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    Quote Originally Posted by aroutis View Post
    Both him and you (apparently) fail to see that the team, contrary to previous years are pushing the envelope hard in order to win.
    When the team does not push, they are failures, when they do, they're failures.

    With mentality like yours , they're damned either way.
    These are all positive criticism, we all want the same, Ferrari as absolute best in evry area

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    Quote Originally Posted by zike View Post
    The man has a point, it does look amateur, you don't win championship that way
    Thank you and exactly!
    hockenheim 2018 / China 2018 : Never forget how quick Ferrari can lose it all, be humble.
    Positivity doesn't win you championships, whining about people being negative makes you blind!
    lol ignore the bitter old cows ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zike View Post
    These are all positive criticism, we all want the same, Ferrari as absolute best in evry area
    Positive criticism is the one that has something to offer and better the one is offered to.
    What I see in this forum lately is not that, rather pessimism.
    "If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve

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    Quote Originally Posted by aroutis View Post
    Positive criticism is the one that has something to offer and better the one is offered to.
    What I see in this forum lately is not that, rather pessimism.
    I agree buddy, the amount of negative energy here in last weeks is just to high. Guys have some faith in the team. Positivity brings good things. We can start now, I would love to see 1 week of just good things here on forum, without hate, or bashing of our team, drivers. Can we manage? Yes I surely can, its up to the majority of people here now. What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vettel165 View Post
    I agree buddy, the amount of negative energy here in last weeks is just to high. Guys have some faith in the team. Positivity brings good things. We can start now, I would love to see 1 week of just good things here on forum, without hate, or bashing of our team, drivers. Can we manage? Yes I surely can, its up to the majority of people here now. What do you think?
    Yes let's censor what everybody has to say just so we can feel good about what we read.

    Maybe you need an echo chamber. I hear Reddit and Facebook are excellent places for those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aroutis View Post
    Positive criticism is the one that has something to offer and better the one is offered to.
    What I see in this forum lately is not that, rather pessimism.
    I think we all want the same thing here, give credit were credit is due, and critic when you thing they should have done better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zike View Post
    I think we all want the same thing here, give credit were credit is due, and critic when you thing they should have done better.
    pretty much spot on 100%
    hockenheim 2018 / China 2018 : Never forget how quick Ferrari can lose it all, be humble.
    Positivity doesn't win you championships, whining about people being negative makes you blind!
    lol ignore the bitter old cows ;-)

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    BEHIND THE SCENES IN THE F1 DEVELOPMENT RACE: HOW MERCEDES GOT AHEAD AGAIN
    https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2018/...t-ahead-again/
    hockenheim 2018 / China 2018 : Never forget how quick Ferrari can lose it all, be humble.
    Positivity doesn't win you championships, whining about people being negative makes you blind!
    lol ignore the bitter old cows ;-)

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    Good article, tells us nothing LOL
    Forza Ferrari

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    That you still enjoy following the Scuderia...

    Anyway, looking at your avatar, at least one person is laughing his head off all the time!

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    After proving themselves as the quickest team over the first four races, Ferrari struggled at the last round in Spain, with neither Kimi Raikkonen nor Sebastian Vettel able to use their tyres as well as the two Mercedes or Red Bulls. Mark Hughes and Giorgio Piola investigate the tech change that may have been at the heart of the issue – and what implications lie ahead for Monaco…

    While conspiracy theories surrounded the coinciding downturn of Ferrari’s form in Barcelona with the use of a new thinner gauge tyre by Pirelli, post-race testing revealed the problem to be even worse on the old-spec thicker-gauge rubber. Accordingly, the team are now trying to understand why they suffered with greater rear tyre degradation than they experienced during winter testing on the Spanish track with its succession of long duration, medium-high speed corners on a high-grip surface.

    Sebastian Vettel tried this revised version in practice and after his feedback it was fitted to both his car and that of Kimi Raikkonen’s for qualifying and race. However, the team have since been trying to assess whether this change may have inadvertently contributed towards the car’s greater appetite for rear rubber since February testing. How? Because the change in articulation of the suspension may have been enough to induce more heat in the outer shoulder of the tyre, taking it past the threshold at which blistering will be initiated.

    Thankfully for fans of the Prancing Horse, Ferrari are not expected to suffer a repeat of their Barcelona tyre woes at Monaco this weekend. Consisting almost entirely of low-speed, short-duration corners on a very low grip surface, the Monte Carlo street track is almost the exact opposite in traits of the Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya that exposed the tyre blistering problem on the SF71H. Nonetheless, the team will be working flat-out in the background to understand their tyre usage problems with future races in mind.
    Forza Ferrari

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    After proving themselves as the quickest team over the first four races, Ferrari struggled at the last round in Spain, with neither Kimi Raikkonen nor Sebastian Vettel able to use their tyres as well as the two Mercedes or Red Bulls. Mark Hughes and Giorgio Piola investigate the tech change that may have been at the heart of the issue – and what implications lie ahead for Monaco…

    While conspiracy theories surrounded the coinciding downturn of Ferrari’s form in Barcelona with the use of a new thinner gauge tyre by Pirelli, post-race testing revealed the problem to be even worse on the old-spec thicker-gauge rubber. Accordingly, the team are now trying to understand why they suffered with greater rear tyre degradation than they experienced during winter testing on the Spanish track with its succession of long duration, medium-high speed corners on a high-grip surface.

    Sebastian Vettel tried this revised version in practice and after his feedback it was fitted to both his car and that of Kimi Raikkonen’s for qualifying and race. However, the team have since been trying to assess whether this change may have inadvertently contributed towards the car’s greater appetite for rear rubber since February testing. How? Because the change in articulation of the suspension may have been enough to induce more heat in the outer shoulder of the tyre, taking it past the threshold at which blistering will be initiated.

    Thankfully for fans of the Prancing Horse, Ferrari are not expected to suffer a repeat of their Barcelona tyre woes at Monaco this weekend. Consisting almost entirely of low-speed, short-duration corners on a very low grip surface, the Monte Carlo street track is almost the exact opposite in traits of the Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya that exposed the tyre blistering problem on the SF71H. Nonetheless, the team will be working flat-out in the background to understand their tyre usage problems with future races in mind.
    In Barcelona winter testing, mercs did have heavy blistering on their tyres. Ferrari were the best, holding it fine.
    When vettel did use old spec tyres in last then also they were doing good laptimes without blistering. But statement from seb confused/confusing me. He says Pirelli made right choice. Don’t know what going on behind.
    Personally I feel there are two chances with it, 1) ferrari either went with wrong set-up on seb’s car 2) Ferrari got hurt with that change in tyre tread.
    Either one of them could only be true.

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    SF71-H minus the winglets for the Monaco GP

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd3m9z-VAAAHqj_.jpg

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    But the mirrors are still on the halo...
    Hmm.

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    Clarity in the oil consumption dispute

    Nobody tricks with the oil

    Finally, there is clarity in the dispute over oil consumption. At the request of Mercedes, the FIA ​​has specified what they mean by the limited to 0.6 liters per 100 kilometers of oil consumption. This includes all the oil, including the one used in the turbocharger.


    It was just a suspicion. The smoking Ferrari engines made the competition suspicious. Was everything right there, or did Ferrari find a way around the oil consumption limit of 0.6 liters per 100 kilometers? And if so, how? The engine engineers racked their brains on how to outsmart Article 20 of the Technical Regulations. Until one had the idea, one could press the oil into the combustion chambers via a "leaky" gasket in the turbocharger's supercharger, but not count it for consumption because the turbocharger is by definition not an engine.

    On May 14, Mercedes sent a request to the FIA. The engine engineers in Brixworth wanted to know if the oil consumed in the turbocharger counts to 0.6 liters. And if so, would the combined consumption of lubricant in the engine and turbocharger have to be counted towards consumption limits?

    The turbocharger is part of the engine

    The answer from Charlie Whiting came immediately. In a circular letter to the four engine manufacturers, the FIA ​​race director made it clear that all oils used in the drive unit fall under Article 20. From the point of view of the World Association, the turbocharger is the engine. Accordingly, the oil burned in the internal combustion engine and the turbocharger must be included in the total consumption.

    The shot of Mercedes was obviously directed against Ferrari. But he missed his goal. We hear from circles of the FIA ​​that none of the four engine manufacturers have to rebuild their oil system or the turbocharger. If someone had tricked in this area, he would have had to modify his turbocharger with immediate effect. Neither of the controls found a separate oil circuit for the turbocharger. This is the topic of the table. The battery affair, however, is still smoldering. But it should clarify the course of the weekend.

    https://translate.google.com/transla...t/&prev=search

    Sooooo in short, Our car passed the oil test suspicion from Mercedes!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Sooooo in short, Our car passed the oil test suspicion from Mercedes!!!!
    Yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry_Cule View Post
    But the mirrors are still on the halo...
    Hmm.
    Ferrari unveil revised halo-mounted mirror layout in Monaco
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    Ferrari’s radical halo-mounted wing mirrors were the talk of the town in Barcelona – and they were back in the limelight on Wednesday in Monaco after the Italian team unveiled a new design following the FIA’s clampdown on the original layout.




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    BEFORE: Ferrari's Spanish Grand Prix wing mirror layout, complete with winglets. © Manuel Goria/Sutton Images



    The key change from the Spanish Grand Prix arrangement is the removal of a winglet that Ferrari claimed served a structural role in reducing vibration of the mirrors but which the FIA felt was being exploited primarily for aerodynamic gain.

    It remains to be seen whether rival teams will follow the Scuderia's lead in adopting this approach.


    Technical analysis from Mark Hughes...
    The winglet (indicated by a red arrow in the drawing below) used in conjunction with the mirrors in Spain was connected to the mirror by a thin cable which the team claimed enabled the mirror and winglet to be considered as one halo-mounted piece, with the winglet serving a structural role in reducing vibration of the mirrors.

    The FIA countered that if this were the case, the winglet could have been mounted much lower (but where its aerodynamic effect in turning the upward wake of the airflow back down would have been much less) and from the same mounting point as the mirror. They concluded therefore, that the second mounting point implied that the primary purpose of the winglet was not structural but aerodynamic and that from Monaco onwards the arrangement must be changed.


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    Ferrari's original 2018 wing mirror arrangement (left) and their now-banned Spanish Grand Prix version (right). © Giorgio Piola


    The teams and the governing body must dance around quite an intricate line of interpretation on matters such as this. Both the Red Bull RB14 and Force India VJM11 feature aerodynamic strakes as part of their mirror mounts that help condition the airflow behind, but in these cases they are less extreme than the Ferrari interpretation.

    It illustrates that for the second consecutive season, Ferrari under the technical directorship of Mattia Binotto is aggressively pushing the boundaries after years of quite conservative design and development.

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/h...in-monaco.html

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    Ferrari to experiment with old suspension in Monaco



    Ferrari will test with its old suspension in the Monaco Grand Prix, amid growing hints that a new development avenue it trialled in Spain cost it performance.



    The Maranello-based team has worked extensively since the last race in Barcelona to try to get to the bottom of why Sebastian Vettel was unable to match the pace of the Mercedes.

    What was especially concerning was that the team suffered much higher levels of tyre degradation in Spain than it had encountered in pre-season testing.

    One suggestion that has emerged has been that changes it made to its rear suspension for the Spanish Grand Prix may have had a knock-on effect in hurting its tyre management.

    A new suspension upright had a much more aggressive transition – allowing a wider and flatter surface – which was designed to help improve the aerodynamics of the car in that area.

    However, while being better for downforce, it may also have contributed to the tyres overheating more, which triggered the degradation issues.

    Speaking ahead of the Monaco Grand Prix, Vettel said that the team had focused a lot of effort in the Barcelona test last week to understand more about what had gone wrong.


    The result appears to be that there are doubts over the new rear suspension, which is why Vettel's car was fitted with the old version ahead of opening practice in Monaco.

    It is unclear at this stage, however, whether he will commit to this version for the remainder of the weekend or will switch back to the newer specification for qualifying and the race.

    "I think it is fair to summarise that Barcelona was not a strong race for us," said Vettel. "Saturday was actually pretty good, but Sunday we fell a little bit behind.

    "So it was good we had the opportunity on Tuesday/Wednesday to get into the race situation again to understand a bit better with time and laps.

    "There are a couple of ideas we have and things we believe that may have caused a weak race or weak pace during the race.

    "But for here it is not that relevant because it is a completely different track. But going forward, time will tell whether we found a good direction."

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...onaco-1040778/

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Ferrari to experiment with old suspension in Monaco



    Ferrari will test with its old suspension in the Monaco Grand Prix, amid growing hints that a new development avenue it trialled in Spain cost it performance.



    The Maranello-based team has worked extensively since the last race in Barcelona to try to get to the bottom of why Sebastian Vettel was unable to match the pace of the Mercedes.

    What was especially concerning was that the team suffered much higher levels of tyre degradation in Spain than it had encountered in pre-season testing.

    One suggestion that has emerged has been that changes it made to its rear suspension for the Spanish Grand Prix may have had a knock-on effect in hurting its tyre management.

    A new suspension upright had a much more aggressive transition – allowing a wider and flatter surface – which was designed to help improve the aerodynamics of the car in that area.

    However, while being better for downforce, it may also have contributed to the tyres overheating more, which triggered the degradation issues.

    Speaking ahead of the Monaco Grand Prix, Vettel said that the team had focused a lot of effort in the Barcelona test last week to understand more about what had gone wrong.


    The result appears to be that there are doubts over the new rear suspension, which is why Vettel's car was fitted with the old version ahead of opening practice in Monaco.

    It is unclear at this stage, however, whether he will commit to this version for the remainder of the weekend or will switch back to the newer specification for qualifying and the race.

    "I think it is fair to summarise that Barcelona was not a strong race for us," said Vettel. "Saturday was actually pretty good, but Sunday we fell a little bit behind.

    "So it was good we had the opportunity on Tuesday/Wednesday to get into the race situation again to understand a bit better with time and laps.

    "There are a couple of ideas we have and things we believe that may have caused a weak race or weak pace during the race.

    "But for here it is not that relevant because it is a completely different track. But going forward, time will tell whether we found a good direction."

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...onaco-1040778/

    This is why Ferrari ate their tyres in Spain; they were testing a new rear suspension. I posted pics of this during the Spanish GP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zike View Post
    I think we all want the same thing here, give credit were credit is due, and critic when you thing they should have done better.
    When criticism is given thru a negative outlook it has no use.
    Also, this is not a place for mass psychoanalysis sessions.
    Meaning, if people get bummed because of negative results, take your negativity elsewhere.
    This is a place where we come to :
    a. Read - post news about Ferrari
    b. Read - post things about the team and its members
    c. Abide by the rules, one of which is SUPPORT the team , and last time I checked, supporting the team is not by banging them on the head with "sack 'm all" kind of posts or, "all is lost" kind of posts.

    It has become very tiresome for those that have been supporting Ferrari since the dark ages, the times before the glory days of the Dream team. When we had to wait for JUST ONE FREAKING PLACE ON THE PODIUM.

    If people do not have the patience to see how a team is built, either stop posting or be gone.
    "If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    In Barcelona winter testing, mercs did have heavy blistering on their tyres. Ferrari were the best, holding it fine.
    When vettel did use old spec tyres in last then also they were doing good laptimes without blistering. But statement from seb confused/confusing me. He says Pirelli made right choice. Don’t know what going on behind.
    Personally I feel there are two chances with it, 1) ferrari either went with wrong set-up on seb’s car 2) Ferrari got hurt with that change in tyre tread.
    Either one of them could only be true.
    We had major blistering when Seb tested normal tyres in Spain, hence his statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    We had major blistering when Seb tested normal tyres in Spain, hence his statement.
    You mean winter testing or in-season test that happened last week. ???
    If it’s winter testing then answer is no. There was no blistering on the tyres.

    If it’s recent test, I don’t have images of the tyre conditions. So can’t say abt that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    We had major blistering when Seb tested normal tyres in Spain, hence his statement.
    By the recent statement from vet, so my option 1 came true. Went with wrong set-up, different suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aroutis View Post
    When criticism is given thru a negative outlook it has no use.
    Also, this is not a place for mass psychoanalysis sessions.
    Meaning, if people get bummed because of negative results, take your negativity elsewhere.
    This is a place where we come to :
    a. Read - post news about Ferrari
    b. Read - post things about the team and its members
    c. Abide by the rules, one of which is SUPPORT the team , and last time I checked, supporting the team is not by banging them on the head with "sack 'm all" kind of posts or, "all is lost" kind of posts.

    It has become very tiresome for those that have been supporting Ferrari since the dark ages, the times before the glory days of the Dream team. When we had to wait for JUST ONE FREAKING PLACE ON THE PODIUM.

    If people do not have the patience to see how a team is built, either stop posting or be gone.
    Chill out babe ;) :*

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    You mean winter testing or in-season test that happened last week. ???
    If it’s winter testing then answer is no. There was no blistering on the tyres.

    If it’s recent test, I don’t have images of the tyre conditions. So can’t say abt that.

    http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/sh...616#post973616
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    Quote Originally Posted by aroutis View Post
    When criticism is given thru a negative outlook it has no use.
    Also, this is not a place for mass psychoanalysis sessions.
    Meaning, if people get bummed because of negative results, take your negativity elsewhere.
    This is a place where we come to :
    a. Read - post news about Ferrari
    b. Read - post things about the team and its members
    c. Abide by the rules, one of which is SUPPORT the team , and last time I checked, supporting the team is not by banging them on the head with "sack 'm all" kind of posts or, "all is lost" kind of posts.

    It has become very tiresome for those that have been supporting Ferrari since the dark ages, the times before the glory days of the Dream team. When we had to wait for JUST ONE FREAKING PLACE ON THE PODIUM.

    If people do not have the patience to see how a team is built, either stop posting or be gone.

    Agree!


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    Quote Originally Posted by aroutis View Post
    When criticism is given thru a negative outlook it has no use.
    Also, this is not a place for mass psychoanalysis sessions.
    Meaning, if people get bummed because of negative results, take your negativity elsewhere.
    This is a place where we come to :
    a. Read - post news about Ferrari
    b. Read - post things about the team and its members
    c. Abide by the rules, one of which is SUPPORT the team , and last time I checked, supporting the team is not by banging them on the head with "sack 'm all" kind of posts or, "all is lost" kind of posts.

    It has become very tiresome for those that have been supporting Ferrari since the dark ages, the times before the glory days of the Dream team. When we had to wait for JUST ONE FREAKING PLACE ON THE PODIUM.

    If people do not have the patience to see how a team is built, either stop posting or be gone.
    Agree 100%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aroutis View Post
    When criticism is given thru a negative outlook it has no use.
    Also, this is not a place for mass psychoanalysis sessions.
    Meaning, if people get bummed because of negative results, take your negativity elsewhere.
    This is a place where we come to :
    a. Read - post news about Ferrari
    b. Read - post things about the team and its members
    c. Abide by the rules, one of which is SUPPORT the team , and last time I checked, supporting the team is not by banging them on the head with "sack 'm all" kind of posts or, "all is lost" kind of posts.

    It has become very tiresome for those that have been supporting Ferrari since the dark ages, the times before the glory days of the Dream team. When we had to wait for JUST ONE FREAKING PLACE ON THE PODIUM.

    If people do not have the patience to see how a team is built, either stop posting or be gone.
    Agree! 100% support. However, I fear that this will fall on deaf ears. The main culprits will be back as soon as we’re not a second clear in P1, 2, 3, quali and lap everyone in the race...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aroutis View Post
    When criticism is given thru a negative outlook it has no use.
    Also, this is not a place for mass psychoanalysis sessions.
    Meaning, if people get bummed because of negative results, take your negativity elsewhere.
    This is a place where we come to :
    a. Read - post news about Ferrari
    b. Read - post things about the team and its members
    c. Abide by the rules, one of which is SUPPORT the team , and last time I checked, supporting the team is not by banging them on the head with "sack 'm all" kind of posts or, "all is lost" kind of posts.

    It has become very tiresome for those that have been supporting Ferrari since the dark ages, the times before the glory days of the Dream team. When we had to wait for JUST ONE FREAKING PLACE ON THE PODIUM.

    If people do not have the patience to see how a team is built, either stop posting or be gone.
    Agree totally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPBD View Post
    Agree! 100% support. However, I fear that this will fall on deaf ears. The main culprits will be back as soon as we’re not a second clear in P1, 2, 3, quali and lap everyone in the race...
    And we all know who they are...
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