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    Something feels off with the new F1 logo.
    It doesn't look like the letters "F1"

    Don't understand the need to change the F1 logo anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Something feels off with the new F1 logo.
    It doesn't look like the letters "F1"

    Don't understand the need to change the F1 logo anyway
    Yeah, i don't understand dropping a historic logo for something a kid can do in paint. When you make a new logo at least you need to beat the old one.

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    It looks more like a Force India logo
    “I prefer to beat them on Sunday” -Fernando Alonso, Press Conference Korean GP 2010

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    Pretty happy I didn't watch this race lol... seems Ferrari has a lot of development needed on the engine side to properly challenge Mercedes next year.... that may prove to be a monumental task...

    Really disliking these cost cutting measures....
    Rest in Peace Leza, you were a true warrior...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Something feels off with the new F1 logo.
    It doesn't look like the letters "F1"

    Don't understand the need to change the F1 logo anyway
    two roads coming to a dead end???


    Quote Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
    Yeah, i don't understand dropping a historic logo for something a kid can do in paint. When you make a new logo at least you need to beat the old one.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rishu View Post
    It looks more like a Force India logo

    I agree...make the F more futuristic with the "dash" still in it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    Pretty happy I didn't watch this race lol... seems Ferrari has a lot of development needed on the engine side to properly challenge Mercedes next year.... that may prove to be a monumental task...

    Really disliking these cost cutting measures....
    It sure seems that way.....25sec lead during this race and Kimi was super slow all due to fuel savings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Here are the final standing of the F1 2017 season with who did what and when.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPojg82WkAABfh1.jpg
    Thanks for that but I still don't understand how the Hulk managed to grab Felipe's 10th in the WDC when they're on the same points and neither has finished higher than 6th in a race. Am I missing something? Also imagine if Mad Max hadn't had all those retirements (7) and Seb hadn't had the problems of Baku, Silverstone, Singapore and Japan. HAM probably wouldn't be laughing then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisepie View Post
    Thanks for that but I still don't understand how the Hulk managed to grab Felipe's 10th in the WDC when they're on the same points and neither has finished higher than 6th in a race. Am I missing something? Also imagine if Mad Max hadn't had all those retirements (7) and Seb hadn't had the problems of Baku, Silverstone, Singapore and Japan. HAM probably wouldn't be laughing then.
    Agreed Wisepie Ham certainly would not be 4 times WDC. He was lucky this year but F1 backwards is "if".
    Unfortunately Seb & Max's misfortunes are rather like the big fish that got away.


    Forza Jules

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisepie View Post
    Thanks for that but I still don't understand how the Hulk managed to grab Felipe's 10th in the WDC when they're on the same points and neither has finished higher than 6th in a race. Am I missing something?
    gonna have to follow up on that one wisepie.



    So who used most power-unit components in 2017 season?

    Grand total average:

    1. #Mercedes 3.6
    2. #Ferrari 4.1
    3. #Renault 5.1
    4. #Honda 9.1

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisepie View Post
    Thanks for that but I still don't understand how the Hulk managed to grab Felipe's 10th in the WDC when they're on the same points and neither has finished higher than 6th in a race. Am I missing something?
    In the event of any ties for position, the driver with superior race results (based on descending order, from number of wins to numbers of second-places down) will gain precedence.
    Forza Ferrari

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    The reason why Hülkenberg finished ahead of Felipe in the WDC was because he scored four 6th places to Felipe's two. Additional best results (as in Hülkenberg's case) is king. I was hoping Perez would finish within 5 seconds of Hülkenberg (because of his penalty) but he never managed that. One would think Renault would tell him to take it easy as a 7th place would give 6th to Renault anyway but he went for that 10th position in the WDC. Still, Sainz was the best of the rest this year.

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    Thanks for the explanation but looking at the results overall, Felipe had more points finishes than Hulk (13-8), so it doesn't seem fair to me. But I guess it's always been that way, a bit like 2008 when Felipe lost out big-time.

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    CAVALLINO RAMPANTE PER SEMPRE

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    Alonso after Abu Dhabi race on radio he was donuts.
    "I'm doing donuts practice for next year "

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    Alonso after Abu Dhabi race on radio he was donuts.
    "I'm doing donuts practice for next year "

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    It sure seems that way.....25sec lead during this race and Kimi was super slow all due to fuel savings.
    It seems that manners aren't your strong suit lol....
    Rest in Peace Leza, you were a true warrior...

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    Abu Dhabi Testing day 2 (Wednesday)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Abu Dhabi Testing day 2 (Wednesday)

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    Look at Kubica! Faster than Stroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
    Look at Kubica! Faster than Stroll.
    yep....encouraging on Kubica's side.


    Kubica – 1:39.485
    Stroll – 1:39.580
    Sirotkin – 1:39.947

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    Cumulative results (Tuesday + Wednesday) - lap-times + lap count

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    This is interesting. We all new the "aero" would play a significant role in overtaking.


    Some figures compared by German (not so fabulous) http://www.formel1.de/news/news/2017...spektakulaerer


    Fastest lap (race) 2016 vs. 2017: delta on lap time / delta per kilometer

    Australien: Riccardo (1:28.997) vs. Räikkönen (1:26.538): -2,459 Sekunden/ -0.464**
    Bahrain: Robserg (1:34.482) vs. Hamilton (1:32.798): -1,684 / -0,311
    China: Hülkenberg (1:39.824) vs. Hamilton (1:35.378): -4,446 / -0,816**
    Russland: Rosberg (1:39.094) vs. Räikkönen (1:36.844): -2,250 / -0,385*
    Spanien: Kwjat (1:26.948) vs. Hamilton (1:23.593): -3,355 / -0,721
    Monaco: Hamilton (1:17.939) vs. Perez (1:14.820): -3,119 / -0,935
    Kanada: Rosberg (1:15.599) vs. Hamilton (1:14.551): -1,084 / -0,240*
    Aserbaidschan: Rosberg (1:46.485) vs. Vettel (1:43.441): -3,044 / -0,507*
    Österreich: Hamilton (1:08.411) vs. Hamilton (1:07.411): -1,000 / -0,232*
    Großbritannien: Rosberg (1:35.548) vs. Hamilton (1:30.621): -4,927 / -0,836
    Ungarn: Räikkönen (1:23.086) vs. Alonso (1:20.182): -2,904 / -0,654
    Belgien: Hamilton (1:51.583) vs. Vettel (1:46.577): -5,006 / -0,715*
    Italien: Alonso (1:25.340) vs. Ricciardo (1:23.361): +1,706 /-0,295*
    Singapur: Ricciardo (1:47.187) vs. Hamilton (1:45.008): -2,179 / -0,430*
    Malaysia: Rosberg (1:36.424) vs. Vettel (1:34.080): -2,344 / -0,423*
    Japan: Vettel (1:35.118) vs. Bottas (1:33.144): -1,974 / -0,340*
    USA: Vettel (1:39.877) vs. Vettel (1:37.766): -1,111 / -0,194*
    Mexiko: Ricciardo (1:21.134) vs. Vettel (1:18.785): -2,349 / -0,544*
    Brasilien: Verstappen (1:25.305) vs. Verstappen (1:11.044): -14,261 / -3,309***
    Abu Dhabi: Vettel (1:43.729) vs. Bottas (1:40.650): -3,079 / -0,554*

    *2017 on softer compound
    **2017 on harder compound
    ***2016 or 2017 under wet conditions


    Comparison top speeds in qualifying 2016 vs. 2017: delta in km/h
    Australian: Hülkenberg (330,3 km/h) vs. Stroll (328,6 km/h): -1,7 km/h
    Bahrain: Bottas (335,5) vs. Stroll (333,3): -2,2
    China: Perez (334,5) vs. Magnussen (329,7): -4,8
    Russland: Vettel (339,0) vs. Stroll (331,2): -7,8
    Spanien: Wehrlein (341,5) vs. Vettel (326,5): -15,0
    Monaco: Wehlein (297,9) vs. Massa (289,3): -8,6
    Kanada: Massa (336,7) vs. Wehrlein (335,0): -1,7
    Aserbaidschan: Rosberg (334,8) vs. Magnussen (330,3): -3,5
    Österreich: Wehrlein (332,6) vs. Hamilton (328,1): -3,4
    Großbritannien: Rosberg (329,1) vs. Massa (325,2): -3,9
    Ungarn: Rosberg (321,4) vs. Perez (313,0): -8,4
    Belgien: Gutierrez (342,5) vs. Ocon (318,4): -24,1
    Italien: Massa (357,6) vs. Kwjat (327,1): -30,5*
    Singapur: Hamilton (314,5) vs. Hamilton (308,3): -6,2
    Malaysia: Wehrlein (335,6) vs. Hamilton (327,1): -8,5
    Japan: Hamilton (319,4) vs. Räikkönen (311,6): -7,8
    USA: Wehrlein (341,2) vs. Hamilton (330,8): -10,4
    Mexiko: Massa (365,9) vs. Ocon (355,6): -10,3
    Brasilen: Räikkönen (340,9) vs. Ocon (332,7): -8,2
    Abu Dhabi: Massa (347,1) vs. Perez (331,8): -15,3
    *2017 under wet conditions

    Number of overtakes 2016 vs. 2017: Difference
    Australian: 50 (15 mit DRS) vs. 14 (3 mit DRS): 36 less overtakes
    China: 182 (70 mit DRS) vs. 54 (10 mit DRS): 128 less overtakes
    Bahrain: 125 (52 mit DRS) vs. 48 (18 mit DRS): 77 less overtakes
    Russland: 31 (3 mit DRS) vs. 18 (keines mit DRS): 13 less overtakes
    Spanien: 64 (davon 38 mit DRS) vs. 36 (18 mit DRS): 28 less overtakes
    Monaco: 34 (keines mit DRS) vs. 9 (keines mit DRS): 25 less overtakes
    Kanada: 37 (17 mit DRS) vs. 36 (24 mit DRS): 1 less overtakes
    Aserbaidschan / Österreich: no data for 2016 available
    Großbritannien: 39 (9 mit DRS) vs. 56 (21 mit DRS): 17 more overtakes
    Ungarn: 34 (11 mit DRS) vs. 14 (7 mit DRS): 20 less overtakes
    Belgien: 85 (26 mit DRS) vs. 60 (24 mit DRS): 25 less overtakes
    Italien: 68 (27 mit DRS) vs. 60 (18 mit DRS): 8 less overtakes
    Singapur: 48 (14 mit DRS) vs. 46 (2 mit DRS): 2 less overtakes
    Malaysia: 77 (26 mit DRS) vs. 46 (21 mit DRS): 31 less overtakes
    Japan: 54 (19 mit DRS) vs. 40 (8 mit DRS): 14 less overtakes
    USA: 79 (23 mit DRS) vs. 64 (25 mit DRS): 15 less overtakes
    Mexiko: 31 (11 mit DRS) vs. 57 (22 mit DRS): 26 more overtakes
    Brasilien: 101 (keines mit DRS) vs. 52 (20 mit DRS): 49 less overtakes
    Abu Dhabi: 93 (28 mit DRS) vs. 5 (keines mit DRS): 88 less overtakes

    I don't know why they didn't have data for Azerbaijan or Austria. Under the new regs dirty air will not benefit overtaking. Only in Mexico and GP it seems we saw more overtakes. I suppose Mexico was aided by the first lap mess and GP was seeing some exciting weather conditions this year.

    Interesting side note is that they improved on lap time with every track but the high speed track Monza saw a reduction in lap time by 1.7 sec. The other high speed track Spa saw an improvement by 5 sec.

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    Thanks GonzalesMan, and 2018 it will be even more difficult to overtake, because another faster tyre is coming. Hypersupersoft, lol. Megahypersupersoft

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    F1 calendar gets confirmation for 2018

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