2018 Italian GP Monza: RACE

**mwk360** · 2nd September 2018, 19:19

Originally Posted by mizf1

Does he know something?

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/vi...ions_for_2019/

imagine if seb won and kimi p2 today, there would be huge protests to keep kimi, sadly the result will be a big negative factor for both drivers and the new ceo looks like pushover

**mwk360** · 2nd September 2018, 19:24

Originally Posted by Otakukim

The way seb answered questions today. It seems he is alone in this battle. He said he has to fight three drivers on track lol

thats really disappointing, ferrari are not in a position to afford this, if they had merc of 2016 maybe, but they are losing both titles what are hoping to gain by having each driver take points out of one another and risking incidents, dumb decision in china and kimi lost p2 thanks to seb, reverse happened today and seb spun out. dumb. bad weekend in general for vettel, a lot of scrappy laps and was unfortunate to be infront of kimi in q3. bot said slipstream is worth atleast 0.3s as he did his entire lap without slipstream and had purple s2 if i remember

**alfaromeo** · 2nd September 2018, 19:25

In one race mistakes vettel in the second error of the ferrari error in the strategy. Too many mistakes this year vettel and also ferrari. Seven races before the end should be crystal clear what the kimi must do in the team HELP VETTEL Ferrari and vettel will loses championship because of own mistake.

**mizf1** · 2nd September 2018, 19:27

Originally Posted by mwk360

According to seb, the reason kimi got a tow in q3 is because every weekend they switch orders of who goes behind who, now instead of using their brain and reacting to the situation they remained with the decision to keep kimi in tow, seb alluded next race he should be the one behind but its more of a hindrance than a benefit in singapore to follow another car

agreed with the rest of your message

Yep, they should judge eqch race seperately. Also I can't remember Kimi towing vettel in Spa? Anyone remember

**Cavallino** · 2nd September 2018, 19:31

I for one didn't think Hamilton was crazy enough to try a move like that. While leading the championship! Imagine if the reverse happened.

But of course, it's like his car is made of diamonds.

**Ferrarichamp** · 2nd September 2018, 19:33

so there are 4 possible outcomes:

-Ferrari win both titles
-Merc win both
-Ferrari win wcc and Merc wdc
-Merc win wcc and Ferrari wdc

anything but option number 2

**stefa** · 2nd September 2018, 19:34

30 points deficit and 7 races left... It is a mighty mountain to climb... Not impossible, but I won't raise my hopes high...

**mwk360** · 2nd September 2018, 19:34

Originally Posted by mizf1

Yep, they should judge eqch race seperately. Also I can't remember Kimi towing vettel in Spa? Anyone remember

he ran out of fuel lol and was fiasco with the rain coming there was no established order

**stefa** · 2nd September 2018, 19:35

Originally Posted by Ferrarichamp

so there are 4 possible outcomes:

-Ferrari win both titles
-Merc win both
-Ferrari win wcc and Merc wdc
-Merc win wcc and Ferrari wdc

anything but option number 2

How the things are unraveling now I fear that option 2 will be!

**mwk360** · 2nd September 2018, 19:35

Originally Posted by Cavallino

I for one didn't think Hamilton was crazy enough to try a move like that. While leading the championship! Imagine if the reverse happened.

But of course, it's like his car is made of diamonds.

honestly, its like his car is made of titanium and seb's of glass, not a scratch on his car and he clipped seb in the first corner already i think

**Module** · 2nd September 2018, 19:36

Originally Posted by Cavallino

I for one didn't think Hamilton was crazy enough to try a move like that. While leading the championship! Imagine if the reverse happened.

But of course, it's like his car is made of diamonds.

It isn't crazy by Hamilton against Seb, any other driver yes. Hamilton is ahead in points, by a big margin. He can risk against Seb, its Vettel who has to be careful.

**Cavallino** · 2nd September 2018, 19:36

Originally Posted by stefa

30 points deficit and 7 races left... It is a mighty mountain to climb... Not impossible, but I won't raise my hopes high...

Singapore is a must win. It'll be within a race win then. Hopefully less with some expected help from the Red Bulls. One things for sure, you got to get Ham off the podium every race.

**Cavallino** · 2nd September 2018, 19:39

Originally Posted by Module

It isn't crazy by Hamilton against Seb, any other driver yes. Hamilton is ahead in points, by a big margin. He can risk against Seb, its Vettel who has to be careful.

a race win isn't a huge margin. this day in age it is i suppose.

but if i was Ham, i wouldn't have risked it. I would just limit damage until tracks I was better at. I suppose there are two ways to look at it. If Ham thinks he won't have a good Singapore, and a Ferrrari 1-2 means his lead is cut to 7, he needed to take action.

If he believes the worse case is they both are out of the race, no harm done as far as he is concerned.

If you don't win Singapore, this is over.

**Vettel165** · 2nd September 2018, 19:39

Seb was 25 points behind Alonso with 2 races to go in 2010. All is not yet lost, but we have to strike back. I still believe.

**Cavallino** · 2nd September 2018, 19:40

Originally Posted by Vettel165

Seb was 25 points behind Alonso with 2 races to go in 2010. All is not yet lost, but we have to strike back.

Schumacher was 12 or so behind Hakkinen in 2000, when 10 was a race win.

**mwk360** · 2nd September 2018, 19:42

Originally Posted by Vettel165

Seb was 25 points behind Alonso with 2 races to go in 2010. All is not yet lost, but we have to strike back.

it'l be hard to strike back when you fighting 3 cars though add RBR in singapore and mexico and its uphill for seb, and ferrari

**Christopher** · 2nd September 2018, 19:43

Grosjeans been disqualified for an illegal floor wonder what tricks Haas were doing

**mwk360** · 2nd September 2018, 19:43

If binotto can fix the tyre issues and get some improved aero on the car, seb has a chance as long as kimi and Rb take points away from ham

**Christopher** · 2nd September 2018, 19:44

Originally Posted by mwk360

it'l be hard to strike back when you fighting 3 cars though add RBR in singapore and mexico and its uphill for seb, and ferrari

Probably better to be fighting 3 cars more drivers to take point off Lewis

**mwk360** · 2nd September 2018, 19:44

Originally Posted by Christopher

Grosjeans been disqualified for an illegal floor wonder what tricks Haas were doing

Wow! i thought they copy pasted ferrari's new floor design, i hope not!

**mwk360** · 2nd September 2018, 19:45

Originally Posted by Christopher

Probably better to be fighting 3 cars more drivers to take point off Lewis

thats true!

**Ferrarichamp** · 2nd September 2018, 19:46

Whatever happens for wdc i think Lewis needs at least one DNF, for wcc not necessarily as that depends a lot on Kimi and Bottas. I think at this point the constructors seems a bit more likely for us.

**mwk360** · 2nd September 2018, 19:47

mean while no investigation on the flexing merc rear wing , btw sky said ferrari were forced to do an oil and petrol sample test for fia close to starting the race which is unusual

**Fiondella** · 2nd September 2018, 19:50

Originally Posted by Cavallino

Singapore is a must win. It'll be within a race win then. Hopefully less with some expected help from the Red Bulls. One things for sure, you got to get Ham off the podium every race.

Maybe crashtappen can do his worst to help us alla Crashgate Singapore 2008. We need miracles and team orders!!!

**DelMar** · 2nd September 2018, 19:50

Originally Posted by Cavallino

Schumacher was 12 or so behind Hakkinen in 2000, when 10 was a race win.

In 2016 Lewis was 19 ahead of Rosberg after German GP. 5 races later after Suzuka, he was 33 points behind.

**ChrisFerrari** · 2nd September 2018, 19:51

Originally Posted by Cavallino

Schumacher was 12 or so behind Hakkinen in 2000, when 10 was a race win.

He was never 12 behind Hakkinen, at maximum he was down by 6 points (equals 18 - 2nd place now) after the Belgian GP. Then he went on to win ALL 4 remaining races. Compared to that, Seb has almost twice as many points to overcome while he has made 4 crucial mistakes so far( Italy, Germany, Baku, France) but he has 7 more races to operate with.
Its possible but we need him to put up a Michael-like performance which I just cannot see happening. Momentum is a dangerous thing. Hamilton believes that he is unbeatable and so far this season somehow justifies it either through luck or performance.

**Module** · 2nd September 2018, 19:51

Third being Kimi?

Vettel is only fighting one car, Hamiltons. Team orders will come and Kimi will follow them.

Best result for Vettel is 1-2 for Ferrari. That means that Kimi has to be up there, sometimes even in front of him and he shouldn't try to comprmise Kimis race, eventhou that would mean always not winning by merit but by TO.

Diving on your team mate, that 100% certain would have been moved to the side later, opening a space for your worst rival is idiotic and has nothing to do with him fighting 3 cars.

Vettel is fighting one car and his own head that doesn't seem to be on target

**mwk360** · 2nd September 2018, 19:54

Originally Posted by Fiondella

Maybe crashtappen can do his worst to help us alla Crashgate Singapore 2008. We need miracles and team orders!!!

lol leclerc convenient brake by wire failure in a safe incident taking out ham. i know im jinxing seb like crazy but i doubt it would make a difference he has a blackcloud over him for a few races already now