2018 Spanish GP: RACE

**jgonzalesm6** · 15th May 2018, 10:01

Dr Helmut Marko is alleging that Mercedes is receiving special treatment by F1 tyre supplier Pirelli.

Wolff slams Marko over tyre conspiracy https://www.f1-fansite.com/f1-news/w...re-conspiracy/ …

**jgonzalesm6** · 15th May 2018, 10:12

McLaren inspired sidepods wings/strakes on the W09 (Barcelona Pirelii testing)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdOrL2yXcAAI_pI.jpg

laps and time sheets

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdOttRRW0AExpL6.jpg

**nani_s23** · 15th May 2018, 10:21

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

Dr Helmut Marko is alleging that Mercedes is receiving special treatment by F1 tyre supplier Pirelli.

Wolff slams Marko over tyre conspiracy https://www.f1-fansite.com/f1-news/w...re-conspiracy/ …

So it was only mercs who wanted the tyre change & Pirelli agreed for the change for the sake of 1 team obligation. This is really a conspiracy. I don’t know why other teams aren’t protesting such favouritism.

**jgonzalesm6** · 15th May 2018, 10:24

Protest against Ferrari in Monaco? [Teams believe Ferrari are cheating with there battery and want clarity on the matter by Monaco]-->Amus.

**nani_s23** · 15th May 2018, 10:25

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

Protest against Ferrari in Monaco? [Teams believe Ferrari are cheating with there battery and want clarity on the matter by Monaco]-->Amus.

They (FIA) deemed it legal in Spain right.

**jgonzalesm6** · 15th May 2018, 10:29

Originally Posted by nani_s23

So it was only mercs who wanted the tyre change & Pirelli agreed for the change for the sake of 1 team obligation. This is really a conspiracy. I don’t know why other teams aren’t protesting such favouritism.

yep, RedBull did'nt have tyre issues during the Barcelona testing in the beginning of the year for 2018.

Originally Posted by nani_s23

They (FIA) deemed it legal in Spain right.

yep....so far..but like with all teams, they have a right to protest and want more clarification.

**jgonzalesm6** · 15th May 2018, 10:32

12 o'clock hour Barcelona Pirelli testing...Laps and times

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdOuxSSW4AAy_TE.jpg

**jragona** · 15th May 2018, 10:33

Teams should protest Merc/Pirelli for changing the tires mid-season given that they worked in all races so far! Ridiculous favouritism!

**nani_s23** · 15th May 2018, 10:35

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

yep, RedBull did'nt have tyre issues during the Barcelona testing in the beginning of the year for 2018.

yep....so far..but like with all teams, they have a right to protest and want more clarification.

I have read the article, it seems mercs pinched its customer teams FI & Williams. As haasf1 team is putting up good quali performances & questioning its technical relationship with Ferrari. Wt a sadgoons are mercs lauda & wolf.
They realised only tyre change can save them in the rest of the races. Their power advantage is now negated by Ferrari, now they are crying.

**nani_s23** · 15th May 2018, 10:36

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

yep, RedBull did'nt have tyre issues during the Barcelona testing in the beginning of the year for 2018.

yep....so far..but like with all teams, they have a right to protest and want more clarification.

Also they want to divert Pirelli/mercs tyre issue. By bringing up Ferrari into limelight.

**jgonzalesm6** · 15th May 2018, 10:38

Originally Posted by nani_s23

Also they want to divert Pirelli/mercs tyre issue. By bringing up Ferrari into limelight.

that's a possibility.

**nani_s23** · 15th May 2018, 10:39

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

12 o'clock hour Barcelona Pirelli testing...Laps and times

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdOuxSSW4AAy_TE.jpg

Any information about wt tyres they are using

**schuy** · 15th May 2018, 10:48

When is the last last time Pirelli or any other tyre manufacturer changed a tyre construction during mid season due to blistering in previous years? Kinda of remember Canadian gp 97 race, lots of tyre blistering during the race, teams just had to make an extra pit stop, made it an exciting race, it wasn't just a 1 stop boring race for safety reasons. Basically any new circuit or re surfaced track Pirelli should bring a new tyre constructions from now on or is this just another over reaction to a rule in F1.

**jgonzalesm6** · 15th May 2018, 10:57

Originally Posted by schuy

When is the last last time Pirelli or any other tyre manufacturer changed a tyre construction during mid season due to blistering in previous years? Kinda of remember Canadian gp 97 race, lots of tyre blistering during the race, teams just had to make an extra pit stop, made it an exciting race, it wasn't just a 1 stop boring race for safety reasons.

Tyre/tire tech. has come a long way since 97 on top off todays cars are generating more loads on the tyre/tire......no comparison.

**nani_s23** · 15th May 2018, 10:57

Originally Posted by schuy

When is the last last time Pirelli or any other tyre manufacturer changed a tyre construction during mid season due to blistering in previous years? Kinda of remember Canadian gp 97 race, lots of tyre blistering during the race, teams just had to make an extra pit stop, made it an exciting race, it wasn't just a 1 stop boring race for safety reasons. Basically any new circuit or re surfaced track Pirelli should bring a new tyre constructions from now on or is this just another over reaction to a rule in F1.

The thing surprises even more is blistering was excessively on mercs & to extent RB. Rest of the teams doesn’t have any problem with that.
On the same note, it’s only mercs that raised concern not all teams. So to satisfy 1 team need Pirelli changed the tread.

When asked to Pirelli chief isola he says that there is “no much difference, compounds are same. In order to avoid blistering & make it a lottery race we have done better to make it a actual racing”.
He’s denying vet’s & RB claims “why would we benefiting to 1 team”.

**512 TR** · 15th May 2018, 11:01

If it was a wiring problem to the pistons in Kimis car it's just careless by the mechanics and obviously connected to the problems on friday. They just didn't check all the changes more carefully. All these little errors will ultimately cost Ferrari the WCC if they continue.

**jgonzalesm6** · 15th May 2018, 11:03

Originally Posted by nani_s23

Any information about wt tyres they are using

It's wierd.......some are using hypersofts...some mediums

Ferrari

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdOkoP-XkAoZMKL.jpg (Seb on Softs???)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdOwpnyW4AE6Utq.jpg (Seb on softs)

**Larry_Cule** · 15th May 2018, 11:04

Let's hope they can do something with these data

**nani_s23** · 15th May 2018, 11:09

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

It's wierd.......some are using hypersofts...some mediums

Ferrari

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdOkoP-XkAoZMKL.jpg (Seb on Softs???)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdOwpnyW4AE6Utq.jpg (Seb on softs)

One more thing, ferrari using old tyres & new changed tyres also right for this testing ,???

**jragona** · 15th May 2018, 11:09

I hope they show the difference between the two tires, showing the Ferrari did not just lose pace. But since they will be used again the team will still need to get on top of them.

**nani_s23** · 15th May 2018, 11:11

Originally Posted by 512 TR

If it was a wiring problem to the pistons in Kimis car it's just careless by the mechanics and obviously connected to the problems on friday. They just didn't check all the changes more carefully. All these little errors will ultimately cost Ferrari the WCC if they continue.

WCC will be come into equation once again when Ferrari does 1-2 again. Else I’m not a believer of WCC by seeing Kimi’s race pace. He’s quali form is on top, but in race he sticks to that place.

**jgonzalesm6** · 15th May 2018, 11:24

TIMESHEET at 1PM [CET] F1Testing:
- Grosjean leads the way.
- Verstappen has the most laps under his belt.

Pirell Test:
- Russell has completed 64 laps for Force India
- Norris completed 66 laps thus far and has been in the gravel once on the HARD tyres.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdO61DmX0AAVYrN.jpg

**schuy** · 15th May 2018, 11:48

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

Tyre/tire tech. has come a long way since 97 on top off todays cars are generating more loads on the tyre/tire......no comparison.

Wasn't comparing just saying it's been part of racing for as long as I've been watching, even in recent times, never have I seen a tire company change a spec due to blistering mid season from when they were tested in total different conditions.

**Greig** · 15th May 2018, 12:18

Originally Posted by schuy

When is the last last time Pirelli or any other tyre manufacturer changed a tyre construction during mid season due to blistering in previous years? Kinda of remember Canadian gp 97 race, lots of tyre blistering during the race, teams just had to make an extra pit stop, made it an exciting race, it wasn't just a 1 stop boring race for safety reasons. Basically any new circuit or re surfaced track Pirelli should bring a new tyre constructions from now on or is this just another over reaction to a rule in F1.

They have not changed the tyre construction

This is not the first time Pirelli have made such a request - the tyre supplier reduced the tread depth in 2011 and 2012 for the Belgian and Italian Grands Prix.

**nani_s23** · 15th May 2018, 12:23

Originally Posted by Greig

They have not changed the tyre construction

2011-12 was inclusive of couple of teams. Williams,RB,FI. As there were couple of tyre failures in one of the race.

**Greig** · 15th May 2018, 12:25

Originally Posted by nani_s23

2011-12 was inclusive of couple of teams. Williams,RB,FI. As there were couple of tyre failures in one of the race.

No it was just tread taken off the tyre for certain races same as this year. There was no uproar back then either.....

**jgonzalesm6** · 15th May 2018, 12:28

Originally Posted by nani_s23

2011-12 was inclusive of couple of teams. Williams,RB,FI. As there were couple of tyre failures in one of the race.

I think he means the fundamentals of constructing a tyre. They have changed in materials and rubber compounds but the overall construction is basically the same. thats my 2 cents.

In the case you mention, they added kevlar and other materials to the overall construction of the tyre for rigidity and durability.

**nani_s23** · 15th May 2018, 12:29

Originally Posted by Greig

No it was just tread taken off the tyre for certain races same as this year. There was no uproar back then either.....

There was no protest because, decision was taken with concerning teams which includes atleast 3 teams not single team mercs like now.

**Greig** · 15th May 2018, 12:30

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

I think he means the fundamentals of constructing a tyre. They have changed in materials and rubber compounds but the overall construction is basically the same. thats my 2 cents.

In the case you mention, they added kevlar and other materials to the overall construction of the tyre for rigidity and durability.

People seem confused on this issue, they have not changed the tyres construction or added anything like they did in 2013 to stop the blow outs. They have taken 0.4mm off the tread for 3 races this year and have done the same for 2 races in the past then go back to the tyres with an extra 0.4mm of tread.

**jgonzalesm6** · 15th May 2018, 12:35

Originally Posted by Greig

People seem confused on this issue, they have not changed the tyres construction or added anything like they did in 2013 to stop the blow outs. They have taken 0.4mm off the tread for 3 races this year and have done the same for 2 races in the past then go back to the tyres with an extra 0.4mm of tread.

I understand the shave of this current tyre used in Spain and the following other 2 GP's. It has to do with tread depth hence the "shave."

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