Barcelona Testing 2018

[wisepie]

Ferrari's smoking 2018 car: What's it all about and is it a problem?


There was an unusual phenomenon during winter testing - the smoking Ferrari SF71-H.

Every time the Scuderia's new car left the team's garage it trailed a plume of oily smoke, which wafted across the Circuit de Catalunya pit lane.

So what exactly was going on - and why?

Sky F1's Ted Kravitz explains:

"Each of the Ferrari-engined cars - so that's the factory Ferrari, the Haas and the Sauber - has a letterbox shaped rectangular vent directly underneath the rain light housed within the rear crash structure.

"It's there to accommodate an oil breather.

"Breathers are essential parts of any power unit on every car, but this year they've been subject to a new rule which says they must vent to the outside and cannot be routed back into the engine. This suggests teams were doing that previously which could have given them a power boost - but anyway, what is unusual, is that these Ferrari-engined cars are spewing out more oil than Renault or Mercedes-engined cars.

"There's a fine mist of oil coming out the Ferrari, Haas and Sauber's vents when out on track or even just when they are going down the pitlane.

"You could notice it, for instance, on the test two, day one edition of Ted's Notebook.

"It was abundantly clear whenever Sebastian Vettel fired up in the garage because a huge plume spilled out of the garage

"Asking around, it seems to be that the Ferrari engine simply uses an awful lot more oil than its rivals.

"It is, though, a different thing to oil burning which is now limited to 1.8 litres per race. That's oil that gets consumed within the combustion chamber. This is just used engine oil - a lot of it!

"The phenomenon of the smokin' Ferraris will be one to watch out for when racing starts."

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/124...s-it-a-problem

This is a bit worrying as it has been suggested that we may have issues with not only fuel consumption but also oil consumption, which doesn't bode well for the longevity of our engines. I'm sure that the team are aware of these factors, if true, but it's not the ideal way to start the season when only 3 engines are permitted.

[gvera]

Ferrari's smoking 2018 car: What's it all about and is it a problem?


There was an unusual phenomenon during winter testing - the smoking Ferrari SF71-H.

Every time the Scuderia's new car left the team's garage it trailed a plume of oily smoke, which wafted across the Circuit de Catalunya pit lane.

So what exactly was going on - and why?

Sky F1's Ted Kravitz explains:

"Each of the Ferrari-engined cars - so that's the factory Ferrari, the Haas and the Sauber - has a letterbox shaped rectangular vent directly underneath the rain light housed within the rear crash structure.

"It's there to accommodate an oil breather.

"Breathers are essential parts of any power unit on every car, but this year they've been subject to a new rule which says they must vent to the outside and cannot be routed back into the engine. This suggests teams were doing that previously which could have given them a power boost - but anyway, what is unusual, is that these Ferrari-engined cars are spewing out more oil than Renault or Mercedes-engined cars.

"There's a fine mist of oil coming out the Ferrari, Haas and Sauber's vents when out on track or even just when they are going down the pitlane.

"You could notice it, for instance, on the test two, day one edition of Ted's Notebook.

"It was abundantly clear whenever Sebastian Vettel fired up in the garage because a huge plume spilled out of the garage

"Asking around, it seems to be that the Ferrari engine simply uses an awful lot more oil than its rivals.

"It is, though, a different thing to oil burning which is now limited to 1.8 litres per race. That's oil that gets consumed within the combustion chamber. This is just used engine oil - a lot of it!

"The phenomenon of the smokin' Ferraris will be one to watch out for when racing starts."

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/124...s-it-a-problem

I beleive this is wrong, FIA just receives info regarding main oil tank level at all times and measures oil comsumption with that info, they cannot know how much of it is burnt. The difference between levels must comply with the rules and that's all.

[jgonzalesm6]

He'll be more than fine. He's had some time testing last year's SF70 and in Ferrari's simulator. It's a different car and he'll adapt accordingly. He seems very mature for his age and will do great things. Looking very forward to watching him take on Verstappen in the near future.

I thought he was pushing the car and finding the limits hence him spinning out. His feedback towards the engineers might be lacking but that will come with time. LeClerc and Mad Max should be epic in the future.

This is a bit worrying as it has been suggested that we may have issues with not only fuel consumption but also oil consumption, which doesn't bode well for the longevity of our engines. I'm sure that the team are aware of these factors, if true, but it's not the ideal way to start the season when only 3 engines are permitted.

I beleive this is wrong, FIA just receives info regarding main oil tank level at all times and measures oil comsumption with that info, they cannot know how much of it is burnt. The difference between levels must comply with the rules and that's all.

My concern is the marshalls and the FIA from a safety standpoint. Can you imagine Ferrari, Alfa, and HAAS spewing smoke across the pitlane during FP and Quali with all the pit personell, camera journo's, media all about??? I wonder if the marshalls will deem it unsafe??? What then??

[gvera]

I thought he was pushing the car and finding the limits hence him spinning out. His feedback towards the engineers might be lacking but that will come with time. LeClerc and Mad Max should be epic in the future.





My concern is the marshalls and the FIA from a safety standpoint. Can you imagine Ferrari, Alfa, and HAAS spewing smoke across the pitlane during FP and Quali with all the pit personell, camera journo's, media all about??? I wonder if the marshalls will deem it unsafe??? What then??

How much smoke can .6lt oil/100km can make?

[evo_spook]

I thought he was pushing the car and finding the limits hence him spinning out. His feedback towards the engineers might be lacking but that will come with time. LeClerc and Mad Max should be epic in the future.





My concern is the marshalls and the FIA from a safety standpoint. Can you imagine Ferrari, Alfa, and HAAS spewing smoke across the pitlane during FP and Quali with all the pit personell, camera journo's, media all about??? I wonder if the marshalls will deem it unsafe??? What then??

You left out following drivers, if one can’t see and crashes due to obscured visor, what then.

[jgonzalesm6]

How much smoke can .6lt oil/100km can make?

Did you get to witness some of the pics from Ferrari and Alfa during testing??

Look at that video of the female journo in said link from SkySports I just posted...look how far all that smoke goes into the pit lane and the area it covers.

[jgonzalesm6]

You left out following drivers, if one can’t see and crashes due to obscured visor, what then.

that too but at least they have the flashing rain light blinking. We have seen some close calls when a car gets released from piting and another comes in to pit and a clear pitlane.

[Greig]

LOL it's a wisp of smoke hardly a vision affecting smokescreen that will block the pitlane and other drivers.

[FerrariF60]

that smoke the ferrari is producing is our "lethal weapon" to disappear into the distance at the start of the race.....lol

[mardyrt]

Anyone with engine knowledge. What the quick fix to make an engine less thirsty without losing performance. Please

The quickest one is to put more power into the electrical system. If you can increase the battery specific power, then, you can get more power into the same size of battery and release more. Also, recover energy faster or more energy recovery. If you can get the car to go faster, then you use less fuel because you are on the throttle for less time. Then you can recover more energy because you are at a higher speed. But, I think this is very circuit specific.

[alfaromeo]

In this hybrid - electric have Mercedes advantage they have the most powerful electric system which help to engine with power and less fuel.

[FerrariSteve]

In this hybrid - electric have Mercedes advantage they have the most powerful electric system which help to engine with power and less fuel.

Lets be honest they have a HUGE advantage, not only the PU which is way better than anything else and also has bulletproof reliability but their chassis is also better. add it together and it's one big advantage.

Quite frankly I don't see us or anyone beating them until 2020-21 when the new rules come in. Their advantage is just too huge and these garbage V6 hybrid PU's play right into their hand.

Believe me I would dearly LOVE to be proved wrong, but I really don't think I will be. :(
I can see Hamilton closing and passing a lot of Michael's records and it disgusts me, I mean sure Michael had a rocketship car too but only in 2002/2004, not for 4-5 years straight!

F1 just really depresses me these days but boy would I love to see Ferrari give them a good kicking and take the titles.

[FF1]

Do you guys think that the reason Mercedes is so confident after testing is that they got some inside info regarding Ferrari from sassi?

[jgonzalesm6]

I mean sure Michael had a rocketship car too but only in 2002/2004, not for 4-5 years straight!

ummmm....correction->2000 thru 2004....thats 5yrs straight for the WDC title.

[killer]

So by most accounts, the 71 is ungainly around corners, needs too much fuel, produces too much smoke, fast only on the softer rubber, lags behind the Mercedes and the Red Bull, and is driven by a sleepwalker and a hothead.

I say we've got 'em exactly where we want 'em. Roll on Melbourne.

[Bonecrasher]

Come on now, Michael has had race winning cars for a huge Majority of his career but also with contracted No. 2s in the other seat. Michael had one of the most ideal situations in history after Fangio.

[mwk360]

Lets be honest they have a HUGE advantage, not only the PU which is way better than anything else and also has bulletproof reliability but their chassis is also better. add it together and it's one big advantage.

Quite frankly I don't see us or anyone beating them until 2020-21 when the new rules come in. Their advantage is just too huge and these garbage V6 hybrid PU's play right into their hand.

Believe me I would dearly LOVE to be proved wrong, but I really don't think I will be. :(
I can see Hamilton closing and passing a lot of Michael's records and it disgusts me, I mean sure Michael had a rocketship car too but only in 2002/2004, not for 4-5 years straight!

F1 just really depresses me these days but boy would I love to see Ferrari give them a good kicking and take the titles.

100% agree

[Vettel165]

If Mercedes will have their problems with the softer tyres we will win it easy in Australia. Mark my words, Ferrari is hiding a lot more pace than the Mercedes, this is just tactic, that they dont show all the cards. In 10 days we will know more.
Look at this race pace comparision between Bottas and Vettel. He can easily match with the medium tyres Bottas lap times in the middle stint. But than the drop of lap times is smaller than by Bottas, that means we are clearly sandbagging a lot. Look at that 19.9 pace at the end, I think Seb could easily go into low 19.00 lap times if he wanted to. He was simply driving to the delta, not pushing at all. I also heard that at the end of that of that 52 lap long stint Seb still had a lot of fuel when he returned into the pits.



Forza.

[Greig]

ummmm....correction->2000 thru 2004....thats 5yrs straight for the WDC title.

Yeah but only 2002 and 2004 did he have a car way better than the rest, the other years he did have to fight for the titles.

[Rob]

ummmm....correction->2000 thru 2004....thats 5yrs straight for the WDC title.

2000-2004? mmm think you will find that 4 years. We won WCC 1999-2004, thats 5 years.

[Rob]

Getting fed up with this smoke "problems" Merc has had the same thing for couple of year. But hey thats fine, SKYF1 reported as, Merc over fills the oil. But we do it, oh no we have problems. So pathetic how F1 media reporting stories about issues we have because we have small oil smoke coming out. Just like Mercs did, maybe still do but hey, again that will not be reported as much.

[JPBD]

2000-2004? mmm think you will find that 4 years. We won WCC 1999-2004, thats 5 years.

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 - 5 years.

[farid-baku]

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 - 5 years.

1999-2004 WCC WDC 2000-2004

[Rob]

2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 - 5 years.

[FerrariSteve]

ummmm....correction->2000 thru 2004....thats 5yrs straight for the WDC title.

I disagree there.. His Ferrari was not the most dominant Car in 2000/2001 or 2003, yes he won but the car wasn't dominant like the Mercs.

[Tony]

So by most accounts, the 71 is ungainly around corners, needs too much fuel, produces too much smoke, fast only on the softer rubber, lags behind the Mercedes and the Red Bull, and is driven by a sleepwalker and a hothead.

I say we've got 'em exactly where we want 'em. Roll on Melbourne.

+1

[Giallo 550]

So by most accounts, the 71 is ungainly around corners, needs too much fuel, produces too much smoke, fast only on the softer rubber, lags behind the Mercedes and the Red Bull, and is driven by a sleepwalker and a hothead.

I say we've got 'em exactly where we want 'em. Roll on Melbourne.

[mardyrt]

If Mercedes will have their problems with the softer tyres we will win it easy in Australia. Mark my words, Ferrari is hiding a lot more pace than the Mercedes, this is just tactic, that they dont show all the cards. In 10 days we will know more.
Look at this race pace comparision between Bottas and Vettel. He can easily match with the medium tyres Bottas lap times in the middle stint. But than the drop of lap times is smaller than by Bottas, that means we are clearly sandbagging a lot. Look at that 19.9 pace at the end, I think Seb could easily go into low 19.00 lap times if he wanted to. He was simply driving to the delta, not pushing at all. I also heard that at the end of that of that 52 lap long stint Seb still had a lot of fuel when he returned into the pits.

https://s10.postimg.org/9gzu47z09/Brez_naslova.png

Forza.

Where did you hear about a lot of fuel in the tank at the end of the stint?
All I have read was that they had problems with fuel.
Please, please, can you give us a link to the article.

[mardyrt]

I must say, if Ferrari is fast, and all the experts are wrong, then, it will be like the 2016 US election, Trump got elected. All the "experts" said Hillary would win!! It would be like that, but little different! LOL!!

[Aberracus]

Where did you hear about a lot of fuel in the tank at the end of the stint?
All I have read was that they had problems with fuel.
Please, please, can you give us a link to the article.

Vettel declared that after his race simulation with a smile, the fuel problem is just a theory, only a deduction for Ferrari driving to a delta in the Sims.