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    Quote Originally Posted by PURE PASSION View Post
    Rory has bone his work for this year ,and he's already working on 2019!!!
    if you know so much about what Rory is doing, why dont we use the 2019 car this year and be ahead of EVERY ONE ELSE??
    ...the new SF71H looks amazing. Let's hope it's gonna be as FAST as it looks.


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    Rory started work on the 2018 car in the spring of 2017. He has started "drafting" the 2019 car already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    if you know so much about what Rory is doing, why dont we use the 2019 car this year and be ahead of EVERY ONE ELSE??
    https://www.motorlat.com/notas/tecni...2019-campaigns
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    Good to see the forum warming up nicely with witty response and humour and the season has not started yet great stuff keep it up tiffosi its going to be one hell of a year and one to remember so start your engines.

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    Randstad no longer a sponsor with Williams effective Jan. 17, 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Randstad no longer a sponsor with Williams effective Jan. 17, 2018.

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    They have Russian money now!!!!
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    Launch dates:

    McLaren and Toro Rosso reveal 2018 Formula 1 car launch dates

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    2018 F1 launch dates so far

    Ferrari: February 22
    McLaren: February 23
    Toro Rosso: February 25

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...8-launch-dates

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    22nd is going to be a fun day with both Ferrari and Merc launching

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    I'd like to see Lewis and Seb interviewed together that day.

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    As Graig Scarborough said,i wonder if Merc will have live feed of Ferraris presentation, in Silverstone for the media??!!!!
    Last edited by PURE PASSION; 18th January 2018 at 18:52.
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    Some other news/rumours:
    "Marca" other than the suspension argument is reporting that:

    1- Ferrari has intention to retain his advantage over Mercedes in terms of "agility" so it is unclear if the wheelbase increase would be the rumored 6 cm. or too minimal to make a difference in terms of body downforce generation.

    2- Ferrari "central wing" (Sidepods) will be heavily modified, with slimmer and higher-placed air intakes ( :o ), and longer(in height) airflow conditioners (even if placed lower in the car)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PURE PASSION View Post
    Some other news/rumours:
    slimmer and higher? i wonder how they are going to do that and still maintain enough airflow through the car.
    on the other hand, it could give us one mean looking car for 2018
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    Ross Brawn wanted to change rules to simplify the front wing... Ferrari threatened to veto this change. Damn you Ferrari, so we want the cars to be able to follow themseves more closely, but we veto the change, which is needed for that to happen? :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    Ross Brawn wanted to change rules to simplify the front wing... Ferrari threatened to veto this change. Damn you Ferrari, so we want the cars to be able to follow themseves more closely, but we veto the change, which is needed for that to happen? :/

    you sure about that Kyss4k???? I'm reading about Ferrari vetoing the next engine rules but nothing about the front wing??? link ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    you sure about that Kyss4k???? I'm reading about Ferrari vetoing the next engine rules but nothing about the front wing??? link ???
    Here's the link. These are Czech web pages, so just use google translator to translate it to english :)
    https://f1sport.auto.cz/clanek/plout...usi-deflektory

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    Here's the link. These are Czech web pages, so just use google translator to translate it to english :)
    https://f1sport.auto.cz/clanek/plout...usi-deflektory
    got it, thanks. Translated it. According to the google translator and I quote "There was even information that Ferrari threatened to veto such a proposal." (regarding the front wing.)

    So it's an idle threat but not an actual veto.....yet.

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    No point them going further if Ferrari said they would veto it though is there....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    Ross Brawn wanted to change rules to simplify the front wing... Ferrari threatened to veto this change. Damn you Ferrari, so we want the cars to be able to follow themseves more closely, but we veto the change, which is needed for that to happen? :/
    here's another from F1 fanatic. Went looking for this one to get more clarity. The teams are rejecting the more engines and less aero.

    Shark fins could return to F1 next year

    2018 F1 season

    ‘Shark fins’ may return to cars next despite the designs being banned for the 2018 F1 season.

    A proposal to revive shark fins was discussed by the Formula One Strategy Group yesterday. Some teams are understood to favour the move as it gives them more space to offer to potential sponsors and incorporate the mandatory driver name and number signage.

    The Strategy Group debated other potential aerodynamic changes to the cars to come into effect after the new season.

    F1 Fanatic understands a revision to the barge board regulations, proposed by McLaren, has been adopted for next year. This is aimed at making the the area more useful for sponsors and more aesthetically pleasing. A Ferrari proposal for a simpler and less expensive rear wing endplate was also approved.

    However a proposal from F1’s managing director of motorsport Ross Brawn for a simpler front wing design, a model of which was shown to teams, met with strong resistance. According to sources Ferrari threatened to use its veto right over the technical regulations to block the plan, which has now been dropped.

    A further suggestion of increasing the minimum number of engines from three to four next year was also rejected.

    The Strategy Group also discussed imposing a minimum period of ‘gardening leave’ on any ex-FIA or FOM staff hired by teams, to prevent them bringing sensitive information about competitors with them. However it was agreed a ‘gentlemen’s agreement’ between the teams is necessary to enforce any period which is longer than that specified by the relevant local laws.

    https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2018/01/...-f1-next-year/
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    TECHNIQUE F1 2018: T Wing "legal" also in 2018...Only the position was changed?


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    Going into more detail, and focusing on the part of the article about the now famous T-Wing, seen in more variations in the past season, these are the words that the Italian team used:

    "[...] while the positioning of the transversally mounted T-wing, which all the teams used in 2017 to better direct air flow towards the rear wing has been reviewed." "[...]

    As we all know, the innovative and hopefully successful design of a F1 car must be based on a great and detailed knowledge of the technical regulation, which often presents holes, gray spots, or limited indications, which in the past have strongly stimulated the imagination of designers and engineers in inventing effective solutions to improve the performance of the cars.


    Just a year ago, for example, we found ourselves in the presentations of the new F1 cars with perforated noses (Red Bull), fins with particular shapes, and above all the presence of the now famous T-Wing. Presented by Mercedes on February 23rd in Silverstone's shakedown and then seen on the renderings of the Ferrari SF70-H the next day, that wing evolved successively in C-Wing, and in some cases in E-Wing by the introduction of different supports, had proved to be very useful both to channel the flow of air that, coming from the complex central portion of the car, went to the rear wing, both to provide different aerodynamic alternatives in the generation of load in the rear area, as occurred precisely in the case of the Maranello car.

    During the last season, however, in the meetings for the revision of the technical regulation, the idea was not only to eliminate the famous fin which extended the cover of the bonnet but also the T-Wing, so hated from Ross Brawn. The decision, which towards the end of the championship seemed to lead to an initial maintenance of the solutions (for veto imposed by the teams), had an unexpected ending with McLaren's decision to break the agreement and accept the removal of these components.

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    Therefore, as stated in the new regulation, the article 3.5.1 a) limits the dimensions of the engine bonnet, intact compared to the version of technical regulation 2017, imposing, or rather adding, through the article 3.5.1 point c) the absence of bodywork above 650 mm from the reference plane in an area bounded by a vertical line located at 1000 mm from the rear axle (RWCL) and from the rear axle itself.

    What does this involve? A goodbye to the fin? Unfortunately for the teams that had already started the development convinced they could keep the solution, yes. A goodbye also to the T-Wing? Not exactly. Not at least according to the concept we were used to. In the past season, in fact, the regulatory hole, which involved a greater portion than that used for example by the two dominant teams, led to many solutions that we would not necessarily stop to see again this year. Let's start with an example: the double Sauber solution.

    https://motorlat.com/filemanager/sou...6exuaa6sit.jpg

    The T-Wing at the top can no longer be used due to the introduction of part c) to article 3.5.1 while the bottom one, which some teams have baptized with the name "Deck Wing", will still be perfectly legal (below 650 mm and at a distance of no more than 50 mm from the rear axle).

    https://motorlat.com/filemanager/sou...ing-detail.jpg

    A similar solution was brought to the track by the Williams Team with a second bow T Wing mounted in the lower part of the fin, although in this case perhaps should be slightly revised the position in height (difficult to check if the profiles are under 650 mm imposed from the 2018 technical regulation).

    Now, if we thought more generally about the regulatory changes, which have also caused the disappearance of the monkey seat among other things, the 2017 solutions of Sauber and Williams could be considered very much interesting. They are not only legal, but also potentially useful "technically" to maximize the downforce created by the rear wing trying to accelerate the flow of air in the back of the rear wing and, secondary effect but not to forget, also improving the extraction air from the speaker thus overcoming the lack of a component, the monkey seat, which Team like Ferrari have used for the majority of the 2017 season.

    https://motorlat.com/notas/tecnica/3...b5HE2F.twitter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    Ross Brawn wanted to change rules to simplify the front wing... Ferrari threatened to veto this change. Damn you Ferrari, so we want the cars to be able to follow themseves more closely, but we veto the change, which is needed for that to happen? :/

    Ross needs to call Ferrari's, Mercedes, and Renault's bluff. IF all 3 leave....so freakin what!!! You have other manufacturers wanting to join a simpler and cheaper (mainly the PU) F1. Manufacturers like Porsche, VAG, heck even Ford expressed an interest in F1 if it was simpler and cheaper. Honda would definitely be a player. You also have a couple engine builders wanting to join as well.

    Of the 3 that leave, Ferrari will either suck it up or come back. It's in their blood.

    Start on a semi clean slate with aero, PU, fuel flow rates, unlimited testing , infinite engines(okay maybe 10 or so), etc. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Ross needs to call Ferrari's, Mercedes, and Renault's bluff. IF all 3 leave....so freakin what!!! You have other manufacturers wanting to join a simpler and cheaper (mainly the PU) F1. Manufacturers like Porsche, VAG, heck even Ford expressed an interest in F1 if it was simpler and cheaper. Honda would definitely be a player. You also have a couple engine builders wanting to join as well.

    Of the 3 that leave, Ferrari will either suck it up or come back. It's in their blood.

    Start on a semi clean slate with aero, PU, fuel flow rates, unlimited testing , infinite engines(okay maybe 10 or so), etc. etc.
    F1 without its most fable team is not F1 anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Ross needs to call Ferrari's, Mercedes, and Renault's bluff. IF all 3 leave....so freakin what!!! You have other manufacturers wanting to join a simpler and cheaper (mainly the PU) F1. Manufacturers like Porsche, VAG, heck even Ford expressed an interest in F1 if it was simpler and cheaper. Honda would definitely be a player. You also have a couple engine builders wanting to join as well.

    Of the 3 that leave, Ferrari will either suck it up or come back. It's in their blood.

    Start on a semi clean slate with aero, PU, fuel flow rates, unlimited testing , infinite engines(okay maybe 10 or so), etc. etc.
    F1 will lose its status as the pinnacle of motorsport if everything is simplified and standardized. F1 is special because not everyone can build the advanced technology. F1 needs to improve racing but not destroy development of state-of-the-art technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
    F1 will lose its status as the pinnacle of motorsport if everything is simplified and standardized. F1 is special because not everyone can build the advanced technology. F1 needs to improve racing but not destroy development of state-of-the-art technology.
    Great post. You have put my long held opinion into print
    We don't want to see F1 cars which are all the same.
    Some of the best engineers and designers gravitate to F1. Give them the speck a and maybe constraints (aka number of engines and gearboxes allowed) and put them to work to see who can be creative and build the fastest car.


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    A rendering of a new desing for 2018!!!
    What's your opinion???
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    I still think that some aspects of F1 should be made simpler on cost and technical grounds. Making the front wings simpler would hopefully allow cars to follow more closely and overtake more easily, so I am disappointed that Ferrari have vetoed this, unless they know something we don't! The 3 engine rule is also going to penalise a lot of drivers when I believe it should be the constructors who take the pain from engine penalties. I'm not against technical advancement but it is supposed to be motor-racing, not a fight to see who can be most technically advanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Ross needs to call Ferrari's, Mercedes, and Renault's bluff. IF all 3 leave....so freakin what!!! You have other manufacturers wanting to join a simpler and cheaper (mainly the PU) F1. Manufacturers like Porsche, VAG, heck even Ford expressed an interest in F1 if it was simpler and cheaper. Honda would definitely be a player. You also have a couple engine builders wanting to join as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wisepie View Post
    I still think that some aspects of F1 should be made simpler on cost and technical grounds. Making the front wings simpler would hopefully allow cars to follow more closely and overtake more easily, so I am disappointed that Ferrari have vetoed this, unless they know something we don't! The 3 engine rule is also going to penalise a lot of drivers when I believe it should be the constructors who take the pain from engine penalties. I'm not against technical advancement but it is supposed to be motor-racing, not a fight to see who can be most technically advanced.
    Correct. It should not be spec racing but this hybrid era formula is for Mercedes....plain and simple. 3 engines the whole season!!!! c'mon. Reliabiliy so that an engine and its components last 7 races???? And if they(components) don't last the driver get penalized instead of the manufacturer/team.....what did the driver do to get penalized if the TC goes out??

    Ferrari has shot itself in the foot for 2018 AFAIC by going along with Mercedes and going against Ross's ideas.

    Ross knows what the fans want but at the same time what is good for the sport.....it's all about the show/entertainment hence close battles between teams instead of one running away from everyone else. He understands F1 is loosing millions of people in viewership.

    F1 should be the pinnacle of MOTOR-SPORT and not the pinnacle of hybrids. If the FIA and the Euro Community Govt's want the advancement in this so called motorsport, then those advancements in hybrid technology should go to WEC in the LMP1 program....and it should stay there where those hybrids run for 24hrs.

    Hybrids (electric) = Motorsport......I think not.

    This current technology in F1 is only a stop-gap of whats to come....full electric....which is Formula E. Is that considered a motorsport??

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    F1 heading for the ‘museum to the combustion engine’ – climate change leader

    Formula 1 and all other forms of motorsport which rely on the internal combustion engine are destined for the museum – and soon – according to Christiana Figueres, one of the architects of the 2015 Paris convention on climate change.

    Figueres is now co-chair of the new advisory board for Formula E, along with Alain Prost, four times world F1 champion. She sees her role as being to challenge and to spur the series on to transform the automotive and transport world to decarbonise.


    Speaking at the launch of the new title sponsorship by tech giant ABB of the Formula E electric racing series in London today, Figures challenged both Formula E boss Alejandro Agag and ABB CEO Ulrich Spiesshofer to bring about the “museum to the combustion engine” and to put a date on when it would happen.

    “We have a lot to thank it (IC engine) for, it got us where we are today,” she said, but noted,”I challenge you to put a date on it (when the IC engine would be history).

    “We are now in a race to the future, to decarbonise the world. It is unstoppable, it’s just a question of when.”

    Asked by this site after the event whether this meant that Formula 1 as the pinnacle of motorsport would have to become electric or become obsolete, she agreed.

    The Costa Rican, who has been Executive Secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change since 2010, suggested that racing involving internal combustion engines would have a future as an entertainment, a retro series, given that there are many beautiful cars from the last 100 years that people would want to see – and hear – race.

    But as a global sporting business and as a technology leader for the automotive industry there was no question of a long term for a series which uses hybrid or any other form of fossil fuel power units.
    Speaking to Popular Science Editor Joe Brown at the end of 2017, F1 managing director motorsports Ross Brawn was asked about F1 having an electric future and responded, ““I don’t see it in the next five to 10 years. I can’t see that.

    “We have some tough questions to ask ourselves.”

    For the short term, he added, the new owners’ view is that what F1 needs is that “The show has to be the number-one priority. The racing, the drivers, the history, the noise, the smell, the atmosphere.”

    Mercedes is reputed to be building a new V6 hybrid engine for this new F1 season, with 1,000hp from just 1.6 litres. But Mercedes is also entering Formula E and F1 team boss Toto Wolff says, “The reason for us joining is that our road cars are gonna go electric — that’s a fact.”

    There is an hourglass running on Formula 1’s future as a fossil fuel powered series. As governments increasingly set dates to call time on sales of petrol and diesel engined cars, the waist aperture of that hourglass opens up.

    The question, as Figures says, is how long?

    https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2018/...change-leader/

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