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    I can understand the reason for the decision. Given recent head injuries, the legal exposure of not doing anything is too big. Consider a driver that can earn $50 million in a short career. they had to do something. It is not just for flying wheels. It is for running into cranes. Or cars landing on the driver. The decision is logical. Just that the solution is ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasta View Post
    I can understand the reason for the decision. Given recent head injuries, the legal exposure of not doing anything is too big. Consider a driver that can earn $50 million in a short career. they had to do something. It is not just for flying wheels. It is for running into cranes. Or cars landing on the driver. The decision is logical. Just that the solution is ugly.
    No it is not. Let's see, a 720kg vehicle running into a 3500kg crane at 100mph (JB's crash was at 125mph and his ear plug sensors registered 98g's of force to the head).

    Laws of physics dictate the 3500kg crane will win regardless of the halo at that speed.

    It was a "freak" accident in inclement weather and as we have seen recently, when cranes are brought out, they red flag the race or a SC is implemented.

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    I just don't know how strong that Halo will be. If the Halo comes in contact with another object, can it brake and impale the driver? Isn't this a security risk?
    And yeah, no way this thing can save a driver going into a crane at 125mph lol. Simple physics.

    I'm against all kind of ideas regarding closing the cockpit. However, if they must do it i think jet-like canopy is what they should aim for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
    I just don't know how strong that Halo will be. If the Halo comes in contact with another object, can it brake and impale the driver? Isn't this a security risk?
    And yeah, no way this thing can save a driver going into a crane at 125mph lol. Simple physics.

    I'm against all kind of ideas regarding closing the cockpit. However, if they must do it i think jet-like canopy is what they should aim for.
    yep. Here's FIA video of two types of canopies....both of different materials. My vote goes for the aerospace-spec polycarbonate. Its a nitrogen cannon firing a 25kg

    wheel @ 225kph. They just need to work on the distortion. Now a fighter jet canopy is wider than an F1 car cockpit...but I'm sure it can be worked out...maybe??

    Formula 1 Jet Canopy Test

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
    I just don't know how strong that Halo will be. If the Halo comes in contact with another object, can it break and impale the driver?
    I have been thinking the exact same thing. The Halo could end up being the opposite of what they intended it for.
    Common doesn't mean "Come on"; "Should have" not "Should of" ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariSteve View Post
    I have been thinking the exact same thing. The Halo could end up being the opposite of what they intended it for.
    My passion for F1 is almost lost as soon as the disastrous defeat for Ferrari at Silverstone last weekend. I have convinced myself not to get too serious about the sport anymore. This Halo device thing is convincing me even further to totally forget about F1. Thank you FIA for making the sport great again.

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    Halo device is not aimed to be a specific remedy for Bianchi's accident.
    Driver's head protection has been a long standing issue in open wheel racing. Recent tragedy, as well as several near miss, has brought up this issue again, and this time there should be a solution.

    You can always pick aesthetics when it comes to performance design discussion, but it should never be a factor in safety design.

    Regardless, F1 car design has changed a lot through out the decades. Wings, wheel size, nose cone, engine sound, you name it. People have swore off watching F1 everytime something changes, but at the end of the day, what really matters is the competition. When we have great competition, no one is talking about the engine sound anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Halo device is not aimed to be a specific remedy for Bianchi's accident.
    Driver's head protection has been a long standing issue in open wheel racing. Recent tragedy, as well as several near miss, has brought up this issue again, and this time there should be a solution.

    You can always pick aesthetics when it comes to performance design discussion, but it should never be a factor in safety design.

    Regardless, F1 car design has changed a lot through out the decades. Wings, wheel size, nose cone, engine sound, you name it. People have swore off watching F1 everytime something changes, but at the end of the day, what really matters is the competition. When we have great competition, no one is talking about the engine sound anymore.
    true and if I may add, fatal accidents bring bad publicity into the sport but in some countries a death brings in a coroner, inquiry, accusations of criminal neglect: 1.) to

    the constructor of the car 2.) manslaughter to the owner of the car 3.) negligence to the organizers of the track NOT TO MENTION the family sueing everyone!!!

    Insurance liability skyrockets when these things happens. This is stuff we don't see behind closed doors. If anything, the FIA is doing this (HALO) to show that they are

    at least doing something about it.

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    I can see drivers not driving in protest in 2018 first race.

    FIA is trying to force the Halo, for whatever the reasons, but they do it the wrong way. And yes, I am pretty sure that the only team supporting it is Ferrari.

    But I am really not convinced that the current design will work; in fact I am worried that at this design is more dangerous than helping.
    "If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve

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    What appears to be the drivers view with the Halo. "Did the lights go out??"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    What appears to be the drivers view with the Halo. "Did the lights go out??"

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    There going to be going up eau rouge blind next year

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    What appears to be the drivers view with the Halo. "Did the lights go out??"

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    Visibility in an F1 cockpit is not really great even without the Halo. Now, it's disastrous lol.
    Let's see how it all pans out. I think it's not gonna go smoothly.

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    I dont think the view is that bad driver will still see ahead and to the left and right
    Forza Ferrari

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    Let's forget the Halo all together and have the drivers race scaled model RC cars from the safety of a padded room.

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    There's a concept for F1 head protection made by a gentleman called Olcay Tuncay Karabulut making the rounds. Worth a look. I'd post in on here but I am unable to reach him to get permission.

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    Uhhhhh... There will be no more this kind of beauty....

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    I loved Magnussen's opinion and words regarding the Halo.
    Quote Originally Posted by stefa View Post
    Uhhhhh... There will be no more this kind of beauty....
    Awesome. Not even headrests

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    Anybody have a drawing of what this will look like? I must have missed it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifoso View Post
    Anybody have a drawing of what this will look like? I must have missed it
    Did you mean the Halo system, Lou?


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    I wonder if it helps or hurts getting out of the car in a hurry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brembo View Post
    I wonder if it helps or hurts getting out of the car in a hurry?
    Can't find the sources right now, but:

    1. Alonso doesn't think getting out of the car is an issue; and
    2. There was some talk that the maximum time threshold for a driver being able to get out is going to be raised from 5 seconds to 8 seconds.

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    Halo comparo @ todays Hungarian Test day 2 between the SF70-H vs W08

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