Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 31 to 59 of 59

Thread: Halo set for 2018 introduction after Strategy Group meeting

  1. #31
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    Location
    Manila, Philippin
    Posts
    1
    I can understand the reason for the decision. Given recent head injuries, the legal exposure of not doing anything is too big. Consider a driver that can earn $50 million in a short career. they had to do something. It is not just for flying wheels. It is for running into cranes. Or cars landing on the driver. The decision is logical. Just that the solution is ugly.

  2. #32
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Posts
    5,455
    Quote Originally Posted by Pasta View Post
    I can understand the reason for the decision. Given recent head injuries, the legal exposure of not doing anything is too big. Consider a driver that can earn $50 million in a short career. they had to do something. It is not just for flying wheels. It is for running into cranes. Or cars landing on the driver. The decision is logical. Just that the solution is ugly.
    No it is not. Let's see, a 720kg vehicle running into a 3500kg crane at 100mph (JB's crash was at 125mph and his ear plug sensors registered 98g's of force to the head).

    Laws of physics dictate the 3500kg crane will win regardless of the halo at that speed.

    It was a "freak" accident in inclement weather and as we have seen recently, when cranes are brought out, they red flag the race or a SC is implemented.

  3. #33
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Skopje, Macedonia
    Posts
    2,397
    I just don't know how strong that Halo will be. If the Halo comes in contact with another object, can it brake and impale the driver? Isn't this a security risk?
    And yeah, no way this thing can save a driver going into a crane at 125mph lol. Simple physics.

    I'm against all kind of ideas regarding closing the cockpit. However, if they must do it i think jet-like canopy is what they should aim for.

  4. #34
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Posts
    5,455
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
    I just don't know how strong that Halo will be. If the Halo comes in contact with another object, can it brake and impale the driver? Isn't this a security risk?
    And yeah, no way this thing can save a driver going into a crane at 125mph lol. Simple physics.

    I'm against all kind of ideas regarding closing the cockpit. However, if they must do it i think jet-like canopy is what they should aim for.
    yep. Here's FIA video of two types of canopies....both of different materials. My vote goes for the aerospace-spec polycarbonate. Its a nitrogen cannon firing a 25kg

    wheel @ 225kph. They just need to work on the distortion. Now a fighter jet canopy is wider than an F1 car cockpit...but I'm sure it can be worked out...maybe??

    Formula 1 Jet Canopy Test

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e87HIlOIYFA

  5. #35
    FerrariSteve Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
    I just don't know how strong that Halo will be. If the Halo comes in contact with another object, can it break and impale the driver?
    I have been thinking the exact same thing. The Halo could end up being the opposite of what they intended it for.

  6. #36
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Malaysia
    Posts
    90
    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariSteve View Post
    I have been thinking the exact same thing. The Halo could end up being the opposite of what they intended it for.
    My passion for F1 is almost lost as soon as the disastrous defeat for Ferrari at Silverstone last weekend. I have convinced myself not to get too serious about the sport anymore. This Halo device thing is convincing me even further to totally forget about F1. Thank you FIA for making the sport great again.

  7. #37
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Malaysia
    Posts
    9,538
    Halo device is not aimed to be a specific remedy for Bianchi's accident.
    Driver's head protection has been a long standing issue in open wheel racing. Recent tragedy, as well as several near miss, has brought up this issue again, and this time there should be a solution.

    You can always pick aesthetics when it comes to performance design discussion, but it should never be a factor in safety design.

    Regardless, F1 car design has changed a lot through out the decades. Wings, wheel size, nose cone, engine sound, you name it. People have swore off watching F1 everytime something changes, but at the end of the day, what really matters is the competition. When we have great competition, no one is talking about the engine sound anymore.

  8. #38
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Posts
    5,455
    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Halo device is not aimed to be a specific remedy for Bianchi's accident.
    Driver's head protection has been a long standing issue in open wheel racing. Recent tragedy, as well as several near miss, has brought up this issue again, and this time there should be a solution.

    You can always pick aesthetics when it comes to performance design discussion, but it should never be a factor in safety design.

    Regardless, F1 car design has changed a lot through out the decades. Wings, wheel size, nose cone, engine sound, you name it. People have swore off watching F1 everytime something changes, but at the end of the day, what really matters is the competition. When we have great competition, no one is talking about the engine sound anymore.
    true and if I may add, fatal accidents bring bad publicity into the sport but in some countries a death brings in a coroner, inquiry, accusations of criminal neglect: 1.) to

    the constructor of the car 2.) manslaughter to the owner of the car 3.) negligence to the organizers of the track NOT TO MENTION the family sueing everyone!!!

    Insurance liability skyrockets when these things happens. This is stuff we don't see behind closed doors. If anything, the FIA is doing this (HALO) to show that they are

    at least doing something about it.

  9. #39
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Athens, Greece
    Posts
    2,298
    I can see drivers not driving in protest in 2018 first race.

    FIA is trying to force the Halo, for whatever the reasons, but they do it the wrong way. And yes, I am pretty sure that the only team supporting it is Ferrari.

    But I am really not convinced that the current design will work; in fact I am worried that at this design is more dangerous than helping.
    "If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve

  10. #40
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Posts
    5,455
    What appears to be the drivers view with the Halo. "Did the lights go out??"

    Attachment 7253

  11. #41
    Join Date
    Mar 2017
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,180
    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    What appears to be the drivers view with the Halo. "Did the lights go out??"

    Attachment 7253
    There going to be going up eau rouge blind next year

  12. #42
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Skopje, Macedonia
    Posts
    2,397
    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    What appears to be the drivers view with the Halo. "Did the lights go out??"

    Attachment 7253
    Visibility in an F1 cockpit is not really great even without the Halo. Now, it's disastrous lol.
    Let's see how it all pans out. I think it's not gonna go smoothly.

  13. #43
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    28,626
    I dont think the view is that bad driver will still see ahead and to the left and right
    Forza Ferrari

  14. #44
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    USA!
    Posts
    1,830
    Let's forget the Halo all together and have the drivers race scaled model RC cars from the safety of a padded room.

  15. #45
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Manila, PH
    Posts
    1,777
    There's a concept for F1 head protection made by a gentleman called Olcay Tuncay Karabulut making the rounds. Worth a look. I'd post in on here but I am unable to reach him to get permission.

  16. #46
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Belgrade, Serbia
    Posts
    10,798
    Uhhhhh... There will be no more this kind of beauty....

  17. #47
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Skopje, Macedonia
    Posts
    2,397
    I loved Magnussen's opinion and words regarding the Halo.
    Quote Originally Posted by stefa View Post
    Uhhhhh... There will be no more this kind of beauty....
    Awesome. Not even headrests

  18. #48
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    norCal
    Posts
    9,216
    Anybody have a drawing of what this will look like? I must have missed it

    -Lou(is)
    Forza
    Ferrari
    16/15
    36/2/13
    four

    Totus Tuus


  19. #49
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Manila, PH
    Posts
    1,777
    Quote Originally Posted by Tifoso View Post
    Anybody have a drawing of what this will look like? I must have missed it
    Did you mean the Halo system, Lou?


  20. #50
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    2,481
    I wonder if it helps or hurts getting out of the car in a hurry?

  21. #51
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Manila, PH
    Posts
    1,777
    Quote Originally Posted by Brembo View Post
    I wonder if it helps or hurts getting out of the car in a hurry?
    Can't find the sources right now, but:

    1. Alonso doesn't think getting out of the car is an issue; and
    2. There was some talk that the maximum time threshold for a driver being able to get out is going to be raised from 5 seconds to 8 seconds.

  22. #52
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Posts
    5,455
    Halo comparo @ todays Hungarian Test day 2 between the SF70-H vs W08

    Attachment 7286

  23. #53
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Manila, PH
    Posts
    1,777

  24. #54
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Posts
    5,455
    bump....

    Don't like the darn thing and I was totally against it. That being said, it looks like it saved Tadasuke Makino life during F2 at the Spanish GP 2018.

    How the halo protection device passed its first major test in F2

    https://www.autosport.com/f2/news/13...rst-major-test

    Can't really see much in the video but it's towards the end. But the pics posted tell otherwise

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lZEwfaLNbE (video)


    pics. The black marks is the rubber from the other car.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdFV8ltX0AAG7Ic.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdFV8lzX4AEWNpK.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdFV8lqX0AEBTrM.jpg


    https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/99717...g&name=600x314

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dda04-tVMAES6lD.jpg
    Last edited by jgonzalesm6; 17th May 2018 at 20:44.

  25. #55
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    2,481
    It sure looked that way! Thank's to that halo; no injury was the result . The halo also serves as a help for the semi retired drivers getting in and out of their car.

  26. #56
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Posts
    5,455
    Exclusive: Halo saved Leclerc from visor strike in Spa crash


    The FIA's official investigation in to the first corner crash at this year's Belgian Grand Prix has concluded that the halo saved Charles Leclerc from being hit on his visor by the front wing endplate of Fernando Alonso's car, Motorsport.com can reveal.


    Following weeks of analysis of video footage and data from the cars involved, the final report in to the accident has concluded that the halo did play a crucial role in saving Leclerc from injury or worse.

    The report by the FIA Global Institute, the findings of which are revealed here for the first time, have given the clearest indication yet of how well the halo stood up to the crash.

    For not only did the cockpit protection system remain ‘structurally intact and in a usable condition’ following the 58kN impact from Alonso’s right front wheel – with Sauber able to remove it without issue after the event – it also helped deflect the McLaren away.

    Pictures of the accident captured by the FIA’s high-speed cockpit camera showed that Leclerc was only hit by small pieces of carbon debris from Alonso’s car as it flew over his cockpit.

    Without the halo, however, the incident would have been worse – even though the front-wheel trajectory would not have brought it in to contact with Leclerc’s head.

    Speaking exclusively to Motorsport.com about the results of the investigation, the FIA’s Safety Director Adam Baker said: “From the available data and video footage, we are confident that the wheel would not have hit Leclerc’s helmet.

    “But, as Alonso’s car continued to yaw relative to Leclerc’s, we believe that Alonso’s front wing endplate would have just contacted Leclerc’s visor. It is difficult to predict the severity of the contact with any precision though.”

    https://cdn-5.motorsport.com/images/...s-sauber-1.jpg

    Crash data
    The official crash report in to the Spa accident, put together by the FIA Global Institute, confirmed that the main point of contact was Alonso’s right-front wheel striking the right-hand upper side of Leclerc’s halo.


    Analysis shows that the relative velocity between the two cars was approximately 30km/h, with an estimated impact angle of 90 degrees.

    This clash with the halo was enough to break the suspension on Alonso’s car, but the right-front wheel rim remained intact and the tyre appeared to have remained inflated. Leclerc’s right rear suspension was broken in the accident.

    The key findings from the report are:

    * The estimated peak force imparted on the Halo was 58kN, this being 46% of the 125kN FIA prescribed load requirement for the Halo and chassis attachment points. The contact position during the crash was close to the load application point for the homologation tests.

    *If the wheel had contacted Leclerc’s helmet with a similar force, there would have been potential for a very serious head or neck injury.

    * The energy and force of a wheel impacting the Halo are inherently limited by the speed and mass of the wheel assembly and strength of the attached suspension. If the full mass of the car had impacted the Halo loading through the primary structure, the impact energy would have been approximately 30kJ (based on 840kg at 30km/h). Such energy would have devastating consequences if it loaded directly onto the driver. However, the Halo would not be able to absorb all this energy without significant deformation and probable failure.

    *An investigation by Sauber has confirmed that the Halo structure, its attachments and the chassis were not damaged or deformed due to the engagement with the wheel.

    https://cdn-9.motorsport.com/images/...s-sauber-1.jpg


    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/l...-halo/4309428/


    FIA report into Belgian GP crash reveals how halo saved Leclerc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMymLt7NOTg&t=152s
    It's not how start but how you finish.

  27. #57
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Christchurch,UK
    Posts
    3,324
    And thank heavens it did its job and we now have an impressive young Charles to take us into the future.

  28. #58
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    2,018
    You know, I was really against the halo, but I was wrong. We could have lost Charles like we lost Jules...

  29. #59
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Christchurch,UK
    Posts
    3,324
    Quote Originally Posted by Giallo 550 View Post
    You know, I was really against the halo, but I was wrong. We could have lost Charles like we lost Jules...
    My sentiments exactly, Giallo, and maybe it would have helped Felipe avoid those terrible injuries back in 2009, not to mention other drivers who sadly didn't survive similar accidents.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •