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    I don’t think Vettel is even in the top 10 in wheel to wheel racing. Drivers like Ocon and Perez and Mugnussen would smoke him in the same car. The guy panicks like an amateur every time he is next to other cars. Ricciardo smoked him in the same car. Max smoked Ricciardo. So there is 2 guys already who are better than Vettel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFromMilan View Post
    1. Alonso
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    2.Verstappen
    3.Ricciardo
    4.Raikkonen
    5.Vettel
    6.Hulkenberg
    7.Sainz
    8.Hamilton
    9.Ocon
    10.Gasley/Leclerc


    The rest honestly don't even bring anything special, especially those Haas drivers
    I guess Hamilton ruined too many weekends for you (68 wins?) that’s why he is so low on your list hahaha.

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    Here is how a part of the forum sees the ratings after just 2 races from the summer break:
    1) Hamilton-Alonso
    2) Leclerc
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    19) Vettel
    20) Raikkonen

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    Alonso is the best bar none. Shame Ferrari took too long to build him a real winner of a car.
    We're doomed, Cap'n Mainwaring, doomed I tell ye!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Singer View Post
    Alonso is the best bar none. Shame Ferrari took too long to build him a real winner of a car.
    100% Agree! Coming up real quick is 20 yr. old Max. Ferrari ! Pay attention!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IulianFerrari View Post
    Here is how a part of the forum sees the ratings after just 2 races from the summer break:
    1) Hamilton-Alonso
    2) Leclerc
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    19) Vettel
    20) Raikkonen
    I wouldn’t say Seb and Kimi were the 2 worst but for sure they should have won both races since the Summer break. Hamilton went into the Summer with a 24 point advantage. And even though Ferrari has had the best car since coming back somehow Hamilton has managed to extend that advantage by a further 6 points. How could this happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonecrasher View Post
    I wouldn’t say Seb and Kimi were the 2 worst but for sure they should have won both races since the Summer break. Hamilton went into the Summer with a 24 point advantage. And even though Ferrari has had the best car since coming back somehow Hamilton has managed to extend that advantage by a further 6 points. How could this happen.
    God sent, that Lewis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonecrasher View Post
    I don’t think Vettel is even in the top 10 in wheel to wheel racing. Drivers like Ocon and Perez and Mugnussen would smoke him in the same car. The guy panicks like an amateur every time he is next to other cars. Ricciardo smoked him in the same car. Max smoked Ricciardo. So there is 2 guys already who are better than Vettel.
    Kvyat smoked Ricciardo in 2015, Rosberg smoked Hamilton in 2016, Button smoked Hamilton in 2011 and just like them, Ayrton Senna and other drivers have been smoked in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Kvyat smoked Ricciardo in 2015, Rosberg smoked Hamilton in 2016, Button smoked Hamilton in 2011 and just like them, Ayrton Senna and other drivers have been smoked in the past.
    maybe ferrari needs Kvyat & Button for ferrari in 2019 lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Kvyat smoked Ricciardo in 2015, Rosberg smoked Hamilton in 2016, Button smoked Hamilton in 2011 and just like them, Ayrton Senna and other drivers have been smoked in the past.
    I was referring to wheel to wheel racing. Of those you’ve mentioned only kvyat is as bad as Vettel in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwk360 View Post
    maybe ferrari needs Kvyat & Button for ferrari in 2019 lol
    nah, Button is way too young

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    1. Fernando Alonso
    2. Lewis Hamilton
    3. Sebastian Vettel
    4. Max Verstappen
    5. Daniel Ricciardo
    6. Valtteri Bottas
    7. Esteban Ocon
    8. Nico Hulkenberg
    9. Charles Leclerc
    10. Kimi Raikkonen
    11. Sergio Perez
    12. Pierre Gasly
    13. Carlos Sainz
    14. Kevin Magnussen
    15. Romain Grosjean
    16. Stoffel Vandoorne
    17. Marcus Ericsson
    18. Brendon Hartley
    19. Sergey Sirotkin
    20. Lance Stroll

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    1. Verstappen
    2. Hamilton
    3. Alonso
    4. Vettel
    5. Räikkönen
    6. Ricciardo, Hulkenberg

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    Hamilton
    Verstappen
    Alonso
    Riccardo
    Vettel

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    NOW (V6)

    Hamilton
    Alonso
    Vettel
    Verstappen

    Back in the days 2008-2013 (V8,V10)

    Vettel, Alonso
    Hamilton
    Button
    Kimi
    Kubica

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vettel165 View Post
    NOW (V6)

    Hamilton
    Alonso
    Vettel
    Verstappen

    Back in the days 2008-2013 (V8,V10)

    Vettel, Alonso
    Hamilton
    Button
    Kimi
    Kubica
    Back in the good old days it was:
    1) Alonso - Kimi - Hamilton
    2) everybody else
    Vettel wasn't in the picture.
    If you must take that time span, Kimi took a sabbatical, Hamilton was on par with Button and the championship was mostly between Vettel and Alonso(except for Brawn)
    Last edited by IulianFerrari; 16th September 2018 at 03:02.

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    I don't get those rating Vettel above Hamilton, that has shown to be categorically wrong these past two seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariFan View Post
    Hamilton
    Verstappen
    Alonso
    Riccardo
    Vettel
    This, but Alonso is ahead of Verstappen as he has far far fewer incidents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infi24r View Post
    I don't get those rating Vettel above Hamilton, that has shown to be categorically wrong these past two seasons.
    Leading championship for most of the season last year despite having a much inferior car proves that Vettel is way above Hamilton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infi24r View Post
    This, but Alonso is ahead of Verstappen as he has far far fewer incidents.
    Max is now only 20 yrs. old and his ride is not so hot to say the least. He's right up there like it or not with the best drivers with not one of the best cars. Alonso is the best driver with Max catching up. Leclerc is also I believe 20 yrs. old and come next yr. he will be driving one of; if not the best cars. I wish him well, just imagine Max blessed with a Ferrari car !! When he reaches 37 yrs. old he probably would be the main record breaker in F1

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Leading championship for most of the season last year despite having a much inferior car proves that Vettel is way above Hamilton.
    Ferrari had the marginally best car last year and Vettel + Team failed to maximise. They are following the same pattern this year. Vettel should be 60+ points ahead but he has been bottling it badly a few times. I mean Hamilton, with 3 mechanical issues compared to Zero for Vettel is leading by 40 points. I mean how incompetent can you get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Leading championship for most of the season last year despite having a much inferior car proves that Vettel is way above Hamilton.
    true
    hockenheim 2018 / China 2018 : Never forget how quick Ferrari can lose it all, be humble.
    Positivity doesn't win you championships, whining about people being negative makes you blind!
    lol ignore the bitter old cows ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Leading championship for most of the season last year despite having a much inferior car proves that Vettel is way above Hamilton.
    Way above for sure! Just look at this year so far, Lewis is no where to be found, 60 miserable points ahead is nothing.

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    1. Max

    Believe me, Hamilton would have his hands full of boy. He is outqualifying Ric by bigger margin then Lewis is outqualifying Bottas. Insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkchild View Post
    1. Max

    Believe me, Hamilton would have his hands full of boy. He is outqualifying Ric by bigger margin then Lewis is outqualifying Bottas. Insane.
    well if you search a bit the news you'll find out that Daniel is being left out from team meetings, RB are not using the recommended engine modes by Renault for extra power on Daniel's car and so on. He is basically a stranger in his own team. You cannot expect them to let him out pace their star driver now right? Max is behaving like a spoiled brat, even showing the fingers at journalists yesterday during the post race interviews and yet all is ok coz he knows RB is all about backing him up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRX202 View Post
    well if you search a bit the news you'll find out that Daniel is being left out from team meetings, RB are not using the recommended engine modes by Renault for extra power on Daniel's car and so on. He is basically a stranger in his own team. You cannot expect them to let him out pace their star driver now right? Max is behaving like a spoiled brat, even showing the fingers at journalists yesterday during the post race interviews and yet all is ok coz he knows RB is all about backing him up.
    didnt the samething happen when vettel left RB, dont think their talent just suddenly goes away
    hockenheim 2018 / China 2018 : Never forget how quick Ferrari can lose it all, be humble.
    Positivity doesn't win you championships, whining about people being negative makes you blind!
    lol ignore the bitter old cows ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwk360 View Post
    didnt the samething happen when vettel left RB, dont think their talent just suddenly goes away
    Maybe Daniel was never as good as everyone thought he was, maybe it was down to Vettel getting less attention or just passing time till he left.

    The truth is probably somewhere inbetween.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evo_spook View Post
    Maybe Daniel was never as good as everyone thought he was, maybe it was down to Vettel getting less attention or just passing time till he left.

    The truth is probably somewhere inbetween.
    Seb had a "bad car->get out" in his contract. And that happened, so he could move to Ferrari.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonecrasher View Post
    Ferrari had the marginally best car last year and Vettel + Team failed to maximise. They are following the same pattern this year. Vettel should be 60+ points ahead but he has been bottling it badly a few times. I mean Hamilton, with 3 mechanical issues compared to Zero for Vettel is leading by 40 points. I mean how incompetent can you get?
    Nice try....

    Ferrari did not have the marginally best car last year not even close. At specific circuits where short wheel base helped, Ferrari was faster. Monaco, Hungary, Singapore. But at most circuits it was advantage Merc and with bigger time gaps. Even at Monaco, Bottas was 0.045 sec away from Kimi at pole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DelMar View Post
    Nice try....

    Ferrari did not have the marginally best car last year not even close. At specific circuits where short wheel base helped, Ferrari was faster. Monaco, Hungary, Singapore. But at most circuits it was advantage Merc and with bigger time gaps. Even at Monaco, Bottas was 0.045 sec away from Kimi at pole.
    I think the Merc was the better car but they had issues with setup and understanding the tyres, which probably had to do with their suspension getting banned at last minute.

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