2018 Austrian GP - Practices and Qualifying

[ferrari1.8t]

how about that positivity, could'v started from the back of the grid ...J.K, damn Ferrari throwing away more points with not informing seb, but dont worry we'l forget all the teams errors and just blame seb and kimi when clean sheet hamilton is handed the fifth WDC later this year

I’ll blame F1, the FIA and most importantly Pirelli. This has nothing to do with Ferrari, they built a great package this year.

[Ed Harley]

Can you expect us not to?

There is no need for temper tantrums.

[wappad]

how about that positivity, could'v started from the back of the grid ...J.K, damn Ferrari throwing away more points with not informing seb, but dont worry we'l forget all the teams errors and just blame seb and kimi when clean sheet hamilton is handed the fifth WDC later this year

[mwk360]

could be worse could be a 6 place grid penalty, im just trying to be positive and hopefully it pays of tomorrow with a ferrari win

[zike]

could be worse could be a 6 place grid penalty, im just trying to be positive and hopefully it pays of tomorrow with a ferrari win

Can we appeal this penalty?

[DelMar]

There is no need for temper tantrums.

In contrast with the resident Hamilton fans, who are quite happy with what has been happening in F1 week in and week out. Does this ring a bell?

[Rob]

“Let’s focus on the race now”

Seb will serve a grid penalty, Kimi to start from 3rd.

Spielberg, June 30 – Third and fourth place for Seb and Kimi on tomorrow’s starting grid had been the result of a tense qualifying session for the Austrian Grand Prix. However, Seb involuntarily impeded Carlo Sainz in the Renault during Q2 and the Stewards imposed a three place grid penalty on the Ferrari driver. It means that Kimi is promoted to P3 on the grid.

“Obviously, it’s not the ideal result, but it’s a rather decent one,” Kimi commented. “It has been a pretty straightforward and consistent day. I struggled a little bit with understeer in the last few corners to get the car to turn and carry the speed into the corner, but apart from that it was ok. For sure there are always things to improve and you can always go faster; today we did our best, but it was not enough. Tomorrow is a different day, we know that sometimes qualifying is different from the race. We’ll start on different tires to our competitors, so it will be interesting to see how it pans out. This is quite a special circuit, lap time is very short so we expect everybody to be very close. As for overtaking, it’s supposed to be easier with an additional DRS zone. Let’s hope we have a stronger day on Sunday”.

“I’m sorry for Carlos” said Seb, “it was never my intention to ruin his lap. You can’t see well straight back in the mirrors, with the rear wing and everything, and this time I was not told that he was coming. As for my qualifying, I think I had another tenth in my pocket today, but probably not enough to become a threat. In my first run in Q3 I knew I had to ramp it up, so I pushed very hard and made a small mistake that turned into a big snap, so I tried to recover concentration for my last attempt, which is always difficult, and probably held something back a little bit. Now let’s focus on the race tomorrow”.

[stefa]

I read just now about SV penalty?!?! This is.... I am out of words... right ones... not to get banned here...
There has to be some poetic justice in tomorrow race!!!

[512 TR]

Remember when I after qualifying in Monaco asked if Ferrari fans here would take a 2-3 finish (starting 2-4) prior to the race because knowing how strong RBR and Ricciardo would be? Some agreed with me but some said things like "no, let's go for the win, anything can happen in the race". Well it didn't and we ended up 2-4 like after qualifying (Lewis beating Kimi for the points in question). So now I'm asking another question. Would you take a Bottas win with Seb driving himself up to second after Kimi has taken both himself and Lewis out of the race at T1 or somewhere on the first lap? In the aftermatch Kimi would ge a 10 place grid penalty for Silverstone (and some points on his super license). The move would obviously be seen as deliberate by everyone, because it would be.The end result would net Merc 7 points in the WCC but Seb would be leading the WDC by 4 point as he would score 18 points. Ferrari would trail Merc by 30 points in the WCC. Or do you take a "normal" race where Merc now probably scores an easy 1-2 with Kimi and Seb in 3rd and 4th. Merc then scores a net of 16 points in the WCC (leads by 39 points then) and we can say Lewis scores 2nd and nets 6 points against Seb and leads the WDC by 20 points. Your choice.

I take the first scenario and run Lewis off the track and take all penalties and fines. I'm sick of this! Bringing the sport into disrepute and all the other crap and at least keep both championships alive. This isn't politically correct, I know, and I don't care.

[evo_spook]

Remember when I after qualifying in Monaco asked if Ferrari fans here would take a 2-3 finish (starting 2-4) prior to the race because knowing how strong RBR and Ricciardo would be? Some agreed with me but some said things like "no, let's go for the win, anything can happen in the race". Well it didn't and we ended up 2-4 like after qualifying (Lewis beating Kimi for the points in question). So now I'm asking another question. Would you take a Bottas win with Seb driving himself up to second after Kimi has taken both himself and Lewis out of the race at T1 or somewhere on the first lap? In the aftermatch Kimi would ge a 10 place grid penalty for Silverstone (and some points on his super license). The move would obviously be seen as deliberate by everyone, because it would be.The end result would net Merc 7 points in the WCC but Seb would be leading the WDC by 4 point as he would score 18 points. Ferrari would trail Merc by 30 points in the WCC. Or do you take a "normal" race where Merc now probably scores an easy 1-2 with Kimi and Seb in 3rd and 4th. Merc then scores a net of 16 points in the WCC (leads by 39 points then) and we can say Lewis scores 2nd and nets 6 points against Seb and leads the WDC by 20 points. Your choice.

I take the first scenario and run Lewis off the track and take all penalties and fines. I'm sick of this! Bringing the sport into disrepute and all the other crap and at least keep both championships alive. This isn't politically correct, I know, and I don't care.

So, everything should be allowed, "for the sake of the championship"

[ScuderiaBuckeye]

Sounds like the mistake that caused Seb's penalty came from the pit wall...shame.

Second race running now that Seb is having to push the car beyond its capability to catch the Mercs in qualy.

Merc has regained their edge...Ferrari has to come up with something now.

[512 TR]

So, everything should be allowed, "for the sake of the championship"

Why not? It's allowed for Lewis and Lauda to criticize the fact that Seb finished infront of Bottas at Paul Ricard even though Seb was at fault and took a penalty in the race...and then have these comments carry over to the next race weekend and basicly punish Seb one more time because they feel the Paul Ricard penalty wasn't enough. This is exactly what happened today. Seb's penalty is for what happened at Paul Ricard and the comments made by the usual idiots at Merc. It's all connected. So you're asking should everything be allowed "for the sake of the championship". Why not? Merc use all the tools they have. They use the media to their advantage and the media is bending over. We should use other methods. The ones WE can control.

Not even Sainz really complained today.

[totox]

Sounds like the mistake that caused Seb's penalty came from the pit wall...shame.

Second race running now that Seb is having to push the car beyond its capability to catch the Mercs in qualy.

Merc has regained their edge...Ferrari has to come up with something now.

which is very hard, considering that our engine upgrade is very recent, and in aero department a major overhaul like mercedes is very unusual in actual development path from scuderia. I think merc will now be very difficult to outperform in qualy, thanks to pu upgrade. Al least our car improved a lot in race pace. It's getting very obvious that we lost something in our ers deployment method. That will be never hear from the team, but It looks like the cause why we lost our early in season, qualy pace.

[WS6TransAm01]

So, everything should be allowed, "for the sake of the championship"

All' fair in love and war.

[totox]

But my major fears, are that seb could start to loose his mind like last season's second part.

[Ferrari312T4]

The inconsistency of these penalties are the things that bother me. It's apparent that the FIA is more lenient towards Mercedes and Hamilton in particular. I remember the weaving on a straight with petrov. Going fast under yellow. Given many reprimands. After the reprimand of going fast under yellow, he gets a second reprimand. Seriously? Last year he blocked Grosjean at Silverstone. Yet they handed him pole because a Brit on home turf. The secret Pirelli test. The hand Mercedes had in the v6 turbo formula we have today. Bottas piledriving Kimi at Baku last year. Bottas hitting Seb and Verstappen. Everything seems to be nice and clean in the eyes of the FIA and stewards. I heard someone at an earlier post say and I am paraphrasing here, when it comes to handing out a penalty against Ferrari it is always a sure bet. You almost start to think that liberty and the FIA are trying to accept the new formula for the coming years or leave. I have been watching F1 since Alboreto and Stefan Johansson were driving for Ferrari in 1986. When traffic during a fast lap was just tough luck. Now it's a penalty for this a fine for that. Formula one is becoming inconsistent with these penalties and rulings. Anyway let's how it pans out tomorrow.

[IulianFerrari]

3 places penalty is a joke. Its either 5 places or nothing, it is a stupid way from Charlie to please everyone, especially when mercedes beached about those 5 sec last race. They seem inconsistent and afraid, give seb 10 sec and nothing here. Seemed like the real thing to do...

[512 TR]

Advice to Kimi Räikkönen from a Ferrari supporter if you read this forum. If you don't get a specific advice from MA for the start then go for Lewis's front suspension. That's the easiest part to break on an F1 car and take it out of the race. You're going to be on the outside going into T1. Aim for Lewis' left front as he turns in. Aim somewhere between the left front tyre and the bargeboard and carry through the momentum from the slingshot effect on the outside. Chances are someone else will hit him as well on the inside as he spins. Maybe Grosjean or Mad Max. So you will not be the only one to blame. Make sure though the damage is permanent. This BS has to end.

[KimiBot]

lol, angry man from stockholm... (jag har bott där, mycket trevligt stad)

but anyways, Karma must come in to play. sooner or later

[KimiBot]

Bottas pole lap, no mistakes

https://twitter.com/F1/status/101308...isuudessaan%2F

[512 TR]

lol, angry man from stockholm... (jag har bott där, mycket trevligt stad)

but anyways, Karma must come in to play. sooner or later

Karma is a stupid indian belief and it doesn't work. Evil has to be taken care of by other methods.

Now, Renault has come out and said that they didn't complain to the FiA about Sainz being "blocked" by Seb. The FiA, and espaiclly those pesky british stewards took it up on themselves to carry through this penalty. This has to be the first time ever a driver has been penalized even when the team that was "done wrong" didn't complain. People should wake up and smell the beans.

I think most followers of F1, fans of different teams, fans of different drivers etc just wanted to see a race on sunday. Most had accepted the qualifying order. Now all that has been robbed from everyone. Because Merc and their goons protested, through media, that Seb finished too high at Paul Ricard. And, look, they got their way.

Forget about Stockholm. Sweden is a dying country. The socialists have destroyed it. It took just some 50 years.

Kimi Räikkönen. Read my post above and act accordingly. Your best chance of Ferrari fans supporting you for another year. Take out Lewis Hamilton.

[KimiBot]

and sainz did not lose anything...

[512 TR]

and sainz did not lose anything...

...and Renault not complaining, which usually should be the basis for any investigation in the first place. God damn it!

[FerrariF60]

at least it's not raining tomorrow.....or should start a RAIN DANCE, maybe it may help SEB win the race, NO???? especially starting from 6th

[512 TR]

at least it's not raining tomorrow.....or should start a RAIN DANCE, maybe it may help SEB win the race, NO???? especially starting from 6th

I wished for no rain because I firmly believed this track would suit our car. I really believed in a great result, even after Q3. I could never imagine those pesky brits and that stupid austrian with his little red cap being that insecure about this season that they use the media to speak for them. And to influence those braindead stewards to penalize Seb for something he did against a driver that was already in Q3 and his team didn't know, or cared, what happened. But guess what. All that did just happen this previous afternoon. It did happen, believe it or not. It did...

So yes, rain please. A team with worse starting positions can basicly only count on a lottery. But it will not happen because everything is against Ferrari.

Kimi, read my post above. Act accordingly. Rain or no rain. Take out Lewis Hamilton.

[ferrari1.8t]

Karma is a stupid indian belief and it doesn't work. Evil has to be taken care of by other methods.

Now, Renault has come out and said that they didn't complain to the FiA about Sainz being "blocked" by Seb. The FiA, and espaiclly those pesky british stewards took it up on themselves to carry through this penalty. This has to be the first time ever a driver has been penalized even when the team that was "done wrong" didn't complain. People should wake up and smell the beans.

I think most followers of F1, fans of different teams, fans of different drivers etc just wanted to see a race on sunday. Most had accepted the qualifying order. Now all that has been robbed from everyone. Because Merc and their goons protested, through media, that Seb finished too high at Paul Ricard. And, look, they got their way.

Forget about Stockholm. Sweden is a dying country. The socialists have destroyed it. It took just some 50 years.

Kimi Räikkönen. Read my post above and act accordingly. Your best chance of Ferrari fans supporting you for another year. Take out Lewis Hamilton.

This.

F1 is a joke, a farce, a soap opera designed to hand Hamilton championships without any merit. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either blind, ignorant, stupid or all 3. This formula is a joke, the FIA is disgraceful, Pirelli are crooks...I am so sick of the British bias against Ferrari. It’s time Ferrari leaves and shows the brits how profitable F1 is without us.

Disgrace.

[WS6TransAm01]

This.

F1 is a joke, a farce, a soap opera designed to hand Hamilton championships without any merit. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either blind, ignorant, stupid or all 3. This formula is a joke, the FIA is disgraceful, Pirelli are crooks...I am so sick of the British bias against Ferrari. It’s time Ferrari leaves and shows the brits how profitable F1 is without us.

Disgrace.

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[ScuderiaBuckeye]

Forget about Stockholm. Sweden is a dying country. The socialists have destroyed it. It took just some 50 years.

It's taken the uber-Capitalists far less time to destroy America and we could use some of that socialism now send it our way please.

[512 TR]

It's taken the uber-Capitalists far less time to destroy America and we could use some of that socialism now send it our way please.

Please take it. For the record, there is Socialism and "socialism". For Sweden it ended on a cold february night in 1986 and everything since then is the product of today. Be careful what you wish for. Send over Trump, better yeat, tell Trump to send over Putin. Most swedish men have become gay and the women hate other women but love men to be gay. That's today's Sweden. No joke.

Can't have the above as the only answer to this post.

Kimi Räikkönen. Read my posts above. Take out Lewis Hamilton. How long can Ferrari stand for this BS? How long? Kimi, you are our last champ. Please help! There is a reward for this. There will be. Most seasons come down to a few moments/incidents. The start in Austria 2018 is one of those moments.

[enjaybel3]

It was clear to me that Seb blocked Carlos. It was unintentional, but it was there.
Everyone's point that there is precedent where these things have gone unpenalized is correct. The British media's unbridled bias is ruining F1.