Ferrari should wait till after Singapore to introduce engines so they can keep there engines without the oil limit right away
The FIA should not be changing rules mdway through a season, they should let everyone use 1.2litres until the season so all teams are playing to the same regulations.
Well it's our own fault ferrari could have easily done the same but didn't as it's unsporting but as they say nice guys dont win you have to be ruthless to win a championship
Pretty much this. Ferrari should have been smarter about this situation and introduced the engine sooner. The question that lingers however, is whether everyone was informed of this new rule at the same time such that everyone had the same time to make the appropriate modifications.
Rest in Peace Leza, you were a true warrior...
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agreed Tony
Allison got his cozy job at Mercedes and pointed the finger at Ferrari for the oil burn (and cried wolff )......everyone else had ample time to make any modifications
regarding their PU whether it's .9ltr /100km or 1.2ltr/100km. Mercedes did and everyone else was sleeping IF they needed to make such mods.; End of story..time to move
on and hope for the best of the Scuderia.
FIA confirms mercedes can use 1.2ltr. of oil per 100km limit and the customer teams leave alone other mfrs. who are going to use the same engine is limited to 0.9ltr per 100 km.This is stupidity at its best.Why didn't the FIA drafted the rule as the 4th engine should be limited to 0.9ltr oil rule.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...-limit-946538/
At this point I imagine Jean Todt licking Toto's....aaaaaa.... guessing it's not allowed here. Never mind. I can't figure out how Todt can allow this to happen. He was OUR team principal. I'm not saying he should favor us, but for crying out loud, he seems to be doing just the opposite. I'm expecting him to be neutral but this year he seems to want the mercs to win.
http://www.motorspor...ning-rule-tweak
According to this article the FIA mislead/lied to Ferrari in Hungary that nobody would bring an upgrade at Spa in order to avoid the tweak
"Ferrari, planning to introduce an upgraded specification engine in Monza and clearly concerned in case its rival should introduce a new spec in Spa (ie exactly what happened), responded in Hungary by asking the FIA why it didn’t introduce the new restriction immediately. Ferrari received the response that no one was planning a Spa upgrade and was thus becalmed. But then, upset – Mercedes did indeed turn up with a new engine at Spa."
From another forum.
This is not good from FIA.
They should now remove this limit.
Ferrari should protest at the Monza GP...Park their powered cars across the finish line and refuse to participate until the FIA admit to Mercedes favouritism and remove this limit to encourage fair racing.
~FORZA FERRARI~
Well maybe it wasn't the FIA... could be Merc told the FIA they wouldn't introduce a new spec and FIA believed that. Merc have to be the slimiest team around so it wouldn't surprise me if they did this. But I bet they're pretty shocked that Ferrari was as fast as they were, especially after they used a new spec engine and barely beat us.
Did we NOT introduce a new Ferrari engine at Spa?
Don't forget, it could be introduced in a customer car!!
EDIT: According to an article on motorsport.com, FIA have "clarified" a few points on the oil burn issue. Although Mercedes have introduced a new ICE at Spa that limits oil use to 1.2l per 100km, when that same engine is given to its customer teams it will have to conform to the 0.9l per 100km.
Conversely, even if the new engine Ferrari supplied to Haas for Spa uses 1.2l, that same design put into a Ferrari will have to meet the 0.9l limit.
Could the FIA have been any more convoluted in trying to control the whole oil burn debacle?????? Ridiculous!
Last edited by abbottcostello; 29th August 2017 at 22:29. Reason: New Info
Forza Ferrari !
"You need great passion, because everything you do with great pleasure, you do well." - Juan Manuel Fangio
I'm curious whether or not the FIA knew that Mercedes were planning on releasing their 4th engine at SPA before answering Ferrari and whether or not they are required to inform Ferrari of this. Does anyone know the requirements?
Rest in Peace Leza, you were a true warrior...
"If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve
I don't completely agree with you.
Engines used till now were designed with the 1.2l rule in mind, what if they really consume that oil in a race? How can you use them in the remaining races?
You cannot modify them, you will be DQ on every race or forced to run them in a very conservative way losing a lot of power.
So FIA gave the manufacturers time to change their designs so new engines after SPA will have to comply with the .9l rule.
Merc will run all their engines within the 1.2l rule, Ferrari will have 3 under that rule and one with the .9l limit (per car).
Last edited by gvera; 30th August 2017 at 18:26.
I understand PU components usage is completely free, you use what you want (more than 4 with penalty of course).
I don't beleive all that 'nobody plans to use a new engine' nonsense, how can be FIA be sure of that?
Just look at Honda, they use about a dozen components at each GP.
"If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve
I think the issue is that Ferrari asked for clarification and the FIA gave them an answer that was untrue. If the article is right and Ferrari asked the FIA to implement the change at Hungary and they didn't due to the fact that no new engines were believed to be introduced before Monza, then they misled ferrari and just gave Merc an advantage. If this is the case, then the decision should be either reversed or the .9/l rule upheld for all engines used after hungary when the rule was first questioned.
The FIA has done some boneheaded things over the years, but even then there seems to have been some thought put into their actions. This whole oil burn thing has been a swing & a miss.
They have tried to get control of a situation that, I don't think, they even fully understand yet and sadly their efforts have led to an unfair stopgap solution for the 2017 season. It's doubtful they even know what chemical compounds in the oil are being used to burn & there is nothing to regulate these yet.
I would think & hope they have begun to investigate a more rational way of regulating using lubricant as a fuel.
Forza Ferrari !
"You need great passion, because everything you do with great pleasure, you do well." - Juan Manuel Fangio
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