"If I was driving for Red Bull [from 2008] probably I would have more championships, but because they were dominating between 2010 and 2014 probably I would never have driven for Ferrari. I am very happy and very proud to drive for Ferrari, all my time there.
Apparently Elkann jumped the gun and posted his congrats to Leclerc on Facebook before quickly deleting the post.
We need the fresh blood in the Red cars, kid is fast but not sure if he has killer instinct (Vertsappen style defense / fighter for overtake) just yet. He seems a tad too soft and emotional.
Welcome to Ferrari Charles and thank you Kimi.
When 18 out of 20 drivers on the grid want to drive your car and you pick the unproven rookie 15th in the WDC, it's not bold, it's stupid. He may be good, he may not and that's a risk a midfield team should take, not Ferrari. You had Ricciardo, almost begging for Ferrari to take him, a great driver and multiple race winner in an inferior car, great experience, italian heritage and that smile. I don't have anything against Charles, I say snap him up when he is proven himself against a better teammate and in certain situations, not to just take him to justify the academy.
That is true but what if the fact Leclerc had a contract already signed when Sergio was still alive is true as well? DR was not on the market last year, he was just weighing options and making heavy demands (pay-wise). Can't blame the current Ferrari admin for having their hands tied. Vettel is locked, Kimi has been kicked by Sergio in advance and Leclerc has been enrolled before 2018 even started. It's a missed opportunity yes, I guess we have to see how things work out. Vettel is sealed till 2019 if i recall correctly, after that who knows? Maybe Daniel will replace him.
... yes let him prove himself... like perez, grosjean, sainz, who have proven themselves on track as being very VERY aggressive when a scarlet Ferrari tries to overtake them ... because they were academy drivers and have not gotten the chance to drive 'the' car.
Leaving a for now good driver in limbo is counter productive and it looks like boils resentment that overflows on track.
Belgium and Monza, both Q3 runs of Ferrari were hampered by Sainz who squeezed ahead of Vettel on both second runs...
if that wasn't done on purpose.... I don't know.
Welcome on board Leclerc! I say.
Because its safer. What do you think would happen if Ricciardo starts beating Vettel. Look how upset Vettel got in Monza when Raikkonen didn't let him through at the start, and Ricciardo is perfectly capable of beating Vettel over the course of the season.
If we had someone like Ross Brawn then I'd say sure bring Ricciardo at Maranello. But I don't current Ferrari management can handle Vettel-Ricciardo lineup.
my bad.... I was so convinced he was a Ferrari academy driver... got that totally wrong...
but my point of putting Ferrari academy drivers in junior teams and then letting them languish there is counter productive, and as Leclerc HAS proven he can be a fast driver for starters, why not bring him in and give him a shot at an AMAZING career.
The reason this switch feels akward and questionable is because of Kimi's form and driving this season. Had this discussion happened last season (beaten by Bottas by 100 points) or two years ago (worst of the six best) then it would have been a no-brainer for basicly everyone but now it feels strange. I mean, out of the 11 races he has finished this season he's been on the podium 9 times, and it's not just podiums, as in scrapping along for 3rd place, because there are three 2nd places as well in these results. The three DNF:s have been out of his control. He might have been on podium in Bahrain had he not been released erroneously. But let's say he would have been 4th, that's 12 points. Barcelona? Let's say 5th behind Seb, that's 10 points. Spa, without the fuel error during quali? Most likely 2nd behind Seb or at least 3rd behind Lewis. That's 15 points. Basicly in a worst-case scenario he has dropped 37 points and adding it to his points tally would bring it to 201 points now, 25 behind Seb. He hasn't made a costly driving error in the races this year.
How would the discussion go now if that was the case? Still out the door? I haven't placed him above Lewis or Seb in any of these three races so the gap to them would still be same. Lewis 256, Seb 226, Kimi 201. He would just have removed those points from drivers behind in the standings. The fact is, he wouldn't have been out of the WDC race and having in mind he went out of PU sequence because of Barcelona he might have scored higher having the same power as Seb during the summer, maybe even a win. This is what it boils down to.
If Clerc implodes in first few races what will Ferrari do? Kvyat???
Ask yourself this my friend. Haas had him last year as a test driver, they knew what he can do. They had the option of promoting him this year, they opted for Magnussen and Grosjean. Charles was sent to Sauber. Reports have it that Ferrari's new management tried to send him for next year to Haas as well, Gene said no again. They had him in their backyard and know what he can do, why would they say no (twice)?
This is a well-considered and well-argued post regarding Kimi this year. It certainly provokes thought on this issue.
However, and with all due respect, there are many 'if's in this rationale and, as they say, with if you can put Paris in a bottle.
Even if he were, for argument's sake, on 201 points, who here would really, objectively rather bet on Raikkonen than on Vettel for the remaining races - even if all things were equal between them? Not many of us, I'm sure. And, furthermore, would him being closer to Vettel in points make any difference as to whether or not the time has come for him to leave Ferrari? Think about that. Frankly, no it would not make a discernible, objective difference. Nor should it.
Instead, what should be considered is this: can it be objectively argued that Raikkonen is the absolute best option available to Ferrari to partner Vettel going forward? No, it cannot. He has simply faded too many times in too many races to give any objective tifoso the feeling that he is (1) anywhere as good and consistently fast over a race distance as he once was and (2) a driver that fills one with confidence.
That is the candid, even sad reality. I would have loved nothing more than Kimi to still be as fast as he once was and be really giving Sebastian and Lewis a run for their money. What a treat that would have been! But it's not the case.
Kimi is simply not as fast as he used to be and he does not inspire ultimate confidence, even as a rear gunner. He is not the best we can do.
I think it's important to keep in mind that the grid is getting much younger. The old guard is dwindling with Button, Massa, Alonso, and now Raikkonen possibly leaving the sport. The youngest of them are Hamilton and Vettel, and they both have around four or five years left, possibly less if they want to call it quits early.
Red Bull has invested in Verstappen and Gasly, Mercedes in Ocon, Ferrari in Leclerc, and McLaren in Norris. When Vettel and Hamilton leave, and possibly even before, I believe we will see Verstappen, Ocon, Leclerc, Gasly, and Norris take their places as the majority of the best drivers in Formula 1. Bottas is just a lapdog and Ricciardo is another Hulkenberg. Both always the bridesmaid and never the bride.
I get that many like Kimi and his no-nonsense approach, but as long as we keep clinging to the past, we will not be able to succeed in the future. Sergio Marchionne took the team this far before his death, lets see what his swan song of signing Leclerc yields.
Also, I was very disappointed when Massa wasn't resigned and Alonso jumped ship, but I wasn't dumb enough to think a petition would change anything.
Disappointed Since 2010
If I had to guess, it's probably because Haas wants to have it's identity with its own drivers and not be perceived as doing Ferrari's bidding. If they take Leclerc, they will also have to relinquish him whenever Ferrari wants. I think the mentality is that Hass wants two drivers they can build their team around. The real question is why didn't they snatch Ricciardo in place of Grosjean?
Disappointed Since 2010
In all honesty, this switch is one big "IF". It feels like change for the sake of change. Much like today's society in general.
Off the top of my head I remember when Nelson Piquet was 3rd in the standings in 1983 for Brabham 14 points behind Prost with three races to go. 14 points is roughly 39-40 points in today's scoring system. Piquet won two of the last three while Prost DNF twice and one podium. I just watched that entire season recently. When Prost went out at the last race, Piquet slowed down to score at least 3rd letting his team mate Patrese win, but Piquet did it from the lead. What I mean is anything can happen. But you need some luck, or rather not be unlucky, to hang in there to the end. Kimi has been unlucky three times this season.
I can't answer your question if Kimi is the best option to partner Seb in the future, because I simply don't know and neither do you. All I'm saying is that it's an akward moment to boot him out judging by the actual and factual events this season.
I don't know if Kimi is as fast or not as in the past. Impossible to judge because F1 has changed a lot since when most feel he was "fast". Question is, will Leclerc be faster next year compared to Kimi this year if the car is just as competitive compared to Merc? My gut-feeling says no. I would hate to see the standings after Monza next year with Seb being close to Lewis and Leclerc down in sixth behing Bottas and both RBR:s.
There can be various factors which we fans don't know from outside. Not necessary one driver fulfills agendas of two different teams. Alonso being the talent he is, was not signed my Mercedes but Bottas was, don't tell me Bottas is better than Fred. The reason here was different
Coming to Haas drivers, I really don't know why those two clowns are driving there, if I were happen to be Gunther, I would've had you & me instead of those two driving for them
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