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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    Merc have a gap to us? clearly trolling
    Wait for this weekend's qualifying, I won't be surprised if the fastest Mercedes is at least 3 tenths faster than the fastest Ferrari. Ferrari's engine upgrade in Montreal was aimed at using higher power modes for more time in race which is why Vettel's race pace was quite strong but surely Mercedes engine is worth at least 1 tenth in qualifying which puts them ahead of Ferrari.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Wait for this weekend's qualifying, I won't be surprised if the fastest Mercedes is at least 3 tenths faster than the fastest Ferrari. Ferrari's engine upgrade in Montreal was aimed at using higher power modes for more time in race which is why Vettel's race pace was quite strong but surely Mercedes engine is worth at least 1 tenth in qualifying which puts them ahead of Ferrari.

    See, this is whats wrong with this site! People come on here assuming they know it all and will proceed to tell you why we're gonna get beat this weekend!

    If you have BLATANT evidence of your statement, then post your link telling us this ! ( clearly you don't have such )

    One could swear you have front row seats at ferrari technical department ( Like some others on here too ) the way you're carrying on!
    Drive it like you stole it!

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    Mercedes faster than us? We will see, and if we have different story, please do not write anymore here.

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    Official!!

    Redbull racing Honda next two years

    https://twitter.com/redbullracing/st...67538137583616

    Some of the advantages raised by switching to honda:

    RB believe that the Honda PU has already caught Renault or will before the end of the year and has much bigger potential for growth with facts given through TR.
    RB will get an engine especially made for their chassis design to benefit aero and efficiency with A.Newey
    The Honda engine is significantly lighter than the renault engine
    A works team over a customer team
    Big sponsorship and money from Honda
    With the new engine rules coming in soon Honda and redbull will work closely to make sure they are prepared and at the front of the engine spectrum
    Last edited by mwk360; 19th June 2018 at 08:55.
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    If I take into account nearly all factors for this race.
    Tyres (S,SS,US): S tyres will play into Mercedes hands, SS,US probably into ours.
    Extra made tyres for this GP: Might play into Mercedes hands.
    Slow-medium speed corners: Ferrari might be strong here but also RBR.
    3 long straights: Ferrari
    Track/air temperatures: Its gonna be hot and sunny, AIR temperatures will reach from 27-29C, track will be much higher than that. We are usually strong in hot conditions.

    It doesnt look bad, we will see in few days what will happen of course. So time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    No. I am worried about Mercedes engine upgrade which could very well extend the current gap they have to Ferrari. If they could almost beat Ferrari with an old engine, just imagine how powerful their new upgraded engine will be.
    There is no gap.
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    Novitā da parte mia, a chi interessa: #Ferrari avrā per il prossimo GP di Francia una sospensione posteriore nuova, per utilizzare al meglio le famose Pirelli con battistrada ridotto di 0.4mm. Frutto del lavoro dei test (molto proficui) dopo il GP di Spagna
    rumor of ferrari bringing a modified suspension to the frenchGP after the suspension at the spain GP had very poor tyre deg with the modified tyres.
    Hopefully we do bring one and it works well, fingers cross. but as always take it with a pinch of salt because ferrari are usually quiet about there updates until track day
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    Component allocation prior to the French GP. All 6 Mercedes cars get the new engine.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgChThSWkAAgbT5.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Component allocation prior to the French GP. All 6 Mercedes cars get the new engine.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgChThSWkAAgbT5.jpg
    Did Ferrari not upgrade the MGU-K and ES on Vettels car then? Thought the whole lot was changed in Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jragona View Post
    Did Ferrari not upgrade the MGU-K and ES on Vettels car then? Thought the whole lot was changed in Canada.
    I believe teams are only allowed 2 of those per season without penalties so they saving it as long as they can
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    I think Ferrari will take engine penalty when they enough coushion on the points both in WDC & WCC, if they are expecting big engine upgrade in later part of season. Because our reliability seems to be not at best yet.

    On other note, Honda-rbr is a good deal considering reg change in 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Wait for this weekend's qualifying, I won't be surprised if the fastest Mercedes is at least 3 tenths faster than the fastest Ferrari. Ferrari's engine upgrade in Montreal was aimed at using higher power modes for more time in race which is why Vettel's race pace was quite strong but surely Mercedes engine is worth at least 1 tenth in qualifying which puts them ahead of Ferrari.
    In Canada ,in Q3 on gis 2nd try ,Vet did a mistake (he said it himself AND it confirms it with with the best sectors timetable) the gap could have being about 2 tenths.
    AND please dint try to fing excuses to prove that Merc are faster,its really annoying!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    I think Ferrari will take engine penalty when they enough coushion on the points both in WDC & WCC, if they are expecting big engine upgrade in later part of season. Because our reliability seems to be not at best yet.

    On other note, Honda-rbr is a good deal considering reg change in 2020.
    I thought reg changes are for 2021....No? That’s when we’re not going to see Mgu-h anymore and only back to Kers systems but more powerful then 2009-2013 era
    ...the new SF71H looks amazing. Let's hope it's gonna be as FAST as it looks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    I thought reg changes are for 2021....No? That’s when we’re not going to see Mgu-h anymore and only back to Kers systems but more powerful then 2009-2013 era
    nani_23 means 2020(when the regs go into effect and manufacturers build the PU into 2021....might be end of 2019).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    nani_23 means 2020(when the regs go into effect and manufacturers build the PU into 2021....might be end of 2019).
    so the new/modified PU are coming in effect for 2020??? somehow i though it was 2021 as teams said they need at least 2 years to design and develop the new PU
    ...the new SF71H looks amazing. Let's hope it's gonna be as FAST as it looks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    somehow i though it was 2021 as teams said they need at least 2 years to design and develop the new PU
    your good (correct)....the manufacturers will probably build a year to a year and a half early..... I think nani_23 is saying to implement into the 2021 car.

    Just like the teams are working already on the 2019 car if I can use that example.

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    FRANCE GP - PREVIEW: New on the back of the Ferrari SF71H to search for the "coup"

    Ferrari Ferrari SF71H Formula 1 GP FRANCE GP Paul Ricard mercedes Mercedes W09 Red Bull Red Bull RB14 season 2018
    Back in France, after 10 years of absence, if we consider the latest edition of the trans GP which was held in 2008 at the Magny-Cours circuit , after 28 years instead but if considering the last edition which took place at Paul Ricard. Le Castellet circuit that has hosted for 14 editions of the Grand Prix of France (1971-1990). As you can see from below, it has been chosen configuration which interrupts a chicane with the long straight stretch of 1.8 kilometers of the Mistral. Let's start by times of the Grand Prix then go into the most interesting speeches for technical enthusiasts.



    GP FRANCE: exclusive Sky, with times postponed because of the England-Panama (World Cup match)



    ITALIAN Here are the times:

    Free Practice 1: 12:00 to 13:30
    Free Practice 2: 4:00 p.m. to 5:30 p.m.
    Free Practice 3: 13:00 to 14:00
    Qualifications: 4:00 p.m. to 17:00 (19.45 on TV8)
    Race: 16:10 (21:00 on TV8)

    FRANCE GP: the Paul Ricard is a medium downforce circuit
    The Paul Ricard , as well as was thought by the AIF and the French organizers, is a new track , where teams and drivers have no recent references. For this reason, the practice will be even more important for the development buoyancy point and the optimal management of the tires. From the aerodynamic point of view, we are talking about a little tortuous circuit from medium downforce , which offers both traction lens curves both at a high speed curves, which require aerodynamic balance as well as three large braking. The straight Mistral (Ligne droite du Mistral), in this of the track configuration, it is interrupted by the chicane North curves 8:09 and is so named because it is oriented in the direction in which the Mistral blows, the wind polar air or Arctic from Northwest. This wind blows in the queue for vehicles, as a result of the tip speed of the cars will depend on how strong the wind will blow. Not a problem for these cars from eight very long march but it was a problem in the past with aspirated engines because sometimes sent them in revving.



    The circuit is equipped with four high-speed sections (the pit straight, stretch between Curve 2-3, rear straight Mistral and curve between 9-11, still straight Maestrale), two slow curves (curve 5 and curve 15) and a fast curve , the 13, the Courbe du Garlaban. The relevant braking are three straight and are braked, which require aerodynamic assistance (vertical load) and right of the electronic splitter adjustment of braking to prevent wheel locking. Three points are ideal for overtaking: detached Curve 1 (S de la Verrirer), Curve 3 (Virage de l'Hotel) and Curve 8 (Chicane Nord). The track has two sections where you can use the movable wing, along the pit straight and the straight Mistral. The slow stretch between curve 11 and curve 15 is critical for the traction , since the tires are stressed in both lateral and longitudinal. The curve 10 is done in full throttle and it will be at the limit of adherence side early in the race with a heavy fuel load.



    The maximum energy recovered in braking dall'MGU-K equal to some 829 kJ (all time high braking) while the minimum recovered in acceleration dall'MGU-H equal to 3343 kJ. The ERS electric propulsion applies a gain of 2 "per revolution 6 and 20 km / h maximum speed , very high values being a circuit sensitive to the power.
    The track is not critical to the gasoline consumption and requires 100 kg to complete the race (105 kg maximum on board) on a dry track conditions without intervention of the safety car, but is sensitive to the weight as it reduces the time per revolution of little more of two tenths of a second per 10 kg of lightening. The Paul Ricard is particularly severe for the braking and moderately severe plant for the engine (66% of the time in the full-gas) and for the gearbox (2332 gearshifts per race).

    Effect weight : 0 of delay "23 per revolution every 10 kg of weight , very sensitive to weight.
    Power Effect : 0 "19 of each gain 10CV - sensitive to power.

    GP FRANCE: even the most subtle Paul Ricard tires with tread to avoid the blistering
    The selected compounds from Pirelli for the next Grand Prix is the UltraSoft like compound for qualifying and Super Soft / Soft the other two compounds used in the race.

    So as to Montmelo (Spain), the tires that we will see at Paul Ricard will have a low tread 12% lower (-0.4 mm), given that normally the tread is 3.3 mm high. A solution that Pirelli has thought to change as little as possible to the competition given that at the time of this choice (GP Bahrain, early April) compounds weekend for the Spanish, French and Silverstone had already nominated and chosen by the various teams. The tread band reduction does not affect on the performance and is a "classical" operation when you want to dissipate heat that would otherwise be to generate overheating. One change you can not in a major way affect the balance in the game and definitely going to affect the levels of wear that team, through their simulators, must surely be recalculated. The other solution was to bring the track tires of a harder grade, then in the case of Paul Ricard, SuperSoft, Soft and Medium.



    The choice of Pirelli reduces the tread for the Spanish Grand Prix in Barcelona, Paul Ricard and that of Silverstone was taken after the Mario Team Island & Co met during the winter tests, where Pirelli's engineers have noticed the formation of blisters on the rear tires of most cars . A phenomenon that with the increase of the track temperature goes sharply to magnified and could really create security problems such as the possibility of tire burst. When a particular section near the carcass rubber overheats abnormally generated of small air bubbles inside the tire that in turn create a gum detachment. These rubber detachments can have different surfaces depending on the thermal and mechanical stress level at which they are subject. On the tire they will then go to create real holes that very often are very deep and come through to the carcass.



    During the winter tests, the blistering was caused by a surface of the tire overheating due also to the resurfacing of the Catalan track. There are two main effects that have helped the formation of bubbles on the tire: the higher temperature of the track because a lot of black asphalt very absorbs the heat, and the resurfacing which drastically reduced the bumps on the track surface. This factor has allowed the team to be even faster cornering sending further under the tires stress. A true a thinner tread means ensuring a lower "movement" of the rubber that is a lower surface temperature which relatively to the thickness removing means removing 7-10 ° C temperature. But beyond that, the new specification tire is definitely a slightly stiff shoulder which, combined with relatively high pressures, has enhanced the performance of the W09 in Spain.



    That Paul Ricard is a circuit, from a technical point of view, very interesting because it has much of what should have a circuit that is very long corners and S where it will serve very downforce and a very precise car on the front, even if short but traits more technical where the mechanical grip and traction will be fundamental and a straight (first part of the Mistral) over 1 kilometer called to release all of the current CV Power Unit F1.


    The Paul Ricard is a demanding circuit for the tires? To understand what we are just meeting the Pirelli with the classic infographic earlier this week that goes to classify various parameters including the lateral forces, the asphalt abrasion, downforce, the grip offered by the circuit and the stress on the tire . On a scale of values from 1 to 5, all of the circuit information is from 4 seconds Pirelli except the asphalt abrasion that, because of resurfacing, has dropped to 2 and will contain the degradation , and the downforce, not very high for because of the many stretches where it will not drag possible. The track urges the tires in a longitudinal braking and lateral traction in the slow part , raising the temperature and causing degradation. The left front tire is the one that will be more subject to wear and degradation (graining). To signal the possible high high air and track temperatures that are going to accentuate the thermal degradation as well as of the pressure values of the tires quite high (0.5 psi higher than in Barcelona).

    GP FRANCE: a nice weekend with fairly high ambient temperatures
    A level weather should not be a complicated weekend because they expected some good days with some small doubt about the central hours of Sunday. The temperatures are consistently above 25 ° C in the afternoon sessions with Friday it would seem that today the warmest (30 ° C expected in the air) . Sunday, race day, will be the most "cool day" with a maximum that only touches 28 ° C . Beware of the strong wind that could disturb the various pilots.




    As always, however, being five and six-day forecast, we expect more detailed forecasts of our meteorologist Andrea Pini arriving between Wednesday and one on Thursday.

    GP FRANCE: What to Expect from the various Team?
    Ferrari , after Canada's Sebastian Vettel showdown, is in France with morale sky but not without some point of demand mainly linked to the exploitation of special "tires" Pirelli that caused some problems in Spain.



    Strength of Ferrari that can also be seen from the graph at the bottom must be highlighted the kilometric detachments and the relative gap on a 5 km long circuit. The graph shows that the SF71H, so far, is the best single-seater to 60 cents followed by Mercedes and a165 milliseconds from Red Bull. Among the cars of the center leads the ranking followed by Renault Force India, McLaren and Haas. At the bottom we find the Williams that was made leapfrog Sauber and Toro Rosso.



    Returning to Gp of France and the "lowered" tires, the Maranello engineers introduce upgrades to the rear suspension in order to adapt in the best of the car tires in these ways. These updates were approved after the post GP test in Barcelona where engineers in the Red had understood the problems we had during the race weekend with this type of tire. In general, however, from the average load path should , at least on paper, adapt well to the characteristics of SF71H .



    Mercedes , after the "drubbing" Canadian, is definitely called redemption on a race track and the tires / pressures that could adapt very well to the characteristics of the W09. The pressure will then all of Lewis Hamilton, author of a subdued weekend in his beloved Montreal. The Anglo-German team will have few excuses this weekend of the season eighth relying on weapon very impostante namely the development of the Power Unit which should ensure a two-and a half tenths per lap, if fully exploited, at the Paul Ricard circuit. Updating that initially was planned for Canada but has been delayed in France for some reliability problems encountered over the counter. In addition to the horses of the new power unit on the Mercedes are expected to aerodynamic developments on the car that, in this season, has not undergone substantial changes; the technique enthusiasts will be able to note that the W09 is quite similar to that which made its debut in Australia. If Mercedes wants to try to win the fifth consecutive title needs work to aerodynamic that, for now, they have not made big improvements on Anglo-German car. A Mercedes that according Bottas should not be considered the favorite in France after the test of strength shown by Ferrari Vettel in Canada.



    RedBull , despite the update to the power unit introduced in Canada, it is still considered as the third force in spaced track of a few tenths of a second from Ferrari and Mercedes. The update introduced in Montreal, which mainly involved the internal combustion engine, has made an increase of 10 hp of about two tenths per lap at Paul Ricard on Anglo Austrian coach. A greater increase instead for Renault and Mclaren since these two teams can use the same supplier of fuel and lubricants. Only from the GP of Hungary the fuel supplier of the Milton Keynes team can introduce new products and then only on that occasion will be able to take full advantage of the new internal combustion engine Renault. Continuing with Red Bull, Daniel Ricciardo , unless last-minute problems, continue to use the MGU-K specification 1 "discarded" before China Gp qualifications used without any particular problem in Canada. For the battery instead, it will use the specification 2, which was not affected by particular problems after the incident involving the Australian victory in the GP of Monaco. The replacement of MGU-K with the specification 3, initially planned for France, was postponed at the Grand Prix of Germany, and on that occasion, Ricciardo will suffer a penalty on the starting grid.

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    3nr1c0 June 19, 2018 16:00 delete
    mah, according to me the 3 curves indicated for overtaking are not sufficiently lens for staccatone, the 3 and the 8 seem to have a distance of 160 and 140 while the 3 do not see the feasibility see it as a trajectory displacement with a too short deceleration to overtake, Given the absurd race schedule will skip the vision (for me)

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    ps at him from 'high make me seasick all those blue and red stripes

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    Quote Originally Posted by paolo lalli View Post
    There are to many physics on this forum all can see the future scary.
    That is true.....LOL
    Maybe I should ask them for some 6/49 winning numbers if they are that good.....ha, ha
    ...the new SF71H looks amazing. Let's hope it's gonna be as FAST as it looks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    nani_23 means 2020(when the regs go into effect and manufacturers build the PU into 2021....might be end of 2019).
    Yup ..!! Thanks for explaining it on my behalf.

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    to me this track looks custom made for SF71H

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    Quote Originally Posted by zike View Post
    to me this track looks custom made for SF71H
    DRS zones and speed traps layout

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgH_cHZXkAA6w_3.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by zike View Post
    to me this track looks custom made for SF71H
    To me the upcoming triple header looks custom made for W09.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    To me the upcoming triple header looks custom made for W09.
    we shall see

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    Mr. Lettuce to run a commemorative helmet...."la couleur ā la veille du Grand Prix de France"

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    Rumours are coming out that Merc are still having issues with PU Spec 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by zike View Post
    Rumours are coming out that Merc are still having issues with PU Spec 2
    Thats good news. Hopefully they run the old spec again

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    Rumours are rumours.
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    To me you are custom made Merc fan!!!!
    FERRARI FOR EVER !!!!!!!

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