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    Mercedes breaks 'gentleman's agreement' - report

    Belgium - A spat has reportedly broken out behind the scenes between title protagonists Mercedes and Ferrari.

    Auto Bild reports that Mercedes surprised its Italian rival by launching a new engine specification at Spa Francorchamps.

    0.9-litre rule

    The controversy surrounds the recent 'oil in fuel' saga, with the FIA having declared that as of the next race at Monza, every engine can only consume a maximum of 0.9 litres.

    But Mercedes, Ferrari and the other engine manufacturers had reportedly entered into a 'gentleman's agreement' that any upgrade released before Monza would comply with the new 0.9 litre rule.

    However, it emerges that Mercedes' brand new engine at Spa was in fact upgraded according to the existing rules allowing 1.2 litres of oil consumption -- therefore breaking the 'gentleman's agreement'.

    "Ferrari asked before Spa if any teams were planning new engines, but the answer was no," reported Germany's Sport Bild.

    Auto Bild said the FIA has confirmed that Mercedes did not breach any official rule.

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    Not surprised, really. And i don't even know why they even bothered making such an agreement.

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    Ohhh if such is the case.
    Interesting to see how Ferrari will respond to it.
    Mercs cheap tricks

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    Ohhh if such is the case.
    Interesting to see how Ferrari will respond to it.
    Mercs cheap tricks
    It's a stupid agreement after all. I don't even know why all of the manufacturers even agreed to it, it doesn't make any sense.

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    It does look slimy from the Mercs

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    Ya. Wonder if the Sky guys are going to report this as underhanded or brilliant. My guess would be brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
    It's a stupid agreement after all. I don't even know why all of the manufacturers even agreed to it, it doesn't make any sense.
    Could not agree more with you. There is nothibg like gentlemans behaivor in F1 anymore!

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    But what I don't understand is will they comply with 0.9l rule from Monza on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zike View Post
    But what I don't understand is will they comply with 0.9l rule from Monza on?
    Yes!!
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    They must or sanctions and penalties will apply typical mrec speak with fork tongues remember karma is a bitch then you drive one .

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixfsyoGKlmE

    So, since Merc introduced engine now I'd say advantage Merc
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    dirty rat mercs

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    I really hope then we beat them in Spa, that would b the best ever if we could while Merc run their new engine
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    Hopefully the old saying "cheats never prosper" holds true.


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    The latest on this situation confirms that there was no Gentleman's agreement in place (From: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...trigue-946251/ ):

    The latest move came in July, when the FIA informed teams that any new engine introduced from the Italian GP would be allowed a maximum consumption of 0.9 litres of oil per 100km.

    However, engines brought in before then would be allowed to use up to 1.2 litres per 100km, handing an advantage to anyone able to get engines ready before Italy.

    Mercedes duly introduced its fourth and final power unit of the campaign in Belgium, prompting intrigue about whether or not the timing was related to the Monza oil burn limit.

    It is understood that Ferrari in particular was not happy with the situation, because it had been under the impression Mercedes would not introduce a new engine in Belgium, so was caught by surprise.

    "Suggestions that there had been some form of gentleman's agreement between Mercedes and Ferrari not to introduce an engine in Belgium are understood to have been wide of the mark, however, with sources at both outfits confirming that there had been no discussion between the teams about the matter."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    The latest on this situation confirms that there was no Gentleman's agreement in place (From: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...trigue-946251/ ):

    The latest move came in July, when the FIA informed teams that any new engine introduced from the Italian GP would be allowed a maximum consumption of 0.9 litres of oil per 100km.

    However, engines brought in before then would be allowed to use up to 1.2 litres per 100km, handing an advantage to anyone able to get engines ready before Italy.

    Mercedes duly introduced its fourth and final power unit of the campaign in Belgium, prompting intrigue about whether or not the timing was related to the Monza oil burn limit.

    It is understood that Ferrari in particular was not happy with the situation, because it had been under the impression Mercedes would not introduce a new engine in Belgium, so was caught by surprise.

    "Suggestions that there had been some form of gentleman's agreement between Mercedes and Ferrari not to introduce an engine in Belgium are understood to have been wide of the mark, however, with sources at both outfits confirming that there had been no discussion between the teams about the matter."
    so in other words Mercedes "cheated" again and as a consequence NOT only caught us on teh backfoot sort of speak but now they have an advantage over us NO MATTER how good our 4th engine is when it's gonna be introduces in Monza

    all we can hope for now is that OUR 4th engine will be better and more powerful so that we get to see Toto bang that desk at every race from now till the end.....ha, ha...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    so in other words Mercedes "cheated" again and as a consequence NOT only caught us on teh backfoot sort of speak but now they have an advantage over us NO MATTER how good our 4th engine is when it's gonna be introduces in Monza

    all we can hope for now is that OUR 4th engine will be better and more powerful so that we get to see Toto bang that desk at every race from now till the end.....ha, ha...
    alls fair in love and war.....including motorsport!

    It seems they caught us with our pants down.

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    So there is now 2 rules for engines and the oil they can use? Not one normally to laugh at the FIA but how can this be fair?

    All engines from Monza use 0.9l of oil surely makes sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    So there is now 2 rules for engines and the oil they can use? Not one normally to laugh at the FIA but how can this be fair?

    All engines from Monza use 0.9l of oil surely makes sense?
    i'm with ya Greig.....so now Ferrari has been cought with it's pants down sort of speak....and our new engine that is being introduced in Monza (per new rules) can ONLY use 0.9l of oil per 100kg of fuel....whereas Mercedes taht introduced their engine pre Monza can use 1.9l of oil for the reast of that season????

    way to go FIA.....again proven useless
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    So there is now 2 rules for engines and the oil they can use? Not one normally to laugh at the FIA but how can this be fair?

    All engines from Monza use 0.9l of oil surely makes sense?
    Ever since the oil-burn issue(Ferrari..) came up, the FIA imposed these rules(0.9ltr's per 100km) and Mercedes got there engine in prior to the Italy race. So it seems

    the Mercedes PU needs the 1.2ltr per 100km. No doubt they are probably already working on the PU for next year given said rule of .9ltr's per 100km. These guys are

    constantly innovating and "bending" the rules in their favour. In this case, they opted to take the gamble knowing full well that another ICE, MGU-H, TC...will cost them grid

    spot penalties....thats quite the gamble even though they did not need to....which leaves me to believe the W08 is thirsty for oil.

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    Karma will get them. Would love it if Hamilton's engine (the new one) blew up at Monza. Like Alonso's Renault about a decade ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    So there is now 2 rules for engines and the oil they can use? Not one normally to laugh at the FIA but how can this be fair?

    All engines from Monza use 0.9l of oil surely makes sense?
    Absolutely right, Greig, I can't see Ferrari accepting this without strong reaction, especially at Monza, the same rule should apply to all engines from that race onwards, end of story.

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    I just cannot cope and comprehend that there is a rule with two rules inside (0.9l and 1.2l). This is not acceptable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefa View Post
    I just cannot cope and comprehend that there is a rule with two rules inside (0.9l and 1.2l). This is not acceptable!
    thers no way this would happen, it would create to much fuse for evryone......but if its the case than we should use 1.2l rule and let FIA black flag us in Monza

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    Unfortunately it will happen as FIA has confirmed it. It makes sense...Engine that is introduced AFTER Monza has to comply with rules, not one homologated before.

    At least they indirectly confessed they burn oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkchild View Post
    Unfortunately it will happen as FIA has confirmed it. It makes sense...Engine that is introduced AFTER Monza has to comply with rules, not one homologated before.

    At least they indirectly confessed they burn oil.
    do you have a link?

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    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...-limit-946538/

    goodbye any chance of out qualifying them, dirty cheats FIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwk360 View Post
    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...-limit-946538/

    goodbye any chance of out qualifying them, dirty cheats FIA
    If we allow this with, then we don't deserve any title

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    Quote Originally Posted by zike View Post
    If we allow this with, then we don't deserve any title
    Ferrari were idiots to make any silent/gentleman agreement with mercs when Mercs have FIA in there pocket and get everything there way

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    A merc engine failure at monza would be justice

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