Results 1 to 10 of 10

Thread: Brawn plans FIA talks to discuss grid penalty system

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Posts
    2,748

    Brawn plans FIA talks to discuss grid penalty system

    Formula 1 chief Ross Brawn says he plans to discuss with the FIA ways to change the sport's under-fire grid penalty system, following the chaos at the Italian Grand Prix.

    Fans were in uproar ahead of the race when F1 faced a situation where it was very hard to work out the final grid.

    That was because nine drivers had been handed a total of 150 grid penalties – with only Lewis Hamilton unaffected and guaranteed to start in the same place he qualified.

    Heading into the weekend, Brawn had been clear that he did not like the penalty system, and he now says that what happened at Monza has added a fresh impetus to get things changed.

    "It's an aspect of the regulations that needs looking at closely, because if it's right in principle, its implementation is definitely difficult for fans to swallow," said Brawn, in an official F1 newsletter reflecting on the Italian GP weekend.

    "We've got some ideas about how to change it and we need to discuss it in detail with the FIA to see how to improve the situation."

    Brawn is not the only one in F1 unhappy with what happened at Monza.

    McLaren racing director Eric Boullier has urged a rethink of the situation, and suggested that financial penalties could be a better solution.

    "I agree with Ross," he said when asked by Motorsport.com for his view on the penalty system. "Ross said earlier in the week that he wanted to get rid of this and we should, to be honest.

    "You take a penalty already when you break something on the car, or break a gearbox, so I think it should be only based on pace and not on a penalty on the way you make a grid.

    "If you have four or three engines per year, then when you break an engine you hurt yourself: so if you start to break 10 engines, obviously there could be a system of penalties that is not a sporting one but a financial one."

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/b...ks-fia-949839/
    I hope they come up with a system that if any of the components breaks on the car, the manufacturers get penalized (WCC pts.) and not the drivers.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    27,810
    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    I hope they come up with a system that if any of the components breaks on the car, the manufacturers get penalized (WCC pts.) and not the drivers.
    WCC points would probably work for the midfield and back cars as they really need the prize money, not so sure it would deter the top 3 from taking a new engine every other race if it gave the no1 driver a win.
    Forza Ferrari

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    West Mids
    Posts
    386
    Very brave of Boullier to mention financial penalties.... surely mclaren/honda would be bankrupt by now if that were the case ☺

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Posts
    2,748
    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    not so sure it would deter the top 3 from taking a new engine every other race if it gave the no1 driver a win.
    So lets take the top 3. If they take a complete engine with all it components you penalize each component. So, in this current formula for example there are 6 components for

    a complete engine: 6 x 15pts per component = 90pts penalty towards the constructors. Multiply that by 20 GP's = 1800pts towards the constructors. The top 3 or really top 2

    are already competitive so I think they would try to be as efficient with penalty pts IF such system was adopted and IF they used a complete engine every race.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    27,810
    We would probably see how little the WCC means to Ferrari, Merc and Red Bull
    Forza Ferrari

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Posts
    2,748
    Quote Originally Posted by Ree View Post
    Very brave of Boullier to mention financial penalties.... surely mclaren/honda would be bankrupt by now if that were the case ☺
    ......Seriously though, if that were the case, Honda could go through 20 engines and it would be a tiny insee winsee fraction of what Honda makes as a hole.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Stowmarket. U.K
    Posts
    16,804
    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    So lets take the top 3. If they take a complete engine with all it components you penalize each component. So, in this current formula for example there are 6 components for

    a complete engine: 6 x 15pts per component = 90pts penalty towards the constructors. Multiply that by 20 GP's = 1800pts towards the constructors. The top 3 or really top 2

    are already competitive so I think they would try to be as efficient with penalty pts IF such system was adopted and IF they used a complete engine every race.
    All midfield teams would be financially hit, and could lead them to pulling out of F1.

    Well, what about doesnt matter what part you change on the car that needs changing. That car gets a 5 second stop and hold penalty. 5 seconds added on to a pitstop. Thats it.
    CAVALLINO RAMPANTE PER SEMPRE

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Corpus Christi Tx
    Posts
    2,748
    Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
    All midfield teams would be financially hit, and could lead them to pulling out of F1.
    Like who?, Force India seem to be doing pretty well with their current component allocation allotment. Williams too. RedBull has deeeeeeep pockets so they can afford it.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Diamond Head
    Posts
    66
    The drivers play a role in the sustainability of the cars so I don't see why they shouldn't be penalized. It's the number of grid positions being dropped that are just too much. Instead of 5 or 10 positions perhaps 1 to 3 makes more sense.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Stowmarket. U.K
    Posts
    16,804
    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Like who?, Force India seem to be doing pretty well with their current component allocation allotment. Williams too. RedBull has deeeeeeep pockets so they can afford it.
    Apart from Ferrari and Mercedes, all of them. Well, lets be honest and not hide behind the "the big multi million dollar companies" Ferrari and Merc would find it hard if start loosing WCC points, and that leads too loosing money. F1 s hate to say t more of a business now, and any team/company, and in WCC, points means money, alot of money.

    Just because Red Bull is a multi million dollar company , doesnt mean Dietrich is going to pump in millions and millions. He already said, even when they were winning there is a point when the money gets out of control. Has also said if it gets to out of hand would pull the team. Force India the same, if anything they in more trouble behind the scenes, due to Vijays accusations of fraud.
    CAVALLINO RAMPANTE PER SEMPRE

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •