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Thread: 2nd Winter Testing 7th March - 10th March 2017, Barcelona

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    KARUN CHANDHOK: Been to see cars at Turn 3, 4 and 5 now. The Ferrari and Mercedes are in a class of their own. I find it really interesting that the Mercedes looks to have much less rake than the Red Bull or Force India who have traditionally had the higher rear ride height, but also less than the Ferrari. They're obviously still generating the front downforce somehow. At turn 5 it's clear that the driveability and traction from the Merc is still the gold standard though.
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    Some long run comparisons...

    Vettel (medium tyres): 1:23.22; 1:23.493; 1:23.792; 1:23.859; 1:23.795; 1:23.734; 1:23.679; 1:23.618; 1:23.546; 1:23.403; 1:24.390; 1:24.197; 1:24.268; 1:25.106; 1:25.818; 1:25.900; 1:29.662; 1:24.716; 1:24.978

    Bottas (soft tyres): 1:24.151; 1:23.855; 1:23.383; 1:23.530; 1:23.508; 1:23.643; 1:23.849; 1:23.641; 1:23.637; 1:23.816; 1:23.927; 1:23.637; 1:23.563; 1:23.629; 1:23.537; 1:23.577; 1:23.604; 1:36.581; 1:23.177

    Ricciardo (soft tyres): 1:24.470; 1:24.530; 1:24.850; 1:24.556; 1:24.586; 1:24.586; 1:24.171; 1:24.184; 1:24.638; 1:24.274; 1:24.784; 1:24.715; 1:24.641; 1:24.743; 1:24.544; 1:24.652; 1:24.591; 1:24.939; 1:24.859

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    Race sim complete.

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    Vettel pits in the Ferrari and he has completed his race simulation (only interrupted by the red flag). Numbers to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs316 View Post
    Vettel pits in the Ferrari and he has completed his race simulation (only interrupted by the red flag). Numbers to follow.

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    Vet race sim looks biblical

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    1st stint (16 laps): Soft
    2nd stint (19 laps) : Soft
    Final stint (32 laps) : Medium

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    The car is so sexy! I hope we get a nose as Mercedes and it will perfect! Thanks for the photos, btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zike View Post
    Vet race sim looks biblical

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    I really like how the car looks on the track!!!

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    Chequered flag. Sebastian Vettel's time while sandbagging this morning remains good enough to top the penultimate day of testing at Barcelona.

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    Solid mileage from both ferrari and Haas today

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    Still too many variables to read anything into, but it looks like Ferrari has built a better car than last year and hopefully that means we wont be seeing them flounder around in 5th and 6th place in Oz qualifying.
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    I wonder if any aero changes have been made so far this week or if the team are saving that for Melbourne

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    Yes there are still to many variables, but this car went very fast and on target to meet the 5 second race improvement predicted, and we should not forget the token system that prevented Ferrari from improving their engine after the blunder Ferrari made at the start of the hybrid engine. `for me I expect Ferrari to be up there with Mercedes, lastly, if Adrian Newey was so good i wonder why they could not topple Mercedes over three season.

    People say Ferrari was running with less fuel I doubt this very much because they can't make the same mistake this year. all the coming for pitstops was just to tease people into thinking he was running light.

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    They also didn't do a complete race sim, probably not to allow the competition to work out exactly how much fuel was in the tank. Also possibly to make them think there isn't enough fuel to complete a race sim - high fuel consumption?

    I am certainly very pleased to see the methodology they have adopted this year in testing. Put your head down and get your test program finished, and don't give too much away to the competition. It's been a few years I have been this excited about the start of a season. The car looks amazing, not Merc level amazing, but pretty close, and I feel there is much more potential there. Here's to a cracking season, welcome back F1.

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    Andrew Benson Chief F1 writer
    Right, now the dust has settled after that little pre-lunch lap-time excitement, letís have a little think about what it might all mean. Sebastian Vettel set a 1:19.0 on ultras and a 19.3 on super-softs in the Ferrari. But a) it seems he may have deliberately backed off on both those laps; and b) he did a 19.3 on the softs - which should theoretically be at least a second slower than the ultras and 0.6-0.7secs off the supers. So letís take that 19.3 as his benchmark. Meanwhile, Lewis Hamilton did a 19.3 on the ultra-softs. But we already know he can do at least a 19.84 on the softs from Tuesday.In theory, that puts the Ferrari 0.5secs up on the Mercedes. HoweverÖ Traditionally, Ferrari run less fuel in their cars in testing than Mercedes do. Of course itís possible that they have changed that, but letís assume for a moment that both teams are doing the same as normal.Mercedes are widely believed to run about 60kg of fuel in their car in testing - thatís two secondsí worth; Ferrari about 30kg - thatís one second.So if thatís the case here, Vettelís potential quickest lap on qualifying-level low fuel is an 18.3 on softs. Hamiltonís is a 17.8. A half-second advantage for the Mercedes. Which based on recent history, is probably about what would be expected. Perhaps thatís why Vettel said Ferrari have a lot of work to do...
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    The ferrari looks really good in those red supersofts

    Besides the race sim, I wonder if Kimi will do some low fuel runs as well. Would be interesting to compare the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fronaldo View Post
    Its Benson you know
    How much you want to bet if it were the Merc he was talking about he'd try and extrapolate out their fastest possible time instead of going with the "we'll go with the 19.3 as the benchmark?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fronaldo View Post
    Its Benson you know
    We could take the front row, win the race and lap the entire field in Oz and Benson would still have Mercedes ahead of us. He's a dreadful, dreadful little man with a big chip on his shoulder. He and "Sir" Ron Badloser are cut from the same cloth..
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    Mercedes & Red Bull not worried by Ferrari pace shown by Vettel on Thursday AMuS

    According to the calculations of Mercedes, Vettel would have come on a lap time of 1.18.6 minutes. ... Is there a wake-up call? Mercedes boss engineer Andrew Shovlin beckons: "We do not panic." ... From team circles, we hear that Mercedes has always driven with sufficient petrol in the tank and never with full engine power during the seven test days. The car is quite badly worn after seven days, which brings with it aerodynamic losses. ... The Mercedes engineers are therefore confident that one could crack the 1.18 brand, if only wanted. Pirelli technician Mario Isola is pleased: "Exactly what our simulations have prophesied." ... Also the Red Bull was sent with neat petrol in the tank on the line. And according to calculations of the competition cost the problems with the Renault engine still cost 7 tenths.Renault will only be able to turn on the power fully in Melbourne. ... Christian Horner concludes from the fact that Mercedes is three tenths ahead of Red Bull and Ferrari.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Singer View Post
    We could take the front row, win the race and lap the entire field in Oz and Benson would still have Mercedes ahead of us. He's a dreadful, dreadful little man with a big chip on his shoulder. He and "Sir" Ron Badloser are cut from the same cloth..
    Haha..Benson the anti Ferrari..How can he guess that calculations beyond me especially the "Traditionally Ferrari run xxx less fuel than Mercedes".Did Ferrari not learn from the past?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Singer View Post
    We could take the front row, win the race and lap the entire field in Oz and Benson would still have Mercedes ahead of us. He's a dreadful, dreadful little man with a big chip on his shoulder. He and "Sir" Ron Badloser are cut from the same cloth..
    Typical UK lazy journalism always biased even when it is so glaring that this is very good Ferrari car

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    But why are this idiots alway assuming that Ferrari is running low on Fuel, I can't just get it
    Last edited by vetalo; 9th March 2017 at 18:58.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vetalo View Post
    But why are this idiots alway assuming that Ferrari is running low on Fuel, I can just get it
    And did they think we're running full power?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vetalo View Post
    But why are this idiots alway assuming that Ferrari is running low on Fuel, I can just get it
    Ever had a fight with a big guy and you told him that you're not afraid of him ? And then ended getting the hiding of your life ??


    Well you see, this is pretty much the same thing...........They just don't know how big a punch we're gonna give them..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Singer View Post
    We could take the front row, win the race and lap the entire field in Oz and Benson would still have Mercedes ahead of us. He's a dreadful, dreadful little man with a big chip on his shoulder. He and "Sir" Ron Badloser are cut from the same cloth..
    You said it

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    My bet is that Ferrari have the slight advantage taking into account that the team is most likely trying to simulate the same conditions Mercedes are using based off of previous years times and calculations. Both teams were probably running very similar fuel loads and engine mapping for both at conservative but still competetive levels. Ferrari has no advantage to try attempting to run the car in a true qualifying spec all out in every sector and showing their cards. You dont win championships by having pre season bragging rights. Ferrari learned the hard way last year and it was rather embarrasing.

    I expect a lot of changes this year with where teams actually will run based off the drastic rule changes. Last year Ferrari struggled to find the balance and speed through turns. In fact, they never figured it out. Vettel has already said these new regulations are like asprin- it fixes everything. I think Vettel is extremely happy with the car and how far and hard he can push it. Testing has shown the Ferrari to be very fast and stable. The advantage Ferrari have gained over other teams I believe is that they will be able to maximize downforce into and out of turns and be able to apply more power to the pavement. Mercedes went with an aero approach to better refine what was working for them. I think they made a mistake by discounting Ferraris resolve to attack and maximize downforce and now they are scrambling a bit to match Ferraris innovation with the sidepods and downforce.

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    This guy keeps saying that the Ferrari looks twitchy, i have not heard of this from anyone else.


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