed in the race. But that assistance for Ferrari is diminishing and, based on today, you have to question whether it has enough to make up the deficit. Red Bull being close enough potentially to get stuck in the middle could complicate things.

"So why are we seeing this? It might be that Ferrari is struggling a fraction with where they are taking the car to. The sidepod concept was something nobody else has on their car, and it has done well so far. But Ferrari can't follow anyone's development direction with it, and when you have such a complicated arrangement any modifications to the car can have a bigger impact.

"In Austria, Ferrari introduced a new front wing with a larger cord-section main plane. So this was a one-piece part rather than two-piece. That will change the characteristics of the car and I'm not sure it's 100% for the better in terms of consistency of the aerodynamics.

"I don't have Ferrari's data to look at, but you would expect that to increase low/medium-speed downforce but give you airflow separation problems at high speed. It'll make the car harder to drive and understand in such corners, particularly a complex like Maggotts/Becketts.

"If this is Ferrari's problem, then the team won't be looking forward to Spa or Suzuka with high-speed corners. In Ferrari's position, I'd consider using two packages depending on the circuit and the required aero characteristics because different tracks have different demands."



Ricciardo talked up Red Bull's hopes of taking the fight to the Ferraris, and there is real reason for Ferrari to be concerned. In terms of raw pace, looking in percentage terms based on the fastest Red Bull lap compared to the fastest individual lap of the weekend, this is actually the team's second-strongest of the 10 so far this year.

The strongest was Monaco, and this is the first time Red Bull has been within 1% of the pace since that race, floating around the 1.3-1.5% off mark in Canada, Azerbaijan and Austria. But that isn't enough to explain the fact Red Bull seems to be in the ballpark to bother Ferrari.

So if Ferrari carries this form into Saturday and Sunday, and remember things can and do change after Friday practice, then that does justify questions being asked about its development progress.

The other concern for Ferrari is the performance of Bottas. Again, the Finn was very close to Hamilton today and, if you were to run qualifying and the race based on the performance profile we would see today, you would expect a Mercedes front row lock-out and a one-two.

Those days where Vettel could be more confident of finishing ahead of Bottas even if Mercedes was faster have gone. But Bottas's five-place gearbox change penalty is certainly some very positive news for the red corner.



GARY ANDERSON: "Valtteri Bottas coming of age has been the big story of the past few races. When you move to a genuinely frontrunning team, things are different and he's spent six months learning to the point where he's now capable of dotting all of the i's and crossing all the t's.

"At Williams, a good day was a decent finish in the points. At Mercedes, anything off the podium is a bad day. You need to be on it consistently and Bottas now is. Look at Baku; beating Lance Stroll to second was not really about the last lap, it was about ensuring that he didn't leave time on the table once he had dropped back. Had he left a tenth or two behind, he wouldn't have been second. Then came Austria.

"If I had £10 going spare, I'd put it on Bottas for the title because we have seen in the past sometimes things do go wrong for Hamilton, even though he is still ahead in the points and you would expect him to be the favourite given he has already won three titles."

Whether this possibility of a weekend dominated by Mercedes, with Ferrari more worried about ensuring it stays ahead of Red Bull than gets ahead, reaches fruition remains to be seen. Certainly, Red Bull's drivers were noticeably well hooked up from the start of practice, with Ricciardo and Verstappen visibly hugely committed through Maggotts/Becketts early on.



Red Bull doesn't have a major upgrade package here, with the next one planned for Hungary. It does have some tweaks, but there's always the risk that it started the weekend well and could slip further back again as Ferrari recovers.

GARY ANDERSON: "It's always interesting to look at the relative gain of teams from FP1 to FP2, and Red Bull didn't make progress today. Usually, Mercedes rolls the car out of the truck and is so well prepared that the car is at 99.9%, which is why you often see other teams making gains.

"It could be that Red Bull had a better Friday than Ferrari relatively speaking and has less to find tomorrow. Then there's the question of how fuel loads play into all of that."

Whatever happens, the events of Friday practice and the pattern that is starting to be hinted at does mean there will be plenty of head-scratching at Ferrari as it attempts to defend Vettel's lead in the drivers' championship.

A year ago, you would have written Ferrari off. But this now appears to be a more robust team far better equipped to recover and make the best of its package.

Based on Friday, a good recovery would constitute holding off Red Bull comfortably and being able to be close enough to bother Mercedes in the race after arguably its worst Friday since the season-opening Australian Grand Prix.

With Bottas starting sixth at best, Vettel might well sign on the dotted line for second place to Hamilton were he offered it right now.
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Once it was established that Ferrari was a serious threat to Mercedes at the start of the 2017 season, the big question was always whether it could keep up the development pace. Based on the evidence of Friday practice at Silverstone, the doubts remain and there will be some furrowed brows in the Ferrari garage.

Silverstone is a slightly unusual circuit, with ultra-fast corners like Copse, Becketts/Maggotts and Abbey posing a different challenge for the 2017 breed of F1 cars. While the average speed of Silverstone is actually slightly slower than what we saw in Austria last week, no track has been so demanding of high-speed poise.

To date, the Ferrari has been a fantastic all-rounder. At every circuit, the car has been very strong through a wide range of conditions, but there are two hints that this might be a little different at Silverstone.

As usual, the single-lap pace on a Friday is of limited use, and while a gap of 0.332 seconds between the fastest Mercedes and the fastest Ferrari is the biggest gap in an FP2 session this year save for the Australia season opener, it is in itself not a major drama - even with Red Bull breathing down Ferrari's neck and 0.270s behind.



PURE PACE RANKING (FP2)
1. Mercedes (Bottas) 1m28.496s
2. Ferrari (Raikkonen) 1m28.828s
3. Red Bull (Verstappen) 1m29.098s
4. Renault (Hulkenberg) 1m29.936s
5. Williams (Massa) 1m30.006s
6. McLaren (Alonso) 1m30.238s
7. Force India (Ocon) 1m30.383s
8. Toro Rosso (Sainz) 1m30.555s
9. Haas (Grosjean) 1m30.661s
10. Sauber (Ericsson) 1m31.616s

On long-run pace, things look more concerning for Ferrari. The gap between Lewis Hamilton's pace, based on six flying laps using super-softs, and Ferrari's Sebastian Vettel - who was best of the rest - was 0.687s.

With Bottas backing that up with a near identical pace to Hamilton, averaging just 0.074s slower over a comparable sample set, not to mention the Mercedes looking very co-operative on track, things are looking promising for the Silver Arrows.

The below long-run averages take into account six flying laps, all using super-soft rubber. Sauber and Toro Rosso did not complete meaningful long-runs on the super-softs to be included in this classification.

Pirellis anticipates a two-stop race, with tyre wear not a problem but thermal wear a concern and a risk of some blistering. So the super-soft pace is a limited window of performance, but one that allows a straight comparison from team to team.



LONG-RUN PACE RANKING (six laps)
1. Mercedes (Hamilton) 1m32.759s
2. Ferrari (Vettel) 1m33.446s
3. Red Bull (Verstappen) 1m33.744s
4. Williams (Massa) 1m33.905s
5. Renault (Hulkenberg) 1m34.630s*
6. Force India (Perez) 1m34.637s
7. McLaren (Alonso) 1m34.643s*
8. Haas (Grosjean) 1m34.691s
*five-lap average

What's more, the gap between Ferrari and Red Bull is much the same. No wonder the ever-improving Milton Keynes squad is optimistic about making a fight of it for best of the rest. So when Daniel Ricciardo talked up his team's pace relative to Ferrari's it was definitely not without foundation.

The Red Bull certainly looked impressive on track. Watching in the Maggotts/Becketts complex, a spectacular, fast left-right-left-right-left complex (if you include Chapel that leads onto the Hangar Straight), this is a sequence that can't fail to be honest about a car's high speed performance.

The Mercedes looks very untroubled. The Red Bull, at times, looked stunning in terms of direction change and speed carried. The Ferrari, as always, looked decent but both Vettel and Kimi Raikkonen seemed slightly more troubled here. A spin for the German in FP1 here was testament to that, with the car just a little bit harder to drive and certainly less predictable for the drivers.

So how worried should Ferrari be? Arguably, it should be far more concerned about Red Bull's pace than that of Mercedes. The battle between Ferrari and Mercedes has ebbed and flowed all season and Silverstone is an atypical circuit, so this might just one of those weekends when Maranello has to accept second best.



GARY ANDERSON: "The gap from Mercedes to Ferrari certainly looks bigger, although it seems to have been reasonably black and white in recent races that it is the faster car in qualifying. And while Red Bull is not in there yet it's definitely close enough to cause a headache for Ferrari.

"The trend this season has usually been for Ferrari, when Mercedes has been quicker, to not worry too much because the gap was closed in the race. But that assistance for Ferrari is diminishing and, based on today, you have to question whether it has enough to make up the deficit. Red Bull being close enough potentially to get stuck in the middle could complicate things.

"So why are we seeing this? It might be that Ferrari is struggling a fraction with where they are taking the car to. The sidepod concept was something nobody else has on their car, and it has done well so far. But Ferrari can't follow anyone's development direction with it, and when you have such a complicated arrangement any modifications to the car can have a bigger impact.

"In Austria, Ferrari introduced a new front wing with a larger cord-section main plane. So this was a one-piece part rather than two-piece. That will change the characteristics of the car and I'm not sure it's 100% for the better in terms of consistency of the aerodynamics.

"I don't have Ferrari's data to look at, but you would expect that to increase low/medium-speed downforce but give you airflow separation problems at high speed. It'll make the car harder to drive and understand in such corners, particularly a complex like Maggotts/Becketts.

"If this is Ferrari's problem, then the team won't be looking forward to Spa or Suzuka with high-speed corners. In Ferrari's position, I'd consider using two packages depending on the circuit and the required aero characteristics because different tracks have different demands."



Ricciardo talked up Red Bull's hopes of taking the fight to the Ferraris, and there is real reason for Ferrari to be concerned. In terms of raw pace, looking in percentage terms based on the fastest Red Bull lap compared to the fastest individual lap of the weekend, this is actually the team's second-strongest of the 10 so far this year.

The strongest was Monaco, and this is the first time Red Bull has been within 1% of the pace since that race, floating around the 1.3-1.5% off mark in Canada, Azerbaijan and Austria. But that isn't enough to explain the fact Red Bull seems to be in the ballpark to bother Ferrari.

So if Ferrari carries this form into Saturday and Sunday, and remember things can and do change after Friday practice, then that does justify questions being asked about its development progress.

The other concern for Ferrari is the performance of Bottas. Again, the Finn was very close to Hamilton today and, if you were to run qualifying and the race based on the performance profile we would see today, you would expect a Mercedes front row lock-out and a one-two.

Those days where Vettel could be more confident of finishing ahead of Bottas even if Mercedes was faster have gone. But Bottas's five-place gearbox change penalty is certainly some very positive news for the red corner.



GARY ANDERSON: "Valtteri Bottas coming of age has been the big story of the past few races. When you move to a genuinely frontrunning team, things are different and he's spent six months learning to the point where he's now capable of dotting all of the i's and crossing all the t's.

"At Williams, a good day was a decent finish in the points. At Mercedes, anything off the podium is a bad day. You need to be on it consistently and Bottas now is. Look at Baku; beating Lance Stroll to second was not really about the last lap, it was about ensuring that he didn't leave time on the table once he had dropped back. Had he left a tenth or two behind, he wouldn't have been second. Then came Austria.

"If I had £10 going spare, I'd put it on Bottas for the title because we have seen in the past sometimes things do go wrong for Hamilton, even though he is still ahead in the points and you would expect him to be the favourite given he has already won three titles."

Whether this possibility of a weekend dominated by Mercedes, with Ferrari more worried about ensuring it stays ahead of Red Bull than gets ahead, reaches fruition remains to be seen. Certainly, Red Bull's drivers were noticeably well hooked up from the start of practice, with Ricciardo and Verstappen visibly hugely committed through Maggotts/Becketts early on.



Red Bull doesn't have a major upgrade package here, with the next one planned for Hungary. It does have some tweaks, but there's always the risk that it started the weekend well and could slip further back again as Ferrari recovers.

GARY ANDERSON: "It's always interesting to look at the relative gain of teams from FP1 to FP2, and Red Bull didn't make progress today. Usually, Mercedes rolls the car out of the truck and is so well prepared that the car is at 99.9%, which is why you often see other teams making gains.

"It could be that Red Bull had a better Friday than Ferrari relatively speaking and has less to find tomorrow. Then there's the question of how fuel loads play into all of that."

Whatever happens, the events of Friday practice and the pattern that is starting to be hinted at does mean there will be plenty of head-scratching at Ferrari as it attempts to defend Vettel's lead in the drivers' championship.

A year ago, you would have written Ferrari off. But this now appears to be a more robust team far better equipped to recover and make the best of its package.

Based on Friday, a good recovery would constitute holding off Red Bull comfortably and being able to be close enough to bother Mercedes in the race after arguably its worst Friday since the season-opening Australian Grand Prix.

With Bottas starting sixth at best, Vettel might well sign on the dotted line for second place to Hamilton were he offered it right now.

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[mwk360]

^^^

sounds like ferrari losing development race like most said will happen by mid season

Mercs are clear ahead, even red bull aren't considering them opponents.

Red bull got a giant package coming up, whilst ferrari's upgraded parts haven't seem to make any significant improvements to catch mercs in aero and power

[Jax]

and when tomorrow ferrari wins and takes pole position will you all come here and apologize ?

[Greig]

and when tomorrow ferrari wins and takes pole position will you all come here and apologize ?

Haha nope they will just repeat the same doom and gloom next race

[JPBD]

^^^

sounds like ferrari losing development race like most said will happen by mid season

Mercs are clear ahead, even red bull aren't considering them opponents.

Red bull got a giant package coming up, whilst ferrari's upgraded parts haven't seem to make any significant improvements to catch mercs in aero and power

The way you carry on is really annoying. Blah blah blah

[Schumiklub]

^^^

sounds like ferrari losing development race like most said will happen by mid season

Mercs are clear ahead, even red bull aren't considering them opponents.

Red bull got a giant package coming up, whilst ferrari's upgraded parts haven't seem to make any significant improvements to catch mercs in aero and power

Are you sure you're a Ferrari fan? I don't see us losing the development race, we're equal if not faster than Mercedes in race trim. Red Bull is nowhere, just look at the qualy times today.


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[gjoko-mkd]

25 HP gain:


http://www.autobild.de/artikel/forme...-10929053.html

[Jax]

25 HP gain:


http://www.autobild.de/artikel/forme...-10929053.html

this cannot be true if we had really +25 hp we would have stuck it on pole with some margin ...

[Stormy]

this cannot be true if we had really +25 hp we would have stuck it on pole with some margin ...

Yeah, Ted said 10hp. Bias?

[sxviper698]

They give ham that boost at qualiy cause he is going for most poles ever. When the race comes he will be just in front and hopefully we will overcut or undercut him.

[From Treviso]

this cannot be true if we had really +25 hp we would have stuck it on pole with some margin ...

The fact the Vettel was slower than Kimi, which is usually the other way around, suggests that Vettel didn't extract the most he could. Also, Valtieri was behind both Ferraris, suggesting the speed from Lewis has come from his set up and himself - it could be a situation of Lewis excelling and Kimi and Seb flailing their best attempts. If Kimi was in the Mercedes and Lewis in the Ferrari, I think the gap between the two will be almost nill or even in the Ferrari's favour - it's just that it's Lewis's home track where he's really hooked up well, just ask Valtieri!

[kinkas]

The fact the Vettel was slower than Kimi, which is usually the other way around, suggests that Vettel didn't extract the most he could. Also, Valtieri was behind both Ferraris, suggesting the speed from Lewis has come from his set up and himself - it could be a situation of Lewis excelling and Kimi and Seb flailing their best attempts. If Kimi was in the Mercedes and Lewis in the Ferrari, I think the gap between the two will be almost nill or even in the Ferrari's favour - it's just that it's Lewis's home track where he's really hooked up well, just ask Valtieri!

Timing from Ferrari in sending Vettel for his 2nd attempt was not ideal. His preparation lap was disturbed by him letting by cars in flying laps. He was already down in sector by 0.2s. Whatever they did to that new engine it kept the status quo. Vettel would have been on par with Lewis time. I just can't understand all the doomers in here.

[nani_s23]

Timing from Ferrari in sending Vettel for his 2nd attempt was not ideal. His preparation lap was disturbed by him letting by cars in flying laps. He was already down in sector by 0.2s. Whatever they did to that new engine it kept the status quo. Vettel would have been on par with Lewis time. I just can't understand all the doomers in here.

Yup basically the preparation of his new set SS tyres went wrong. Else he would have been closer to ham lap time.
But still vet wouldn't have cracked ham lap time.

[Jax]

Yup basically the preparation of his new set SS tyres went wrong. Else he would have been closer to ham lap time.
But still vet wouldn't have cracked ham lap time.

he would have gotten to 1 or 2 tenth of it :)

[nani_s23]

he would have gotten to 1 or 2 tenth of it :)

Yeah...

[Jax]

Yeah...

which means that at least we are on the same level as mercs in dev race :)

[bondilad]

Is it safe to assume that the oil burning contrevasy is a thing of the past considering where bottas qualified ? He said he couldn't get the tyres up to temperature on the final run.

[nani_s23]

Is it safe to assume that the oil burning contrevasy is a thing of the past considering where bottas qualified ? He said he couldn't get the tyres up to temperature on the final run.

Obviously. There's no huge effect.
But Mercedes still has that engine boost in quali. Some how they are finding that extra bit ahead of us.

[jgonzalesm6]

But Mercedes still has that engine boost in quali. Some how they are finding that extra bit ahead of us.

It is mind-boggling and that brutal lap yest. by Lewis...that car is dialed in for this track. It was a mix of emotions for me. First I was like....Jeeeezuus that thing is on rails as he was killing each sector but at the same time it was de-moralizing....sigh

[Stormy]

Is it safe to assume that the oil burning contrevasy is a thing of the past considering where bottas qualified ? He said he couldn't get the tyres up to temperature on the final run.

I thought he made a mistake and locked a tire.

[bondilad]

I thought he made a mistake and locked a tire.

He said that cost him only tenth.

[Stormy]

He said that cost him only tenth.

Oh, right.

[nani_s23]

It is mind-boggling and that brutal lap yest. by Lewis...that car is dialed in for this track. It was a mix of emotions for me. First I was like....Jeeeezuus that thing is on rails as he was killing each sector but at the same time it was de-moralizing....sigh

Yeah. Ham nailed it.
It's just getting into that rythm n finding that sweet spot.
Ham finding that whenever he's having a good FP's.
Ferrari or vet wouldn't have matched that lap time, but would have been within 2ths of that lap. As Kimi was closer with .5ths of ham.

[tifosi1993]

Mercedes back to their 2014-2016 beast mode. I don't see us winning any championship this year.

[Stormy]

Mercedes back to their 2014-2016 beast mode. I don't see us winning any championship this year.

We'll see. Ups and downs. Summer break comes after Hungary and a lot of development can be done, right?

[JPBD]

Mercedes back to their 2014-2016 beast mode. I don't see us winning any championship this year.

Sport must be so boring when you've already decided on the outcome. I actually pity your boring life.

[nani_s23]

Sport must be so boring when you've already decided on the outcome. I actually pity your boring life.

What he said was right. It's a fact, mercs back to beast mode.
When u watch the race bottas on 32 lap old tyres matching Ferrari pace on SS tyres. What was that to??
By looking at that I simply turned off this season.
I know it's so early, but to be honest I don't have hope.