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    McLaren to run Ferrari Engines? Sauber to run Mercedes Engines ?

    Sauber's deal to run Honda engines in Formula 1 in 2018 has been called off, according to multiple sources.

    Reports emerging from Germany on Tuesday had suggested Honda had cancelled the deal, following the departure of team principal Monisha Kaltenborn.

    But sources with good knowledge of the situation have indicated matters are slightly different, and that the contract between Sauber and Honda announced earlier this year was never officially completed and activated.

    That has led to a situation where Sauber's owner has in recent days decided it would now prefer to look elsewhere for a engine for 2018, meaning the Honda deal will not happen.

    When asked for a response to the situation, a Honda spokesperson said: "This is purely media speculation, and we do not comment on speculation.

    "Honda's relationship with Sauber has not changed."

    The Honda deal had been put together by Kaltenborn, who left the team shortly before the Azerbaijan Grand Prix.

    At the time Pascal Picci, chairman of Sauber owner Longbow Finance, said that Kaltenborn's departure was "by mutual consent and due to diverging views of the future of the company".

    It is believed that a disagreement over the Honda deal was one of the reasons behind Kaltenborn's sudden exit.

    In effect the new owner decided that the team could not afford to be uncompetitive next season, and that it had to focus on getting a decent engine.

    Sauber has already struggled for form in 2017 after Kaltenborn committed it to running year-old Ferrari engines, which are not being developed.

    Picci was unavailable for comment.

    It is not yet clear what route Sauber will take for an engine now.

    While extending its long-time deal with Ferrari is the most obvious option, it is understood that might not be so straightforward, in part because McLaren has emerged as a surprise contender for a second customer supply deal alongside Haas.

    McLaren had been widely tipped to secure Mercedes engines if its split with Honda went ahead, but there is now understood to be a chance of an alliance with Ferrari.

    With Mercedes open to supplying an extra customer next year, if McLaren goes with Ferrari then Mercedes could do a deal with Sauber - especially since the Swiss team currently runs its junior Pascal Wehrlein.

    Renault Sport's Cyril Abiteboul recently confirmed that the French manufacturer is able to supply another team in 2018.

    But one source has suggested the announcement of former Renault F1 team boss Fred Vasseur as the new team principal at Sauber could derail any deal, given Vasseur's departure from Renault at the end of last season.

    It remains to be seen what impact the collapse of the Sauber deal will have on Honda's wider plans.

    The Sauber arrangement guaranteed Honda a presence in the 2018 F1 field even if there was a split with McLaren, allowing it to continue to develop its engine in racing conditions.

    But being committed to Sauber would have meant Honda could not make a clean break from F1 by ending its deal with McLaren, or take a 'sabbatical' and spend a season or two developing its engine away from the spotlight of a racing season.
    http://www.eurosport.com/formula-1/s...14/story.shtml
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    It seems Honda is pulling out altogether.

    Interesting how it sounds - - McFerrari or McAlfa???

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    Mclaren Ferrari doesn't sound right hope it never happens it'll probably be Mclaren Mercedes and Sauber Ferrari

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Mclaren Ferrari doesn't sound right hope it never happens it'll probably be Mclaren Mercedes and Sauber Ferrari
    Well, from a proxy vote aspect, Ferrari/Alfa would want to jump all over this with Mclaren and Sauber. Ferrari would have 4 engines on the field when it comes to the politics BS

    side of F1.

    And as we were speaking.....

    McLaren linked with shock Ferrari switch

    McLaren’s potential divorce with engine supplier Honda has led to speculation about a possible partnership with Ferrari.

    http://www.planetf1.com/news/mclaren...errari-switch/
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    McLaren Alfa doesn't sound too bad

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    Ron's worst nightmare.

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    Why would you give your competitor in the supercar/hypercar market access to your hybrid engine? Seems like a mistake to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bondilad View Post
    McLaren Alfa doesn't sound too bad
    I like Alfa-McLaren myself, sounds wicked!
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    A bit late for an April Fools isn't it?
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    They have just bought Ron Dennis last 5% shares and so he is no longer anything to do with MClaren. With that its slightly believable that this deal could happen, though in 1999, I would have thought it more likely to see pictures of Elvis on the moon than that combination

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelstallions View Post
    They have just bought Ron Dennis last 5% shares and so he is no longer anything to do with MClaren. With that its slightly believable that this deal could happen, though in 1999, I would have thought it more likely to see pictures of Elvis on the moon than that combination


    Ron is a very very rich man. How much was that deal to get rid of him entirely, 500 million Euro's. I believe the Mclaren group had to use Junk bonds to finance the deal?? but

    your right, Ron Dennis has nothing to do with Mclaren or Mclaren F1 decisions; what a legacy. It will be interesting, Mclarens future in both production vehicles and F1.

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    Guys, if this is true, it means Ferrari won the rivalry. We won. We'll give them engines, they can give us Alonso.

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    If Wehlrein stays at Sauber they will get price cut on Mercedes engine. But, Ferrari-McLaren marriage, for me at least, won't happen because of McLaren's spygate history. I bet they will use Renault engine next year.
    Bye - bye, Honda. I won't miss you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brakefade View Post
    Guys, if this is true, it means Ferrari won the rivalry. We won. We'll give them engines, they can give us Alonso.
    keep dreaming mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by giulia View Post
    But, Ferrari-McLaren marriage, for me at least, won't happen because of McLaren's spygate history. I bet they will use Renault engine next year.
    Bye - bye, Honda. I won't miss you.
    McLaren-Renault. That would suit Alonso, his favourite team using his winning days engines, perfect combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrarichamp View Post
    McLaren-Renault. That would suit Alonso, his favourite team using his winning days engines, perfect combo.
    Everything is better than using that stubborn engine maker.

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    it's the apocalypse I tell ya

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    I would rather see the 2.0L diesel lump from my 5 Series in the back of an F1 Ferrari than see a Ferrari engine in a McLaren..
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    I doubt it 'll still be McLaren as a brand if they ended up with Ferrari engines.
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    Not gonna happen....."you reap what you sow." (Mclaren - Mercedes???)


    McLaren claim Mercedes and Ferrari don't want to help with 2018 engine

    Mercedes and Ferrari "like us where we are", Brown tells Sky Sports; McLaren director believes struggling Honda "can get the job done" in 2018; Alonso wants engine decision sooner rather than later

    http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/124...th-2018-engine

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Not gonna happen....."you reap what you sow." (Mclaren - Mercedes???)


    McLaren claim Mercedes and Ferrari don't want to help with 2018 engine

    Mercedes and Ferrari "like us where we are", Brown tells Sky Sports; McLaren director believes struggling Honda "can get the job done" in 2018; Alonso wants engine decision sooner rather than later

    http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/124...th-2018-engine
    It's a fierce competition out there, so this is understandable. Capitalism at its finest. Why should they help their competitors? No one wanted to help RB either so they were stuck with Renault.

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