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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Bob View Post
    No it doesn't. It just proves that PM still sponsors Ferrari. I'm sure they can still sell their space to other companies if they aren't using it.
    Why would a multi-billion dollar company want to play broker/commission agent to sell advertising space? Just doesn't make sense. PM is a 24 billion dollar company & they don't need to play commission agents to make money. There are enough fools in the world puffing away and making PM the 25th most valuable brand in the world.

    PM uses Ferrari advertising on its products to project a certain image & build a connect between Ferrari & PM - hence more sales through lifestyle association.

    If PM were selling ad space on Ferrari F1 cars, I am 100% sure there would be plenty of articles about it when the deal was renewed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs316 View Post
    Why would a multi-billion dollar company want to play broker/commission agent to sell advertising space? Just doesn't make sense. PM is a 24 billion dollar company & they don't need to play commission agents to make money. There are enough fools in the world puffing away and making PM the 25th most valuable brand in the world.

    PM uses Ferrari advertising on its products to project a certain image & build a connect between Ferrari & PM - hence more sales through lifestyle association.

    If PM were selling ad space on Ferrari F1 cars, I am 100% sure there would be plenty of articles about it when the deal was renewed.
    Totally agree about fools puffing away.

    Since Ferrari has changed its color on the F1 car from Rosso Corsa to "Malboro" Red" in the 90's and white, the color of the car is the ad-space for PMI. Close to half-billion USD
    in sponsors....its that lucrative to play consultant/agent for Ferrari.

    Also, you have Maurizio A. who was a former marketing/advertising employee for PMI and Sergio M. who is on the board of PMI.

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    Just a heads up memo from the Scuderia

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs316 View Post
    Why would a multi-billion dollar company want to play broker/commission agent to sell advertising space? Just doesn't make sense. PM is a 24 billion dollar company & they don't need to play commission agents to make money. There are enough fools in the world puffing away and making PM the 25th most valuable brand in the world.

    PM uses Ferrari advertising on its products to project a certain image & build a connect between Ferrari & PM - hence more sales through lifestyle association.

    If PM were selling ad space on Ferrari F1 cars, I am 100% sure there would be plenty of articles about it when the deal was renewed.
    Just to keep an old argument going... check this out.

    http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/vi...at_car_launch/



    to paraphrase the important bits......

    Currently for a figure thought to be in the region of $100m a year, Marlboro buys all the advertising space on the Ferrari and subsequently subleases it out to the team's various sponsors.

    I have absolutely no idea why a $24 billion company would want to play broker, but it must make some fiscal sense to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Bob View Post
    Just to keep an old argument going... check this out.

    http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/vi...at_car_launch/



    to paraphrase the important bits......

    Currently for a figure thought to be in the region of $100m a year, Marlboro buys all the advertising space on the Ferrari and subsequently subleases it out to the team's various sponsors.

    I have absolutely no idea why a $24 billion company would want to play broker, but it must make some fiscal sense to them.
    It's what as known as Alibi Marketing in the marketing world as described by this Nottingham Prof. Here's a youtube vid back in 2014.

    Alibi marketing - tobacco

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    From what i understood , Marlboro bought most of the Car space and resold it , so they pay Ferrari say $100m and they sell the spots on, how this works exactly I'm not sure does anyone know more info?

    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    No I don't believe Marlboro get a slice of any other ads. Ferrari is red not cause of Marlboro....Santander pay Ferrari for sponsorship they don't pay Marlboro?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazoz View Post
    From what i understood , Marlboro bought most of the Car space and resold it , so they pay Ferrari say $100m and they sell the spots on, how this works exactly I'm not sure does anyone know more info?
    Philip Morris owns the ad space on the car since they are Ferrari's main title sponsor. They in turn sell that ad space to other sponsors depending on size of that sponsors logo. It's a way of tobacco getting around the "no tobacco" sales ad as this was mandated in 2009 I believe hence as to why the car "used to be" Marlboro red. This change in color (Marlboro red) happened in 1994.

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    do you know who will be on our rear wing sponsor?
    I didn't know about the red colour change in 1994



    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Philip Morris owns the ad space on the car since they are Ferrari's main title sponsor. They in turn sell that ad space to other sponsors depending on size of that sponsors logo. It's a way of tobacco getting around the "no tobacco" sales ad as this was mandated in 2009 I believe hence as to why the car "used to be" Marlboro red. This change in color (Marlboro red) happened in 1994.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazoz View Post
    do you know who will be on our rear wing sponsor?
    I didn't know about the red colour change in 1994
    Best guess.....IQOS on the rear wing which is PM(Philip Morris) owned.

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    Who are they? do you know , yes you do thats great thing about sharing info with others thank you
    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Best guess.....IQOS on the rear wing which is PM(Philip Morris) owned.

    You learn something new at thescuderia.net.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazoz View Post
    Who are they? do you know , yes you do thats great thing about sharing info with others thank you
    e-cigarettes...heard of them??

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    nothing new, is the same as last years.

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    Seb and Kimi need their names in script on the sides of their Ferraris.


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    The Sport of Formula 1 Has Made More than $4 Billion from Advertising Tobacco to Fans


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    Tobacco Giants Will Spend More Than $115 million in 2020 Season Despite Promise From F1 Governing Body To Ban Tobacco Advertising



    NEW YORK (July 29, 2020) — As Formula 1 celebrates its 70th season, new research finds that teams and events have sold $4.4 billion in advertising and sponsorship to tobacco companies over the years. The findings are published in the first-ever analysis of tobacco industry advertising in F1, based on data from F1 industry monitor Formula Money and released by global tobacco industry watchdog STOP.

    The new report, Driving Addiction: F1 and Tobacco Advertising, shows that Philip Morris International (PMI) and British American Tobacco (BAT) spent almost $100 million in 2019 and will spend $115 million in the 2020 season to target F1’s 500 million global fans. The sport has the second-highest proportion of fans under age 25 of all global sports leagues.

    PMI and BAT benefit greatly from their involvement in the sport, including their chosen brands featuring prominently on race cars and driver suits. According to the research, media coverage of the 2019 races alone generated exposure worth at least $150.3 million for PMI’s “Mission Winnow” brand through its sponsorship of the Ferrari team and $27.6 million for the brands BAT is promoting through its sponsorship of the McLaren team.

    F1’s Failed Commitment To Health

    F1’s governing body, the FIA (Federation Internationale de l’Automobile), made a public commitment in 2001 that it would ban tobacco sponsorship from international motor sport by 2006, in line with a World Health Organization treaty, the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control (WHO FCTC). But in 2003 the FIA watered down its commitment to a “recommendation” that promoters and competitors cease all forms of tobacco sponsorship from October 1, 2006. Many tobacco companies had already agreed to leave the sport in or before 2006, but the FIA’s diluted stance meant that a full ban was never enforced.

    Since then, the FIA has allowed PMI to continue its association with F1. In the past two years, under the watch of the FIA and Liberty Media, the sport’s owner since 2017, the new research shows PMI’s sponsorship activity has increased and BAT has returned to the sport. In 2019, the WHO called on F1 to ensure that the sport’s activities and participants, including race teams, are not sponsored by tobacco companies. In 2020, PMI and BAT remain as sponsors. STOP is calling on the FIA, Liberty Media and F1 teams to finally end all tobacco advertising and sponsorship in F1.


    Additional Findings

    - F1 is one of the last global sports series – along with Moto GP – that still takes tobacco industry money.
    - In 2019, tobacco company spending increased to 9.4% of all team sponsorship by value, the highest share since 2011.
    - To maximize media exposure, tobacco company brands are situated at the most visible points of the car livery and driver suits of the two teams.
    - Races are broadcast to massive global audiences on TV and online, helping tobacco companies to subvert national bans on advertising their products, including e-cigarettes.
    - 62% of fans F1 gained in the last two years were under the age of 35 years.

    Caroline Reid of Formula Money, a co-author of the report said: “For tobacco companies, the benefits are clear. This is a global sport that draws more than 500 million fans worldwide, mostly young and male—a prized demographic. And tobacco companies receive a real return on investment – which we calculated to exceed $150 million last year. This figure is based on race coverage alone, not qualifying rounds, news reports or other media, so the total value is probably much higher.”

    “Tobacco companies are ploughing more money into F1 as they look to hook yet another generation on their harmful products. Sports-related advertising has been a key strategy in the tobacco industry’s targeting of youth,” said Phil Chamberlain, a partner in STOP. “In a typically slippery move, PMI and BAT claim that they aren’t directly advertising cigarette brands. But according to trademarks registered by the companies, these brands are associated with tobacco products. The money, ultimately, comes from manufacturing and selling products that contribute to the deaths of more than 8 million people every year.”

    “We must not go backwards in the fight against tobacco. We call on governments to enforce strong bans on all advertisement, promotion and sponsorship of tobacco and related products. Promoting these products attracts new tobacco users, especially among young people, causing harm for generations to come,” said Ruediger Krech, Director of Health Promotion, World Health Organization.

    The Executive Summary and Full Report are available at exposetobacco.org/driving-addiction

    Mary Assunta, a partner in STOP concluded: “Governments and the public should not be fooled. PMI and BAT are using their new products to try to justify their resurgence in F1, but WHO is clear that FCTC-compliant tobacco sponsorship bans apply to companies as well as products. Worse, BAT is using its sponsorship to directly advertise its new products when many countries around the world have banned these products or restrict their sale and advertising. The sport is allowing BAT to undermine these restrictions, just as it helped tobacco companies circumvent cigarette advertising bans in the past. The FIA claims that it wants to promote a net positive contribution to society. That’s not possible while it is still linked to an industry that causes such harm.”



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    Quote Originally Posted by Giallo 550 View Post
    Seb and Kimi need their names in script on the sides of their Ferraris.
    I also want my name to stay on the side of the Ferrari car ! Brembo !

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