Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2017 - Race

[stefa]

Azerbaijan GP: Could Sebastian Vettel face further punishment for Lewis Hamilton collisions?
Vettel hit Hamilton twice in Baku; German handed 10-second stop-and-go penalty by stewards; Reports claim title leader was close to disqualification.

Sebastian Vettel could potentially face further punishment for his Azerbaijan GP collisions with Lewis Hamilton amid reports the title leader was close to being disqualified.

Reports in Germany claim Vettel's lead of the world championship, and the reluctance of the stewards to interfere with the title battle, may have been a factor in them only imposing a 10-second stop-and-go penalty

Four-time world champion Vettel accused Hamilton of "brake-testing" him after running into the rear of the Mercedes behind the Safety Car on lap 19 of Sunday's race.

Vettel moved alongside Hamilton to gesticulate and swerved into him, their cars banging wheels and the championship leader being handed a 10-second stop-and-go penalty, and three points on his super licence, as a result.

Both during and after the race, Hamilton stated his belief that the punishment was not severe enough and described Vettel's conduct as "dangerous", "disgusting" and "disgraceful".

So may Vettel not yet be off the hook?

The FIA has the scope to hand down further punishment should they determine the initial ruling not sufficient.

Any actions deemed to have brought the sport into disrepute can be dealt with under Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, and this provides an almost limitless range of punishment.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/124...lton-collision

I imagine, best possible scenario for them would be to disqualyfied SV and handle WDC emediatelly to LH. Right? No. Gentlemans! We will fight, you, and every one till the last daying breath!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

Azerbaijan GP: Could Sebastian Vettel face further punishment for Lewis Hamilton collisions?
Vettel hit Hamilton twice in Baku; German handed 10-second stop-and-go penalty by stewards; Reports claim title leader was close to disqualification.

Sebastian Vettel could potentially face further punishment for his Azerbaijan GP collisions with Lewis Hamilton amid reports the title leader was close to being disqualified.

Reports in Germany claim Vettel's lead of the world championship, and the reluctance of the stewards to interfere with the title battle, may have been a factor in them only imposing a 10-second stop-and-go penalty

Four-time world champion Vettel accused Hamilton of "brake-testing" him after running into the rear of the Mercedes behind the Safety Car on lap 19 of Sunday's race.

Vettel moved alongside Hamilton to gesticulate and swerved into him, their cars banging wheels and the championship leader being handed a 10-second stop-and-go penalty, and three points on his super licence, as a result.

Both during and after the race, Hamilton stated his belief that the punishment was not severe enough and described Vettel's conduct as "dangerous", "disgusting" and "disgraceful".

So may Vettel not yet be off the hook?

The FIA has the scope to hand down further punishment should they determine the initial ruling not sufficient.

Any actions deemed to have brought the sport into disrepute can be dealt with under Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, and this provides an almost limitless range of punishment.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/124...lton-collision

no more further punishement for Seb. Its done with regards to serving Seb "additional" penalties. Period!!!

[Red is Best]

Yeah DSQ him from the next 10 races an maybe add a life sentence for good measure.

[Tony]

It kind of looked like they were trying to avoid impacting the championship fight with the talk of looking at the incident between Vettel and LH after the race then suddenly giving him the penalty when Hamilton had issues with his headrest.... they seemed to try to smooth out the impact by calling them in virtually at the same time...

[stefa]

It kind of looked like they were trying to avoid impacting the championship fight with the talk of looking at the incident between Vettel and LH after the race then suddenly giving him the penalty when Hamilton had issues with his headrest.... they seemed to try to smooth out the impact by calling them in virtually at the same time...

Which was stupid and not fair. LH went to box because of problem with head support, that was not punishment. If they gave SV 10 sec stop and go, than LH should have got one too!!! No matter he was already in box for other reasons!!!

[Greig]

FIA said there was no brake test, so he was not getting a penalty. Seb clearly deserved his penalty. Come on guys be honest

[DelMar]

FIA said there was no brake test, so he was not getting a penalty. Seb clearly deserved his penalty. Come on guys be honest

Actually, the British media is reporting but I am not sure anyone really knows where such a FIA statement is :) I have read the short one-page steward's report, it does not mention anything about Lewis at all.

[nani_s23]

FIA said there was no brake test, so he was not getting a penalty. Seb clearly deserved his penalty. Come on guys be honest

If FIA had said that, why don't release official telemetry video or data of it. Which could prove that vet is totally wrong.
Kindly watch the video twice or thrice. You can clearly get that ham brake tested vet. But after that what vet did too was wrong. I thought his both hands were off the steering . I was wrong.
Both deserved penalties. Vet more than ham.

Also, vet was given penalty for side swipe to ham. Not for ramming into hamster rear end. This is important point to be noted.

[nani_s23]

Vet needs to focus on next race n do all the talking on track just like earlier becoz Lewis n his media started mind games against him.
Vet needs to come strong n win next race. That would be awesome response to media n crying Hamilton.

[Ed Harley]

The Formula 1 stewards at the Azerbaijan Grand Prix found no evidence in telemetry data of Lewis Hamilton either brake-testing or lifting off unexpectedly in his clash with Sebastian Vettel.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report...ton-brake-test

[jgonzalesm6]

No brake test.....riiiiiiiiight!!!!


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whether he tapped the brakes or full on brakes.....he braked.

[Greig]

No brake test.....riiiiiiiiight!!!!





whether he tapped the brakes or full on brakes.....he braked.

As would most drivers as they were preparing to restart the race no? Braking to warm the brakes is not a brake test.

[Greig]

If FIA had said that, why don't release official telemetry video or data of it. Which could prove that vet is totally wrong.
Kindly watch the video twice or thrice. You can clearly get that ham brake tested vet. But after that what vet did too was wrong. I thought his both hands were off the steering . I was wrong.
Both deserved penalties. Vet more than ham.

Also, vet was given penalty for side swipe to ham. Not for ramming into hamster rear end. This is important point to be noted.

Why don't Ferrari protest the incident? Because they know there was no brake test....

[DelMar]

The Formula 1 stewards at the Azerbaijan Grand Prix found no evidence in telemetry data of Lewis Hamilton either brake-testing or lifting off unexpectedly in his clash with Sebastian Vettel.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report...ton-brake-test

I have read all these... What I am looking for is anything that FIA has actually said, information, media release, etc. I have not yet read a single sentence attributed to FIA or stewards in any of these reports.

[Christopher]

No brake test.....riiiiiiiiight!!!!


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whether he tapped the brakes or full on brakes.....he braked.

The FIA wouldn't lie the onscreen graphics aren't exactly reliable what Hamilton did by not accelerating was naughty but didn't break any rules

[GrndLkNatv]

The FIA wouldn't lie the onscreen graphics aren't exactly reliable what Hamilton did by not accelerating was naughty but didn't break any rules

Let's put some context around this. The FIA never apply the rules equally and in the same fashion all the time, they have very little integrity in this department, then you throw in a photo, which shows Hamilton breaking, the FIA says he was not, but's it more than obvious that he drastically slowed down in video of this incident and what you get is a bunch of confusion, even less integrity for the FIA and everyone pointing fingers... The rules in this regard are vague, so it's really anyone's game here, nobody is clearly right and nobody is clearly wrong.

According to scarbs:

"No car may be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous whilst the SC is deployed"

And we all know that Hamilton is a nut behind the safety car before a restart so do they enforce this, not..

The second incident, Seb plowing into Ham, that was obvious..

[GrndLkNatv]

The FIA wouldn't lie the onscreen graphics aren't exactly reliable what Hamilton did by not accelerating was naughty but didn't break any rules

Depends on how you decide to enforce the rules:

"No car may be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous whilst the SC is deployed"

Hamilton is always very erratic behind the safety before the SC comes in.. Unnecessarily slowly, erratic, a definite yes..

Notice the sentence structure, it doesn't say unnecessarily slowly, erratically and in a manner, it says unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner. In a court of law, Hamilton is guilty. Any half witted attorney could take him down with this, if it in a legal situation.

[mwk360]

Well said

http://www.intelligencerpost.com/lew...oved-champion/

[Ed Harley]

Was there a poll or was it the writer's opinion?

Who won?

[wappad]

Well said

http://www.intelligencerpost.com/lew...oved-champion/

[Christopher]

Let's put some context around this. The FIA never apply the rules equally and in the same fashion all the time, they have very little integrity in this department, then you throw in a photo, which shows Hamilton breaking, the FIA says he was not, but's it more than obvious that he drastically slowed down in video of this incident and what you get is a bunch of confusion, even less integrity for the FIA and everyone pointing fingers... The rules in this regard are vague, so it's really anyone's game here, nobody is clearly right and nobody is clearly wrong.

According to scarbs:

"No car may be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous whilst the SC is deployed"

And we all know that Hamilton is a nut behind the safety car before a restart so do they enforce this, not..

The second incident, Seb plowing into Ham, that was obvious..

i don't agree with hamiltons move but he didn't break any rules he wasnt erratically braking he was just slow imo vettel and hamilton should discuss apologise and move on sadly its seems a certain triple world champ wants the vettel bashing from the media to continue

[Jax]

i don't agree with hamiltons move but he didn't break any rules he wasnt erratically braking he was just slow imo vettel and hamilton should discuss apologise and move on sadly its seems a certain triple world champ wants the vettel bashing from the media to continue

Vettel just got angry ...

[Christopher]

Vettel just got angry ...

but by getting angry hes cost himself a win he needs to learn to control his angrier and not hit other drivers or he will get harsher penalty such as race bans or a black flag

[Jax]

but by getting angry hes cost himself a win he needs to learn to control his angrier and not hit other drivers or he will get harsher penalty such as race bans or a black flag

no kidding. he would have won the race :D . Next time he better stay cool

[Stormy]

Well said

http://www.intelligencerpost.com/lew...oved-champion/

Nice stuff by Sir Jackie, gotta love that man. Always telling like it is.

[wappad]

but by getting angry hes cost himself a win he needs to learn to control his angrier and not hit other drivers or he will get harsher penalty such as race bans or a black flag

You never know for sure if he would have won without the 'dive' into the Merc.

Seb will be Seb and Lewis will be Lewis..

I know Seb made a mistake, felt bad about it, but what a race of him after his stop and go..Man!!

And I will support Seb as long as he's fighting for the Scuderia

By the way, Mansell/Senna Portugal '89.. I think that would have made easily double the number of pages of this thread

[alluri84]

Well said

http://www.intelligencerpost.com/lew...oved-champion/

And this by Allan McNish

BBC 5 live analyst and former F1 driver Allan McNish

"It was a bit of a misunderstanding.

"It was actually a bit of a comedy in a way. It was a sideswipe, whether by intentional or by accident, we don't know.

"Hamilton is trying to win his fourth world title, to match Vettel's four. Vettel is trying to pull away and win a fifth.

"All these comments are mind games, building up the pressure. Lewis Hamilton was playing mind games on the circuit, too. When it came to the next safety car restart, they were in the same position and guess what? He went even slower.

"To me it is all part of the love and war of a world championship in F1."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/40404462

[458 Italia]

I have a lot of time for Allan McNish, he's someone with a great insight to what it's like to race in F1 and Le Mans/WEC and with that immense knowledge.

[JPBD]

I CANT BELIEVE this is still going on. People praise Vettel as being like Schumacher when it's positive and suits them, but when it's in a negative way he's a monster. Michael had the exact same reputation, and watching what Vettel did on track... all I could see was Michael.

It's easy to hold your heros to an impossible standard... but ultimately everyone is human, and makes mistakes. I think Vettel did do it intentionally, and I think it was wrong. But the rest is absolutely mind games. Ultimately it did not affect Lewis' race. If it had taken him out of the race then sure disqualify him. But it didn't. It didn't do anything.

People seem to forget that most historic great champions have had this tendency. Schumacher, Senna, etc

You have to take the good with the bad. Seb is not perfect. This was a silly thing to do. Just like Michael in Monaco 2006... but I loved every second of it because it makes sport INTERESTING.

Don't forget, if nothing interesting ever happens, no one would watch. This is great for formula 1.

But Lewis is absolutely playing mind games. Vettel needs to come out and win the next one and move on. This forum is testament to the fact that people have SHORT MEMORIES.

[nani_s23]

Why don't Ferrari protest the incident? Because they know there was no brake test....

MA said will do the talking on track not on media or somewhere.
Look at comments from MA. Which is right I feel.
He too mentioned unfortunately we are on the receiving side which is totally one sided. Now we can't go and argue with that. Just we will do the talking on track.