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    The FIA shut down Ferrari's Engine Advantage

    https://youtu.be/8Q1gGmU40zA



    So this explains a lot why suddenly it became more sucky for Ferrari


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    There's no new information whatsoever in that clip. This is exactly the same speculations that everbody's is talking about. No one knows for sure what has happened. What have the added sensors shown the FIA that they didn't see when the spec 2 was introduced at first? What new data have the FIA got and what have they told Ferrari they can't do anymore? Obviously, the great traction out of slow corners and the great first acceleration phase is gone and it's possible to see that with the eyes only. But is it only down to the mapping of the hybrid parts or is it something more along with that? Also, do Ferrari have more sensors on their cars than the others? And why was it Renault who first said they saw something strange on their GPSs about Ferrari and told Merc and Allison about it? Why is Renault working with Merc against Ferrari? Who is Ferrari then working with in the same way? No one?

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    It could be as simple as Ferrari cutting back the power to save the engine all due to this 3 component allocation allotment that is allowed. If Ferrari keeps pushing their last engine and it blows, they will eventually go to the back of the grid. Either they push their last engine hard or dial it back, ultimately handing Mercedes the win for 2018.
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    Clearly we found a loophole and have been told by the FIA to change it. We are now chasing the lost straight line speed and probably having to change our setup hence now ruining tyres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    Clearly we found a loophole and have been told by the FIA to change it. We are now chasing the lost straight line speed and probably having to change our setup hence now ruining tyres.
    Perfectly said...!! I’m on the same line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    It could be as simple as Ferrari cutting back the power to save the engine all due to this 3 component allocation allotment that is allowed. If Ferrari keeps pushing their last engine and it blows, they will eventually go to the back of the grid. Either they push their last engine hard or dial it back, ultimately handing Mercedes the win for 2018.
    If that's the case then Ferrari have basicly handed the win for 2018 to Merc anyway, by cutting back the power. They handed the win without blowing the engines. In the end the result is the same.

    There could also be another explanation. Maybe Ferrari knew all along the FIA would eventually clamp down on what they have been doing this season in order to hide something else for next year. With more sensors now in place (if that's the case) and if Ferrari come out even more competitive next year compared to this year it will be harder for the FIA to satisfy the other teams (if they complain again) because Ferrari will be the most watched team from the start anyway. Bottom line, maybe Ferrari have something more up their sleeve which they keep for next year?

    Anyway you look at it something has happened and there is no official explanation. So, for an outsider looking in, it seems some teams complained to the FIA because they couldn't figure out (technically) what Ferrari have been doing and the FIA then took the safe route (siding with the teams) and ordered Ferrari to stop doing what they have been doing even though they have no clue what's going on. In a situation like that one would think Merc should have found some merit in maybe winning against a "cheating Ferrari". Had they won anyway they could have been boasting about it. But no, it seems they took the safe route without understanding what's going on anyway. That's a first time ever some things may have been banned in F1 without any clear evidence of being against the rules. If something has been banned that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 512 TR View Post
    If that's the case then Ferrari have basicly handed the win for 2018 to Merc anyway, by cutting back the power. They handed the win without blowing the engines. In the end the result is the same.

    There could also be another explanation. Maybe Ferrari knew all along the FIA would eventually clamp down on what they have been doing this season in order to hide something else for next year. With more sensors now in place (if that's the case) and if Ferrari come out even more competitive next year compared to this year it will be harder for the FIA to satisfy the other teams (if they complain again) because Ferrari will be the most watched team from the start anyway. Bottom line, maybe Ferrari have something more up their sleeve which they keep for next year?

    Anyway you look at it something has happened and there is no official explanation. So, for an outsider looking in, it seems some teams complained to the FIA because they couldn't figure out (technically) what Ferrari have been doing and the FIA then took the safe route (siding with the teams) and ordered Ferrari to stop doing what they have been doing even though they have no clue what's going on. In a situation like that one would think Merc should have found some merit in maybe winning against a "cheating Ferrari". Had they won anyway they could have been boasting about it. But no, it seems they took the safe route without understanding what's going on anyway. That's a first time ever some things may have been banned in F1 without any clear evidence of being against the rules. If something has been banned that is.
    So ferrari needs to find some balls and call the bluff, as not to stop doing anything without the explanation why they should. But this team has been ballless for ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 512 TR View Post
    If that's the case then Ferrari have basicly handed the win for 2018 to Merc anyway, by cutting back the power. They handed the win without blowing the engines. In the end the result is the same.

    There could also be another explanation. Maybe Ferrari knew all along the FIA would eventually clamp down on what they have been doing this season in order to hide something else for next year. With more sensors now in place (if that's the case) and if Ferrari come out even more competitive next year compared to this year it will be harder for the FIA to satisfy the other teams (if they complain again) because Ferrari will be the most watched team from the start anyway. Bottom line, maybe Ferrari have something more up their sleeve which they keep for next year?

    Anyway you look at it something has happened and there is no official explanation. So, for an outsider looking in, it seems some teams complained to the FIA because they couldn't figure out (technically) what Ferrari have been doing and the FIA then took the safe route (siding with the teams) and ordered Ferrari to stop doing what they have been doing even though they have no clue what's going on. In a situation like that one would think Merc should have found some merit in maybe winning against a "cheating Ferrari". Had they won anyway they could have been boasting about it. But no, it seems they took the safe route without understanding what's going on anyway. That's a first time ever some things may have been banned in F1 without any clear evidence of being against the rules. If something has been banned that is.
    We definitely found a loophole....but it more than likely stresses the components so that's why the dial down. We're definitely hiding this from Charlie and the FIA hence as to why we are covering up the camera since it's pointing directly at the steering wheel; these cars take an hour to get ready so it's probably some display on the steering wheel where it shows the harvesting procedure of the batteries maybe??

    We're going to use this tech in 2019 as a launch platform for the next up-and-coming Spec engines.
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    [Motorsport]

    FIA: Ferrari slump "not linked at all" to battery sensors
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    We definitely found a loophole....but it more than likely stresses the components so that's why the dial down. We're definitely hiding this from Charlie and the FIA hence as to why we are covering up the camera since it's pointing directly at the steering wheel; these cars take an hour to get ready so it's probably some display on the steering wheel where it shows the harvesting procedure of the batteries maybe??

    We're going to use this tech in 2019 as a launch platform for the next up-and-coming Spec engines.
    I doubt we would throw the titles away by turning down our engines, how can we hide something they know about?????? and if hiding it why would we put it on display on the steering wheel? not the greatest place to hide things having it on display
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    The idiot Charlie Whiting is at it again...

    FIA: Ferrari slump "not linked at all" to battery sensors
    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...nsors/3192117/

    "Pushed on whether he could clarify exactly when the second sensor had been added to the Ferrari, Whiting said: “No. If I do that, unfortunately I will be telling you all about Ferrari’s car and hence I will be telling all the other teams about Ferrari’s car, and that is not something I can do."

    Number one. It was Renault that told Merc about it and the Allison told the FIA about it. The "strange" GPS figures that is. Rivals already know more about Ferrari's car/package than apparently the FIA do. So what is Charlie on about that he doesn't want to disclose? Anybody who is following this closely can see that is a contradictory statement. Number two. What has the timing of the second sensor to do with the technology itself? Why can't he disclose when it was put on the car? Does it mean the FIA still know more than the rivals do and if they say when it happened then rivals will be able to get even more information about it by making some cross reference of the timing? And if the second sensor has nothing all to do with the slump then why is the FIA hiding information about all of this? Is this the new F1 that was promised by bringing fans closer to the sport and the inner workings? Guess statements like that only look good on paper.

    If you take all the above and the "special tyres" brought in once the season had already started then it's hard to just let i go and say everything is normal. The FIA and Liberty are being saved by the fact that Ferrari (pitwall and drivers) have been making huge mistakes this year. We just don't have the ammo to keep on shooting. That's why everyone at Ferrari are keeping quiet (biting their tongues).

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    All very convenient. I do not expect Ferrari slowed themselves down, it must be related.

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    After a lot of articles I believe it's more of a tyre/suspension issue. In terms of top end speed we are still up there but tyre management has gone down the drain. Graining, blisters and all. It seems the car is no longer planted on rails like before and very nervous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRX202 View Post
    After a lot of articles I believe it's more of a tyre/suspension issue. In terms of top end speed we are still up there but tyre management has gone down the drain. Graining, blisters and all. It seems the car is no longer planted on rails like before and very nervous.
    I think so too, somehow tyres are no good for Ferrari anymore, and that happened so fast...I am searching my tinfoil hat atm.

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    I'm afraid effects of departures of James Allison and Simone Resta are starting to show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Harley View Post
    I'm afraid effects of departures of James Allison and Simone Resta are starting to show.
    yes, by the FIA adding one sensor on our car for each one of them.....

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    FIA's sensors or amount of them have very little to do with tyre wear and car development in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Harley View Post
    FIA's sensors or amount of them have very little to do with tyre wear and car development in general.
    i know it was just a bit of sarcastic joke. I tend to think it is the other way round to be honest. Ever since the two left Ferrari became a serious contender. No one can deny we started strong this year, the downfall is all due to internal issues within the team. This year is done for, let's hope things are settled before 2019 season so maybe finally Ferrari can capitalise on their progress.

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    There is no conspiracy of FIA trying to stop Ferrari from winning.
    They are just doing what they always do, closing loopholes that could lead to expensive development race.

    IMO it's similar with Renault's mass damper. FIA didn't want it to lead to some extreme development, so they invoke the magic rule of movable aero part to ban it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    There is no conspiracy of FIA trying to stop Ferrari from winning.
    They are just doing what they always do, closing loopholes that could lead to expensive development race.

    IMO it's similar with Renault's mass damper. FIA didn't want it to lead to some extreme development, so they invoke the magic rule of movable aero part to ban it.
    With a thinking like that the FIA might as well make F1 a spec series and be done with it. Oh wait, that's exactly what it seems will happen in the future...

    Ban all development that is too hard to control. Reminds me of an ideology that failed in the 20th century, someone just forgot to tell the chinese about it.

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    I believe it's more of a tyre/suspension issue
    Same as what happened in France.
    I'm afraid effects of departures of James Allison and Simone Resta are starting to show.
    Not James ,he never showed what a difference he can make,yes Simon I believed,sees Sauber performance rerentley.

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    It looks like he showed enough for Mercedes to hire him and Mercedes seem to be doing quite well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golfsmith View Post
    Same as what happened in France.

    Not James ,he never showed what a difference he can make,yes Simon I believed,sees Sauber performance rerentley.
    Simone has been a loss for sure, the sf-71h has had terrible aero that keeps failing since silverstone and forcing the team to revert to old specs and barely progressing with the car this year outside of PU
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    This is one of the reasons for mercedes rise after summerbreak !

    https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/re...rrari/3192098/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smintlemon View Post
    This is one of the reasons for mercedes rise after summerbreak !

    https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/re...rrari/3192098/
    Then maybe a budget cap would have given us the championship after all?! 30 million Euro for revised rear suspension and heat-absorbing wheels, that's just the start of Merc's latest attack on Ferrari! All we needed was Sergio M's firm hand to guide and inspire us but sadly that was a big loss to motivation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wisepie View Post
    Then maybe a budget cap would have given us the championship after all?! 30 million Euro for revised rear suspension and heat-absorbing wheels, that's just the start of Merc's latest attack on Ferrari! All we needed was Sergio M's firm hand ot guide and inspire us but sadly that was a big loss to motivation.
    well, yes. When it was foreseeable that SM is serverely ill they, first of all was MA, lost the direction/ motivation. Like a scared big bunch of chicken.
    And Seb needs a calm and cool background to give his maximum.

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    It's been very quiet about all of this for well over a week know. I guess everyone is happy about the situation and nobody wants to go too deep into this. Probably because of all the dirty little secrets in other places (teams). Ferrari can't say much either as they've made too many mistakes of their own this season. It would just look silly and pathetic blaming the FIA at this moment.

    But the questions are still there and should not go away. One big question is why Renault decided to share its GPS data with Merc regarding Ferrari's rapid early acceleration exiting slower corners (great low speed traction). And also obviously when exactly the extra sensors were placed on the cars. Meaning, what's the difference between the spec 2 and the spec 3 PU? For the record, Ferrari won with the spec 1 (Australia, Bahrain), spec 2 (Canada, Britain) and the spec 3 (Belgium) PUs. Shouldn't then there be something "fishy" already at the start of the season? Especially as early as Bahrain (Australia was a little bit lucky).

    I for one believe the swing in Mercs favour is down to both the FIA shutting down Ferrari and Merc's development with the new suspension and heat-absorbing new rims. 3-4 tenths because of the shut-down and 3-4 tenths because of Merc's development compared to Ferrari's dito. Had the FIA not shut it down then Ferrari could have affored being outdeveloped by Merc and still be competitive. At least more competitve than in the last three races. Looks like the powers that are took the safe route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 512 TR View Post
    It's been very quiet about all of this for well over a week know. I guess everyone is happy about the situation and nobody wants to go too deep into this. Probably because of all the dirty little secrets in other places (teams). Ferrari can't say much either as they've made too many mistakes of their own this season. It would just look silly and pathetic blaming the FIA at this moment.

    But the questions are still there and should not go away. One big question is why Renault decided to share its GPS data with Merc regarding Ferrari's rapid early acceleration exiting slower corners (great low speed traction). And also obviously when exactly the extra sensors were placed on the cars. Meaning, what's the difference between the spec 2 and the spec 3 PU? For the record, Ferrari won with the spec 1 (Australia, Bahrain), spec 2 (Canada, Britain) and the spec 3 (Belgium) PUs. Shouldn't then there be something "fishy" already at the start of the season? Especially as early as Bahrain (Australia was a little bit lucky).

    I for one believe the swing in Mercs favour is down to both the FIA shutting down Ferrari and Merc's development with the new suspension and heat-absorbing new rims. 3-4 tenths because of the shut-down and 3-4 tenths because of Merc's development compared to Ferrari's dito. Had the FIA not shut it down then Ferrari could have affored being outdeveloped by Merc and still be competitive. At least more competitve than in the last three races. Looks like the powers that are took the safe route.
    I'm thinking along the same lines, and instead of still having a championship to fight for, we have been on the back foot since Singapore and HAM will run away with it. Well done to all concerned for making F1 into a Formula Mercedes/FIA/tyre preservation competition, OK so Ferrari are possibly not blameless either, but it has ruined the season for us and for most F1 fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisepie View Post
    I'm thinking along the same lines, and instead of still having a championship to fight for, we have been on the back foot since Singapore and HAM will run away with it. Well done to all concerned for making F1 into a Formula Mercedes/FIA/tyre preservation competition, OK so Ferrari are possibly not blameless either, but it has ruined the season for us and for most F1 fans.
    Well said indeed Wisepie!

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