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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    Slower due to set up (to be fastest round the whole lap), not slower because we have a worse engine than them....which is very different.
    That's not the point of discussion, some people here are criticizing Vettel for the move he tried on Bottas while conveniently ignoring the fact that Vettel had to go for the move because one lap more and Hamilton would get a great chance to overtake him due to the difference in top end speed. So Vettel couldn't wait for one more lap, that was his best chance and it didn't work out unfortunately.

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    what's your prediction for Germany chinmay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    That's not the point of discussion, some people here are criticizing Vettel for the move he tried on Bottas while conveniently ignoring the fact that Vettel had to go for the move because one lap more and Hamilton would get a great chance to overtake him due to the difference in top end speed. So Vettel couldn't wait for one more lap, that was his best chance and it didn't work out unfortunately.
    Nope, you cannot use that arguement with regards to this race. You're focusing on the straights mainly, which Lewis would overtake Vettel on the straight due to DRS now that Vettel is out in front. Ferrari has been using a doulbe battery and are now extracting more use of that (harvesting and recharging) from the MGU-H through the corners and turns. We've seen Vettel overtake Hamilton going into the turn (outbraking) on the same tires not to long ago AND if I may add, Vettel was the only one using DRS into T2 in this race. So while you say by your hypothesis that Vettel could not wait, I say, IF Hamilton overtook Vettel on the main straight, Vettel would then overtake Hamilton on the corners or turns due to: 1.) double battery system from the MGU-H 2.) Vettel was on softs, Hamilton on mediums 3.) Use of the DRS in T2.

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    Ferrari now Formula 1's benchmark engine - Red Bull boss Horner

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    That's not the point of discussion, some people here are criticizing Vettel for the move he tried on Bottas while conveniently ignoring the fact that Vettel had to go for the move because one lap more and Hamilton would get a great chance to overtake him due to the difference in top end speed. So Vettel couldn't wait for one more lap, that was his best chance and it didn't work out unfortunately.
    LOL. Are you kidding? Vettel was never at risk from Hamilton. Even Hamilton said he won't be able to overtake those who pitted for tires during the SC period. The only reason he overtook Bottas because Bottas tires were gone and of course, team orders. If Kimi managed to overtake Bottas sooner, he would have gotten Hamilton as well. But he ran out of laps so there you have it. Stop inventing things that didn't happen in the race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by da_one View Post
    LOL. Are you kidding? Vettel was never at risk from Hamilton. Even Hamilton said he won't be able to overtake those who pitted for tires during the SC period. The only reason he overtook Bottas because Bottas tires were gone and of course, team orders. If Kimi managed to overtake Bottas sooner, he would have gotten Hamilton as well. But he ran out of laps so there you have it. Stop inventing things that didn't happen in the race.
    You can believe whatever you want, facts are in front of everyone to see. Vettel knew this and rightly went for the move.

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    I am feeling confident with our in-season development so far. This has been our achilles heel since 2008 so it was hard to play catch up during the dominating runs of Red Bull and more recently, Mercedes.

    Aside from the re-organization of the team, is our close partnership with Haas and Sauber contributing to this? I mean, is it possible that the 'three' Ferrari teams (according to Alonso) sharing information behind the scenes? There is also a recent upsurge in the performance of Sauber and Haas which to me is not a coincidence. What is your opinion on the matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrarichamp View Post
    what's your prediction for Germany chinmay?
    Would be happy to see Vettel pole, it's been a long time since Vettel was last on pole. Since Mercedes have introduced upgrades, they have pulled clear in qualifying pace and if they are 1st by 1st corner, they can manage race and to beat them, Ferrari must qualify on pole as Mercedes won't have bad starts all the time.

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    https://youtu.be/G98FYT2gm7U

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    That's not the point of discussion, some people here are criticizing Vettel for the move he tried on Bottas while conveniently ignoring the fact that Vettel had to go for the move because one lap more and Hamilton would get a great chance to overtake him due to the difference in top end speed. So Vettel couldn't wait for one more lap, that was his best chance and it didn't work out unfortunately.
    You are the one saying we are slower than Merc, which was not the case over the whole lap which is kind of the main thing. We could easily have set the car up to be fast on the straight and lose it all in the corners, straightline speed means not a lot if you can't make it count round the corners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Would be happy to see Vettel pole, it's been a long time since Vettel was last on pole. Since Mercedes have introduced upgrades, they have pulled clear in qualifying pace and if they are 1st by 1st corner, they can manage race and to beat them, Ferrari must qualify on pole as Mercedes won't have bad starts all the time.
    Yeah Canada was so long ago.....Silverstone showed you that Merc have not pulled clear at all so why do you continue to talk so much rubbish about our team? Our upgrades are working well and we have the race pace to win races regardless of your claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    You are the one saying we are slower than Merc, which was not the case over the whole lap which is kind of the main thing. We could easily have set the car up to be fast on the straight and lose it all in the corners, straightline speed means not a lot if you can't make it count round the corners.
    Correct! Complete package for every race! The gap is so close now that everything we do it has to be on point. If the team keeps putting pressure on Mercedes it will turn in our favor.
    The question will be... after the beak. We keep up with them it will be game on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    You are the one saying we are slower than Merc, which was not the case over the whole lap which is kind of the main thing. We could easily have set the car up to be fast on the straight and lose it all in the corners, straightline speed means not a lot if you can't make it count round the corners.
    The reason Ferrari didn't set up the car for straights was because they couldn't defeat Mercedes that way, deployment kicks in. If Ferrari can set up the car for straights and still be on pole, there would be no problems in race. Mercedes did it so why didn't Ferrari? Because Ferrari Spec 1 power unit was not capable of taking Mercedes 1st Spec 1 on 1 on a track where deployment for majority of the lap is key.

    If pole was possible with either configurations then obviously Ferrari would have gone with the fast-on-straights configuration, in the end Ferrari went for a configuration which allowed them to grab pole and have a better effect on tyres on Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    Yeah Canada was so long ago.....Silverstone showed you that Merc have not pulled clear at all so why do you continue to talk so much rubbish about our team? Our upgrades are working well and we have the race pace to win races regardless of your claims.
    Track temperatures were greater than 50 which is why gap was less in Silverstone, Mercedes engineers mentioned before qualifying that the higher the temperatures, the chance of them getting pole decreases, in the end the difference was nothing and that was due to temperature. Hamilton didn't extract maximum in Silverstone either as Bottas was on course to get pole before he made mistake in Sector 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Track temperatures were greater than 50 which is why gap was less in Silverstone, Mercedes engineers mentioned before qualifying that the higher the temperatures, the chance of them getting pole decreases, in the end the difference was nothing and that was due to temperature. Hamilton didn't extract maximum in Silverstone either as Bottas was on course to get pole before he made mistake in Sector 3.
    My only question is, what are you doing in this forum ? You should go to Ham and Wolf little brats club.

    We don’t need you here really.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Track temperatures were greater than 50 which is why gap was less in Silverstone, Mercedes engineers mentioned before qualifying that the higher the temperatures, the chance of them getting pole decreases, in the end the difference was nothing and that was due to temperature. Hamilton didn't extract maximum in Silverstone either as Bottas was on course to get pole before he made mistake in Sector 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    The reason Ferrari didn't set up the car for straights was because they couldn't defeat Mercedes that way, deployment kicks in. If Ferrari can set up the car for straights and still be on pole, there would be no problems in race. Mercedes did it so why didn't Ferrari? Because Ferrari Spec 1 power unit was not capable of taking Mercedes 1st Spec 1 on 1 on a track where deployment for majority of the lap is key.

    If pole was possible with either configurations then obviously Ferrari would have gone with the fast-on-straights configuration, in the end Ferrari went for a configuration which allowed them to grab pole and have a better effect on tyres on Sunday.
    So we set up the car to take pole and have race pace which is kind of the point of F1.....no points for being quickest through a speed trap which means nothing at the end of the day, look at Red Bulls domination they were never quick in speedtraps but I suppose you would say they were slower than everyone lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    The reason Ferrari didn't set up the car for straights was because they couldn't defeat Mercedes that way, deployment kicks in. If Ferrari can set up the car for straights and still be on pole, there would be no problems in race. Mercedes did it so why didn't Ferrari? Because Ferrari Spec 1 power unit was not capable of taking Mercedes 1st Spec 1 on 1 on a track where deployment for majority of the lap is key.

    If pole was possible with either configurations then obviously Ferrari would have gone with the fast-on-straights configuration, in the end Ferrari went for a configuration which allowed them to grab pole and have a better effect on tyres on Sunday.
    Chinmay, really ? You are speaking rocks doc, the special Chinmay tires are done and Mercedes will be back to normal Pirelli Tires.
    The Sf71H is finally superior to the Merc Beast.
    Shooo Chinmay go with your team.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberracus View Post
    Chinmay, really ? You are speaking rocks doc, the special Chinmay tires are done and Mercedes will be back to normal Pirelli Tires.
    The Sf71H is finally superior to the Merc Beast.
    Shooo Chinmay go with your team.
    I won't say Ferrari is superior to Mercedes just by looking at Silverstone result. We should wait till German GP to see the complete picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    So we set up the car to take pole and have race pace which is kind of the point of F1.....no points for being quickest through a speed trap which means nothing at the end of the day, look at Red Bulls domination they were never quick in speedtraps but I suppose you would say they were slower than everyone lol
    You are saying what I was saying that Ferrari went for the correct configuration but that was also aided by the fact that Mercedes Spec 1 engine was superior than Ferrari Spec 1 engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    I won't say Ferrari is superior to Mercedes just by looking at Silverstone result. We should wait till German GP to see the complete picture.
    This year is a head to head competition, every race is a chance for you beloved Ham to cry at the end.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberracus View Post
    This year is a head to head competition, every race is a chance for you beloved Ham to cry at the end.
    We are in the same boat then. Hamilton is a hollow champion, the luckiest driver of all time with gifted titles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    You are saying what I was saying that Ferrari went for the correct configuration but that was also aided by the fact that Mercedes Spec 1 engine was superior than Ferrari Spec 1 engine.
    Nothing to do with the engine specs, we set the car up for the fastest lap time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    I won't say Ferrari is superior to Mercedes just by looking at Silverstone result. We should wait till German GP to see the complete picture.
    What are you on about??? Our development (suspension) with regards to these "Pirelli-Mercedes" tires has been exceptional with all the aero titbits. Meanwhile, Mercedes struggles with just the regular tires in this first half of the season. They got front row lock-outs with these "Pirelli-Mercedes" tires....except for Silverstone. That says something about the Scuderia in my book on top of all the scrutineering and monitoring done by the FIA this first half of the season.

    Bring on Hockenheim....we are ready. I know Mercedes will bring upgrades too......but what they really need is a schooling on how to lose with dignity and class which they are lacking immensely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    .........Hamilton is a hollow champion, the luckiest driver of all time with gifted titles.
    We agree there. But that is something I have always known. He pushes the "pacifier" button on his steering wheel and his engineer has to calm him down when things are not going right for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Track temperatures were greater than 50 which is why gap was less in Silverstone, Mercedes engineers mentioned before qualifying that the higher the temperatures, the chance of them getting pole decreases, in the end the difference was nothing and that was due to temperature. Hamilton didn't extract maximum in Silverstone either as Bottas was on course to get pole before he made mistake in Sector 3.
    Eh? Totally disrespectful to our team who worked so hard on the updates for this race which both drivers confirmed worked well. Seb had more pace in his final quali lap as his S1 was slower than his S1 on the previous lap, so it wasnt his maximum either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icedeepan View Post
    Eh? Totally disrespectful to our team who worked so hard on the updates for this race which both drivers confirmed worked well. Seb had more pace in his final quali lap as his S1 was slower than his S1 on the previous lap, so it wasnt his maximum either.
    We should wait till German GP to confirm which car is the best. Why are you in a hurry to claim that Ferrari is the best car out there? If a team wins race without the best car, it is actually even more impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    We should wait till German GP to confirm which car is the best. Why are you in a hurry to claim that Ferrari is the best car out there? If a team wins race without the best car, it is actually even more impressive.
    Because you are in a hurry to confirm we are worse and we only win because the Mercs underperform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    We should wait till German GP to confirm which car is the best. Why are you in a hurry to claim that Ferrari is the best car out there? If a team wins race without the best car, it is actually even more impressive.
    Why Germany? why not Hungary? why not Monza? will you just keep saying what till the next race? We lead both titles we are performing very well and some races Merc might well have an edge does not mean you can dismiss us as 2nd best to Merc over and over.
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    I guess after several past difficult seasons for Ferrari, some are finding it very hard to believe that Ferrari is now able to beat Merc on equal footing.
    In this past couple of years, Ferrari have made huge improvements, and this year we are on par with Merc now.

    Merc no longer have the luxury of just cruising to a win each race. They have to push their car now, risking reliability issues.

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