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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    [Sportbild] The new Mercedes engine that will debut in the #FrenchGP are expected to bring 0.3s quicker lap times than the previous one.
    And Bottas said that the new engine was not going to be anything special in last race so... I guess Sportbild knows better than Bottas eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Yes, let's wait and see. Supposedly, Paul Ricard is like Montreal (and that was suppose to be a power track favouring Mercedes..well it did in the past....not so now!!). I guess the criteria will be the tyres.

    I say bring it. FP1 and FP2 again will be about setup and by FP3 we should have the car dialed in (hopefully GIO does not get called in and do another 8hr SIM at Maranello...but it is a new track...so maybe).

    Im anxious to see FP3 and quali.
    On first glance Paul Ricard may look like Montreal because of the straights and chicanes (riding curbs) but Paul Ricard also has a few high-speed corners at the end of the lap and a twisty complex on the opposite side of the circuit. So there is a need for a quite different setup. Setup-wise Paul Ricard is in the same category as Barcelona and Suzuka but not quite as tough as Sillverstone. The track surface is also rather rough and the run-off areas are like sandpaper so going off track will damage a lot of drivers' tyres.

    I agree, if a team has a problem cooking their tyres...guess what....that's the teams problem. Pirelli should have said, "Hey, don't make your problem my problem!!!" "You fix it."

    Reports say a conspiracy regarding Pirelli caved into Mercedes demands and other reports say Pirelli were already going to do this anyways regardless of what the nay-sayers say...I myself tend to lean more towards the former rather than the latter. I saw those tyres during testing (Barcelona testing---2 weeks prior to Melbourne) and Mercedes were the only ones that "cooked" their tyres....no one else (Toto said RedBull had the same issue....whatever!!!) cooked their tyres.
    Exactly. Nice to see someone understands my point of view. Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and Ferrari was the team "cooking" its tyres at the Barcelona test...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberracus View Post
    Ok guys, my two cents

    First, Seb in the after race test in Spain tried the original tires, and he said it would have been worse for us.

    Second, harder tires are better for Merc, they can make the medium go as fast as the soft, and nearly super soft levels. harder tires are our enemy. More than Merc itself.

    So stop complaining for the tire change.


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    This is a rather unfair reasoning as we simply just don't know if Merc would have done even worse than other teams, had the original compounds been used during the Barcelona race weekend. It's all relative to the other competitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 512 TR View Post
    This is a rather unfair reasoning as we simply just don't know if Merc would have done even worse than other teams, had the original compounds been used during the Barcelona race weekend. It's all relative to the other competitors.
    Merc with harder tires would have been better than us not whit-standing tires “version”


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    Quote Originally Posted by zike View Post
    Would that be F1 TV pro? For some reason I can not find it on play store
    The F1TV Pro app (iOS/Android) is not available yet, only PC for now, and it's very basic.
    The app will be available in the future but launch date is not known.
    I guess they are ironing out all the issues in the streaming platform first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberracus View Post
    Merc with harder tires would have been better than us not whit-standing tires “version”


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    How do you know that? What evidence and what data are you using to come to that conclusion? The only evidence and data we have from harder tyres (original compounds) is from pre-season testing...and Merc were having problems with blisters. Infact what it seems is that Merc is only faster on the "special" softer (than usual for that circuit) tyres brought to Barcelona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 512 TR View Post
    How do you know that? What evidence and what data are you using to come to that conclusion? The only evidence and data we have from harder tyres (original compounds) is from pre-season testing...and Merc were having problems with blisters. Infact what it seems is that Merc is only faster on the "special" softer (than usual for that circuit) tyres brought to Barcelona.
    Have you seen Bahrain ? China ?
    Merc is faster in harder tires.



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    Weather prediction for race weekened is dry and hot with temperatures reaching near 30C. I think this is good for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberracus View Post
    Have you seen Bahrain ? China ?
    Merc is faster in harder tires.



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    They would not have used harder tires. I think what 512 is saying is that Merc could have been worse off than us on the original ultra softs, even though we would have had worse deg as well. the fact that the extra rubber was causing them to squirm and blister is the reason they were shaved. I think Ferrari would have been able to manage these tires better than Merc could as in testing they were burning through them so quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Bob View Post
    They would not have used harder tires. I think what 512 is saying is that Merc could have been worse off than us on the original ultra softs, even though we would have had worse deg as well. the fact that the extra rubber was causing them to squirm and blister is the reason they were shaved. I think Ferrari would have been able to manage these tires better than Merc could as in testing they were burning through them so quick.
    Exactly! But in reality the saying should be "manage these tires less worse than Merc".

    Aberracus

    As for Bahrain and China, In Bahrain Seb and Kimi locked out the front row because Ferrari are better on original softer tyres than Merc on normal circuits. That's the only relevant observation. Even if Bottas might have been quicker at the end on harder tyres the equation was that Ferrari were better in total as Seb won. Would Seb have won in Bahrain had the "special" Barcelona tyres been used there as well? I very much doubt it. It was the same compound range as Barcelona. As for China. It's impossible to evaluate that race because of the SC manipulation that race control did, effectively removing both Seb and Bottas from the chance of winning.

    Anyway. What might save Ferrari at Paul Ricard is the "unknown" factor. Nobody really knows what to expect and the drivers basicly only know this track (in race speed) from simulation. But that obviously goes both ways. Although a team like Merc, who should have an advantage, are the ones that have the most to lose.
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    Its a race by race proposition there is no need to agonise over who or what has the upper hand it will be decided on race day it is to unpredictable enjoy the ride ditch the brain drain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zike View Post
    this +1000
    Yeah, I think Ferrari was too strong, superior, so they (Liberty Media) had to do something, to keep WDC and WCC close to even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimiBot View Post
    Yeah, I think Ferrari was too strong, superior, so they (Liberty Media) had to do something, to keep WDC and WCC close to even.
    I like the way you think, I agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by paolo lalli View Post
    Its a race by race proposition there is no need to agonise over who or what has the upper hand it will be decided on race day it is to unpredictable enjoy the ride ditch the brain drain.
    Great !! + 1000


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    Any news about Ferrari's upgrades for this race? How is Ferrari going to counter Mercedes engine upgrade? We already saw in Canada that Ferrari's new engine is still slower than Mercedes old engine. In Monaco which is a chassis track, Ferrari was worryingly slower than Mercedes, that doesn't bode well for the upcoming triple header which has fast sweeping corners, power track and thinner tyres - all pointing towards Mercedes domination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Any news about Ferrari's upgrades for this race? How is Ferrari going to counter Mercedes engine upgrade? We already saw in Canada that Ferrari's new engine is still slower than Mercedes old engine. In Monaco which is a chassis track, Ferrari was worryingly slower than Mercedes, that doesn't bode well for the upcoming triple header which has fast sweeping corners, power track and thinner tyres - all pointing towards Mercedes domination.
    ?! Wich races did you see, because I saw very different races for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Any news about Ferrari's upgrades for this race? How is Ferrari going to counter Mercedes engine upgrade? We already saw in Canada that Ferrari's new engine is still slower than Mercedes old engine. In Monaco which is a chassis track, Ferrari was worryingly slower than Mercedes, that doesn't bode well for the upcoming triple header which has fast sweeping corners, power track and thinner tyres - all pointing towards Mercedes domination.
    We didn’t saw that ... we didn’t saw Ferrari slower than Mercedes in Monaco either; maybe you are reading too much into Brembo notes and looking Kimi Race only.



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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Any news about Ferrari's upgrades for this race? How is Ferrari going to counter Mercedes engine upgrade? We already saw in Canada that Ferrari's new engine is still slower than Mercedes old engine. In Monaco which is a chassis track, Ferrari was worryingly slower than Mercedes, that doesn't bode well for the upcoming triple header which has fast sweeping corners, power track and thinner tyres - all pointing towards Mercedes domination.
    ferrari's new engine isn't as fast as mercs old one nor will it be quicker mercs new one, sports bild say, could be up to 0.3quicker because of the HP and i hear brand new fuel formula that is going to bring the bigger part of that 0.3s increase. but ferrari has much better fuel consumption and it might help in races where its easier to pass. in monaco i wouldnt say ferrari were slower, if anything ferrari is marginally faster but kimi is slow so it looks worse than it is. french gp mercs are favourites but there was that rumor that ferrari's new engine had its engines turned down slightly in power because of the engine failures on kimi's car from Spain and binotto wants reliability over power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Any news about Ferrari's upgrades for this race? How is Ferrari going to counter Mercedes engine upgrade? We already saw in Canada that Ferrari's new engine is still slower than Mercedes old engine. In Monaco which is a chassis track, Ferrari was worryingly slower than Mercedes, that doesn't bode well for the upcoming triple header which has fast sweeping corners, power track and thinner tyres - all pointing towards Mercedes domination.
    So you can be slower than Merc and be ahead of them in those two races, interesting...... Do you believe the earth if flat?

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    nice onboard of Paul Ricard from redbull last year practicing there last year and di resta giving a walkthrough of it

    http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/124...altteri-bottas

    Interesting rb chose a much more conservative tyre choice, maybe they realized the softer tyres won't last the entire lap?
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    Nobody did it better ��

    Michael Schumacher took EIGHT wins at the #FrenchGP through the years

    A record to this day for wins at a single circuit or race
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberracus View Post
    We didn’t saw that ... we didn’t saw Ferrari slower than Mercedes in Monaco either; maybe you are reading too much into Brembo notes and looking Kimi Race only.
    This is what Hamilton said after Monaco qualifying:

    "My first Q3 lap… I was happy with my last one. I was 0.27s but I lost it in the middle and the last sector so naturally not happy with that. That wouldn’t have been enough anyways for pole but it would have made a difference, obviously I would have been second"

    Hamilton was fastest of all in Sector 1 but then made mistake and lost time in Sector 2 and 3. Mercedes was indeed faster than Ferrari in Monaco but poor lap from Hamilton cost him front row.

    But Canada was worrying, despite running 6 race old engine, Bottas was less than a tenth slower than Vettel and we all know Vettel is a much better qualifier than Bottas so we can safely conclude that Mercedes old engine is faster than Ferrari's new engine. But there is hope because Ferrari have gone radical with this year's car direction so there should be a lot more development in the pipeline compared to Mercedes and Red Bull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post

    But Canada was worrying, despite running 6 race old engine, Bottas was less than a tenth slower than Vettel and we all know Vettel is a much better qualifier than Bottas so we can safely conclude that Mercedes old engine is faster than Ferrari's new engine. But there is hope because Ferrari have gone radical with this year's car direction so there should be a lot more development in the pipeline compared to Mercedes and Red Bull.
    LOL Kimi made a mistake or he would have been right there with Seb, on a 6 race engine........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    LOL Kimi made a mistake or he would have been right there with Seb, on a 6 race engine........
    That's your wishful thinking, Kimi is never a match for Seb in either qualifying or race. Without Hamilton's own issues, he would be at least 3 tenths up on Vettel's time. I hope work on new cylinder head is underway as was reported before the start of the season which should allow Ferrari to give a proper fight to Mercedes in qualifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    That's your wishful thinking, Kimi is never a match for Seb in either qualifying or race. Without Hamilton's own issues, he would be at least 3 tenths up on Vettel's time. I hope work on new cylinder head is underway as was reported before the start of the season which should allow Ferrari to give a proper fight to Mercedes in qualifying.
    If he never made the mistake he would have been up there quite clearly LOL no wishful thinking. Yeah we really are poor in qualifying this year hahaha seriously are you just trolling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    If he never made the mistake he would have been up there quite clearly LOL no wishful thinking. Yeah we really are poor in qualifying this year hahaha seriously are you just trolling?
    No. I am worried about Mercedes engine upgrade which could very well extend the current gap they have to Ferrari. If they could almost beat Ferrari with an old engine, just imagine how powerful their new upgraded engine will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    That's your wishful thinking, Kimi is never a match for Seb in either qualifying or race. Without Hamilton's own issues, he would be at least 3 tenths up on Vettel's time. I hope work on new cylinder head is underway as was reported before the start of the season which should allow Ferrari to give a proper fight to Mercedes in qualifying.
    NO, Kimi did make a mistake in his last lap in Q3 and like Greig said, he would have been up there with Seb at worst P3 in quali.....he was a pretty close match to Seb all throughout Free practices and especially in FP3 when the car was dialed in perfectly for quali......

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    No. I am worried about Mercedes engine upgrade which could very well extend the current gap they have to Ferrari. If they could almost beat Ferrari with an old engine, just imagine how powerful their new upgraded engine will be.
    Merc have a gap to us? clearly trolling
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    Merc have a gap to us? clearly trolling
    lol.....my exact thought.....the only gap mercedes has or HAD to us was in Spain where Ferrari possibly did NOT got the set up of the car right and also Merc having formula Pirelli help them with "thinner tread" tires

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