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Originally Posted by gump1480
Look at the top 3 (max speed per sector).....almost all at the bottom with the exception of BOT. I would say it's indicative of downforce and suspension setup. The Force India's had way less downforce and a different suspension setup which is why they could carry more speed.
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What a great day to be a Ferrari fan!
Super Super Seb was just magnificent. It was so good to watch Toto's face during the race. Merc had no answer for us. I would love to see a few more similar races with maybe a Ferrari 1, 2.
Ham was in no mood to race yesterday maybe he partied into the wee small hours or Toto is not matching his contractual requirements! Whatever!
Poor Kimi didn't manage to recover from quali.
Charles showed how consistent he can beSauber must be well pleased with him.
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Kimi was not on the newest spec engine.......Vettel was.
also
Verstappen did Canadian GP "on his own" after Red Bull talks - Horner
Max ran a clean race. Thought there might a mix up with Bottas but it was clean between the both of them and he let Bottas through.
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How Vettel and Ferrari turned "disaster" into triumph
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/h...iumph-1045595/
Sebastian Vettel admitted that day one of the Canadian Grand Prix weekend was a "disaster" for him. The way he and Ferrari recovered for victory showed why right now he looks like title favourite.
Sebastian Vettel described Friday practice for the Canadian Grand Prix as "a disaster". The balance of the Ferrari wasn't right, Max Verstappen set the pace for Red Bull and Vettel brushed the wall at the end of practice one then sat out the first 34 minutes of the second session while waiting for the car to be repaired.
What's more, Montreal specialist Lewis Hamilton looked strong. Though he was down in fourth place, Hamilton had set his fastest time on the slowest, supersoft, tyre compound and he looked very quick on the long runs.
Cue some serious work overnight, both in Montreal and at Ferrari's Maranello base with reserve driver Antonio Giovinazzi putting in the miles in the simulator. The result was a car good enough to take pole position from Valtteri Bottas by 0.093 seconds, win comfortably and give Vettel the lead of the world championship.
"Friday was a disaster for me," said Vettel. "But on Saturday morning the situation was much better and the car proved in qualifying that the set-up was very good. Today, we confirmed the job was done in the right direction. With the new power unit, I think we made a quite good step."
While F1's three grandee teams – Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes – are in a different class to the rest of the field, the competition between the three is ferocious. Tiny differences can lead to big swings, and the upgrade to the Ferrari V6 engine was one such factor.
Reliability concerns led to Mercedes postponing its upgrade to the French GP in two weeks, forcing both Hamilton and Bottas to use engines that had previously been slated to have their final race at the twisty, and less power-hungry, Hungaroring at the end of July.
That wasn't the only factor. Mercedes allocated only five sets of hypersofts for each of its two drivers, preventing them from trying the compound that would decide pole position before Saturday. Others had eight sets available, so ran them in Friday practice too. That was a decision made three months ago, yet it had implications here.
And had slightly different set-up decisions been made for Hamilton's car, perhaps the mistake under braking for the hairpin wouldn't have happened, and he could have taken the pole position he claimed was possible. And what if he hadn't suffered cooling problems in the race and resulting power dropouts, which forced an early pitstop to allow several louvres to be opened and left Hamilton vulnerable to an overcut overtake by Daniel Ricciardo?
Every grand prix weekend is about millions of ifs and buts, in the case of Canada it added up to a pace advantage of about a tenth of a second per lap for Vettel and Ferrari when it mattered on Saturday and Sunday. What is unquestionable is that Ferrari made far more right calls than wrong ones. This, combined with Vettel's virtuosity, added up to a crucial win in the world championship fight.
Debate rages about which of 2018's leading cars is the best one – an argument the Red Bull is in, and probably wins, if you normalise for engine performance – but nobody can question that Ferrari is the best team so far. And Vettel had more in the bank than it appeared in qualifying. He wasn't happy with his pace in the first half of the lap on his first Q3 run, then lost time in the final sector on his second. His theoretical time, created by totalling his three fastest sectors, was 0.088s faster.
So even though both Mercedes drivers had reasons to kick themselves - Bottas because he failed to pick up the pace on his second Q3 run - there's no guarantee that if all the frontrunners had perfect runs the result would have been different. The one thing we can be certain of is that Verstappen, who qualified third and 0.173s down, was losing around a third of a second thanks to the Renault engine package even with the latest upgrade working as anticipated.
Once he had pole position, Vettel just needed to make sure his start was right. He did that to perfection, making a clean break while Bottas and Verstappen battled through Turns 1 and 2. Initially, it seemed Verstappen would come out ahead, but Bottas toughed it out around the outside of the first left-hander then squeezed between Verstappen and the inside kerb in the slower right-hander that follows immediately.
"On the right-hand side [of the grid], the grip didn't feel that great," said Bottas. "It was quite dusty and most of the other categories this weekend have had rolling starts instead of standing starts, so there was no rubber at all and the other side was clean.
"I had some wheelspin initially so Max got inside. The only opportunity for me was to go on the outside and try to carry as much speed as I could to get into position for Turn 2. We touched a little bit but it was OK, and I kept second place."
Frustratingly for Vettel, the safety car was deployed when he had already checked out thanks to Brendon Hartley's Toro Rosso being hit by Lance Stroll's Williams at the Turn 5 right hander. This pushed the left side of Hartley's car up onto the barrier, with the two machines remaining locked together until they came to rest in the wall at Turn 6. Hartley was dispatched to hospital via the medical centre for checks and subsequently cleared and released.
This meant Vettel had to do it all again at the restart. He did so, although perhaps with Bottas a little too close for comfort. Both Ferraris and the two Mercedes started on the ultrasoft Pirellis having used them to set their Q2 times, while Red Bull pairing Verstappen and Ricciardo were on the hypersofts, so there were no concerns about being forced into an early pitstop.
"It was important to open the gap straight away," said Vettel. "I was very happy with my first lap, but then there was a safety car. I had a good restart so stayed out of trouble and then I was able to open a gap gradually. We had the right strategy, the right tyre, so we could stay out and control the race from there, keep the gap stable to Valtteri."
Bottas knew his one chance to take the lead was to be as close as possible before the pitstops, so he attacked during the first stint to try to stay in contention. This strategy didn't pay off and he was six seconds behind when he dived into the pits at the end of lap 36 of the 70 to take supersofts.
Vettel followed a lap later and came back out with an advantage of over five seconds. Bottas did threaten during the second stint, at one stage closing to just three seconds behind. But the need for the Mercedes to preserve fuel in the closing stages meant Vettel was able to pull away again.
Bottas reckoned the one-tenth gap to Ferrari in qualifying was representative of the pace difference, so he wasn't surprised to finish, officially, 7.4s behind. Officially because the final two laps of the race never happened thanks to the chequered flag being waved early and the results being counted back to the lap before – lap 68 - as a result of a miscommunication between race control and the starter. This led to the unfortunate Canadian model, Winnie Harlow, being told to put the chequered flag out prematurely.
"Ferrari had pace in hand, so they could start fuel saving in the first stint," said Bottas. "At that time, we were trying to push and get closer to them and worry about it later. I don't think I finished with any fuel at the end of the race, even with the big lift before the start/finish line, which is why Max got really close, we were so critical on fuel. That was the best chance to win the race, we had to worry about it later."
The results declared the gap between Bottas and Verstappen to be 0.984s, but on the phantom 70th lap the gap at the line was just 0.117s.
Vettel, up ahead, had little to worry about save for a flurry of settings changes to ensure good management of the Ferrari engine package.
"After the stop, I had to change a lot of things on the steering wheel," he said. "At some point I was close to saying 'when am I able to drive again?' because I was looking down and changing something and changing back. We were managing something in the background."
Verstappen was delighted to have a shot at nicking second, but admitted there was no chance to get by other than with Bottas's lack of fuel. Had he been able to get ahead, who knows whether he could have done something about Vettel on a weekend where he was comfortably the stronger of the Red Bull drivers.
While the top three were static throughout, the battle for the bottom half of the top six was more dramatic. Hamilton held fourth from the start, but was visibly not happy with the balance of the car – on one occasion having a big opposite lock moment as the rear got away from him in the middle of Turn 1.
This was compounded by complaints of a loss of power, which turned out to be because of overheating. This was as a result of an unspecified part failure, which forced Mercedes to call him in for his first stop on lap 16 – earlier than anticipated and in the expected range for the first stop on hypersofts, rather than the ultrasofts Hamilton was running at that time.
Extra cooling louvres behind the driver's shoulders were opened up in the stop, which helped but did not completely solve the problems. Verstappen was just over two seconds ahead at this point, and there was a space for him to drop into in traffic so Red Bull also called him in to protect him from an undercut attack.
"It was huge, I thought the engine was going to fail," said Hamilton. "Straight from the start, we got out of Turn 2 and the power started dropping out. There were lots of hesitations, the engine dropping in power, so I thought it was going to blow."
Hamilton complained about the timing of the stop over the radio, and that's understandable as it allowed Ricciardo to complete an 'overcut' pass. Ricciardo stayed out for a lap, and re-emerged between Verstappen and Hamilton.
Ricciardo had a lacklustre weekend by his standards. An electrical problem on Friday practice stymied his progress and he admitted to not having found a good rhythm come qualifying. Even in the race, Verstappen had the clear pace advantage, as the duo were separated by less than two seconds after the stops. By the finish, Ricciardo had faded to 12s behind.
The frustrated Hamilton was right on his tail for much of the second stint before backing off on the final couple of laps after overdoing it into the hairpin, locking up and running wide – but the official results counted back two laps and gave a much more representative 0.667s gap. He was satisfied just to finish, with the power dropouts continuing in the closing laps.
Last in the 'top six' class was Kimi Raikkonen, who had a disappointing weekend. He started fifth after understeering onto the grass on his key Q3 lap, then Ricciardo got alongside him into Turn 1. After running together through Turn 2, Ricciardo came out ahead and that was that.
Raikkonen, without any pressure from behind thanks to a gap to Nico Hulkenberg that was over 1m10s at the finish, stayed out until lap 32 and did a good job to emerge right on the tail of Hamilton and Ricciardo. He then lost interest in that battle, with his 16-lap tyre life advantage over Hamilton on supersofts translating into a gap of just under six seconds by the finish.
Ferrari still ended the race delighted, with Vettel letting his emotion show in parc ferme as he celebrated an unlikely win. The Mercedes camp seemed disproportionately angry about the defeat, but that's because Canada is regarded as its territory. What Ferrari and Vettel did in Montreal confirms the suspicion that Maranello currently has the sharper race operation.
"It is a strong track for us, but all weekend long we made little mistakes from the beginning on," said Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff. "We have to wake up."
Things weren't that bad for Mercedes, it was just on the wrong side of many small choices and mistakes that added up to a swing in Ferrari's favour. That's how it has been all season, and on current form it may just be the same all the way to Abu Dhabi.
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Best win of the season for us, clean & clear !!
So happy
I was driving during the race and peeping at the F1 app from time to time; in the first laps Vet put purple sector after purple sector (like, more than 10-15 consecutive fastest sectors); then, I knew it is our race!
Great job by the team with the new engine!
Great drive by Seb! A bit dissipointed by Kimi (again)..
I believe we will be strong also in France, at Paul Ricard, no matter the tires
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Having slept on it, I am less disappointed in Kimi's performance than I was yesterday afternoon. Other than Danny's pass on him at the start, there wasn't a single pass or passing attempt among the front 6. I think there may have been less passing in Canada than Monaco. 16 laps newer or not, there simply wasn't enough delta in the tires to do anything for anyone. Even when the Red Bulls had the Hypersoft tires on with everyone around them on Ultras, other than a slight advantage Danny has in T1/T2, they could not do anything with the guys in front of them. Had Kimi kept his P5 at the start, he would have finished the parade in P5.
Is P5 better than P6, sure, could those 2 points play a crucial role at the end of the season for the WCC? Maybe, but in the end, I don't think his run was all that bad. A tenth faster in the pits and he could have had Hamilton. Oh well. Onto France we go.
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Kimi had one of his terrible sleepy trademark starts at the beginning. As for passing Hamilton, i'm not saying he must've passed him, but he should've at least put some pressure on him show some fire instead of going back into sleep mode.
I think Kvyat will do better at this point. It's that bad.
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Completely agree! With the new engine and far younger tires he should have been giving Ham hell, instead he just went backwards. I don't know about some people on this forum but I was not happy to see this. I wouldn't be surprised if he is not in a Ferrari next year if this continues.
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Kimi still had old engine I believe.
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Next race will give better picture of that. Whether it’s tyres or suspension.
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Ferrari tyre or suspension problems will be sorted lewis believes ferrari will falter he is sweating on this what a bad sport he enjoys the potential down fall of others but does not see his own short comings ferrari will keep piling on the pressure and so will red bull he has it coming from all angles its he that will falter lets be honest he is having an average year and has been gifted results vetal would be that far in front in wcc that lewis would be crying in his soup he has a real fight on his hands and he knows this no more free lunches lewis ferrari have caught if not passed mercedes pour it on boys merc will falter more the more they panic the further they will sink just like being in quick sand.
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Pretty good race summation in the Autosport article but to call it an "unlikely win" after securing pole Saturday and leading the race from start to finish? Do you think maybe they were hoping someone else would win?
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yep, completely agree. Had he not been falling asleep at the wheel and not let Ricci pass him, he and the rest of the top 3 would have ended the same way. It's all based on the undercut or overcut during pit strategy to pass when it involves the top 3.
Kimi would have had a better quali and had he not fell asleep at the wheel during the start he would have had a podium finish. He had issues with the old engine and they had to change out something (i forgot what already). During the race, not much any of the top 3 can do.
Kimi had an old engine.
correct.
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As the tyres wore down, Vettel locked up into the chicane, but without really flat-spotting them. He was being asked to complete all sorts of systems switches at around this time. “At some stages I was saying, ‘Ok, when I am allowed to drive again?’ They were just managing something in the background. Otherwise car was beautiful today.”
So what was it that needed to be managed? “It wasn’t a problem with the car,” related a Ferrari spokesman, “just something we need to do to satisfy the FIA.” This is believed to be related to proving that no advantage is being taken of the twin battery layout being used to circumnavigate the FIA energy deployment sensors.
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/r...nd-prix-report
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If you could put some coma and full stop
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I hope they don’t have to do this from now on, it’s unfair unless they require this from other teams also.
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Wow ! So many Ferrari fans here disappointed it wasn't Kimi with the win. Seb needed the win off pole. Ferrari got the points! Kimi in 6th spot old engine, team orders; and whatever else he has to do, and does for the team and Seb isn't a bad finish at all. Meanwhile Leclerc is doing great in his F1 start. I can't see him wanting Kimi's spot as #2 driver and in a who knows what # car. Both Merc, Pirelli & FIA big shots must be on "Super Hard " medication after this race, knowing Ferrari is and will be the team of 2018!!! no matter how hard they try to mess the red team up.
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He needed to finish ahead of Hamilton. Dassit
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Or at least we would be happy if he tried
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Go Ferrari, beat them all!
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Yup atleast couple of races... !! That would give nice buffer for vettel if any reliability issues ahead.
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Da da dadada da!!!!!
Best of Team Radio | 2018 Canadian Grand Prix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQp9PUb50rA
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Leclerc will take that sit with thinking. Just think about how much experience he can get from SV.
He won’t get a better chance then that. Also so far he has proved that he can drive. For me put him on the other Ferrari next season!!
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"Perseverence is power"
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yep, to be a #2 driver....comes restraint on the track and off the track (media) and have a relationship with your team-mate. You do what your told and you carry it out.
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Hamilton was lucky in his misfortune... they were expecting the engine to let go during the race and instead it didn't... that's 10 points he saved that could have been lost...
Rest in Peace Leza, you were a true warrior...
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I hope I’m incorrect, but I think Mercedes delay the engine because they have a strategy to play on it. I haven’t check the calander but if they play it correct they can put more power in some tracks now because they are off schedule from others teams PUs. My thinking
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this is very true. So even when he's unlucky, he's lucky.
(if that makes sense)
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It's very frustrating, but it's a testament to the consistency of the Mercedes team, so they should get the credit for it holding together. Bad luck always seems to hit Ferrari the hardest. The team should have a lot more points than it has...this is very true. So even when he's unlucky, he's lucky.
(if that makes sense
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My hope is that their new PU isn’t ready for Paul Ricard and they will need to keep pressing this PU, and it explodes in multiple colors, all silver and black
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Go Ferrari, beat them all!
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When Hamilton is losing...he's been calling the races boring. He's called Monaco a boring race and Canada a boring race (Canada was kinda boring IMO after the Stroll/Hartley mix up....not that I wish any misfortune on any). So in short, my take away is, when Hamilton is not winning like in these past two races.....it's boring!!
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