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    I was about to post that myself. Just another reason why I won't be following F1 after the 2020 season as it stands right now. Dumbing down the engine evolution, bigger rims, standard gearbox cassette etc. That's not F1 anymore. All of this is a shoe-in for a spec. series in the future so one might as well get off the train at the first possible station.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 512 TR View Post
    I was about to post that myself. Just another reason why I won't be following F1 after the 2020 season as it stands right now. Dumbing down the engine evolution, bigger rims, standard gearbox cassette etc. That's not F1 anymore. All of this is a shoe-in for a spec. series in the future so one might as well get off the train at the first possible station.
    I believe in outsourceing for those that are'nt a works team with personnel about half of what a works teams employs. Case in point-->HAAS. It's a mid-fielder and has only 3yrs in F1 compared to some iconic teams that have been in F1 for 40yrs or 30yrs and whom are backmarkers currently; namely Mclaren and Williams. HAAS pretty much outsources everything and they have way less sponsorship of the likes of SPRPF1T (aka Force India) whom have tons of sponsorship.

    So if your an F1 team will a limited budget in this highly complex and highly financial F1 era you either: 1) Get a ton of sponsors or 2) outsource everything........something Mclaren and Williams has neither of but should follow HAAS should they want to survive instead of being in the backfield.

    Williams is the next team to go belly up. It's unfortunate. I don't believe in a spec series either in F1 but if you're not willing to adapt given your predicament then ultimately these iconic teams will fail in the short term.

    Williams has missed 2 days of testing already and they look to make it Wednesday mid-day. RokIt is their "main" sponsor and they look questionable from a financial perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    I believe in outsourceing for those that are'nt a works team with personnel about half of what a works teams employs. Case in point-->HAAS. It's a mid-fielder and has only 3yrs in F1 compared to some iconic teams that have been in F1 for 40yrs or 30yrs and whom are backmarkers currently; namely Mclaren and Williams. HAAS pretty much outsources everything and they have way less sponsorship of the likes of SPRPF1T (aka Force India) whom have tons of sponsorship.

    So if your an F1 team will a limited budget in this highly complex and highly financial F1 era you either: 1) Get a ton of sponsors or 2) outsource everything........something Mclaren and Williams has neither of but should follow HAAS should they want to survive instead of being in the backfield.

    Williams is the next team to go belly up. It's unfortunate. I don't believe in a spec series either in F1 but if you're not willing to adapt given your predicament then ultimately these iconic teams will fail in the short term.

    Williams has missed 2 days of testing already and they look to make it Wednesday mid-day. RokIt is their "main" sponsor and they look questionable from a financial perspective.
    I'm not critical about supplying parts to smaller teams. It's happening now as well. What I'm critical about is to have even more standard parts for everyone. It was bad when McLaren was given the contract for the ECU. I could buy that, but barely as it's not a physical designed and engineered car part but some circuits and software. But I put my red line there and then. A standard gearbox cassette is something totally different. It basicly is a shoe-in for a spec. series. I will not support that by watching it. I'm obviously fine if the majority of Ferrari fans still will even though I think it will be a sad day. They (Liberty and Brawn) will not stop until the PU is spec as well. I would feel the same way even if it would be Ferrari who won the tender to supply the standard gearbox cassette.

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    Don't we already outsource our gearbox anyway? It's hardly going to make any difference really as they will still all be unique in the casing?
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    According to Mark Priestly, there is rumour going around aboutHonda again having vibrations so both RB and TR can't run the engine to its potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    Don't we already outsource our gearbox anyway? It's hardly going to make any difference really as they will still all be unique in the casing?
    It's not about outsourcing our gearbox to smaller teams. It's about not being able to produce the gearbox ourselves anymore. If the tender goes out and companies like Xtrac or Hewland win then all teams will be forced to use that gearbox cassette in their casings. It will be a foreign body inside a Ferrari without Ferrari being able to do anything about it. That is unthinkable for the road car division so why should it be acceptable for the F1 team? If Ferrari win the tender why should it be acceptable for Merc to run a Ferrari gearbox? That's a spec. series then in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 512 TR View Post
    It's not about outsourcing our gearbox to smaller teams. It's about not being able to produce the gearbox ourselves anymore. If the tender goes out and companies like Xtrac or Hewland win then all teams will be forced to use that gearbox cassette in their casings. It will be a foreign body inside a Ferrari without Ferrari being able to do anything about it. That is unthinkable for the road car division so why should it be acceptable for the F1 team? If Ferrari win the tender why should it be acceptable for Merc to run a Ferrari gearbox? That's a spec. series then in that regard.
    I mean I am sure we get someone else to make our gearbox at the moment, or did in the past. So it's not much different.
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    Constructors will never agree to a spec series. They are in F1 for showcasing their own technology and doing marketing that way. What's the use of them participating in a spec series?

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    Well, I'll hold off on getting off the train, but all this standardizing is giving me pause. We've gone from the strict "no customer cars" to wanting to standardize everything. I used to like Ross Brawn, lately not so much!
    I'll "get off" when I can't stand it anymore, but I doubt it will ever come to that for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    I mean I am sure we get someone else to make our gearbox at the moment, or did in the past. So it's not much different.
    Yes, like Mahle make the pistons for the engine. But that's by Ferrari's choosing and consent. A standard gearbox, for example made by Xtrac and forced upon all teams is basicly socialism. That's the difference. If you don't want to see the difference and be a sheep about it, fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 512 TR View Post
    Yes, like Mahle make the pistons for the engine. But that's by Ferrari's choosing and consent. A standard gearbox, for example made by Xtrac and forced upon all teams is basicly socialism. That's the difference. If you don't want to see the difference and be a sheep about it, fine.
    I agree with you, but it's not basicly socialism, it's pure communism

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    Quote Originally Posted by 512 TR View Post
    I was about to post that myself. Just another reason why I won't be following F1 after the 2020 season as it stands right now. Dumbing down the engine evolution, bigger rims, standard gearbox cassette etc. That's not F1 anymore. All of this is a shoe-in for a spec. series in the future so one might as well get off the train at the first possible station.
    I completely agree with you. Its like they want to make it like a NASCAR like series, to sell tickets and for profit, nothing else. NASCAR has no value to manufactures, except it just gives the manufacture a way to get the name to more people, direct marketing, like hiring a marketing firm, NASCAR is just a marketing firm that Manufacture use to put their name out, thats all. Formula 1 used to be a platform for manufacture to enter so they can do research and development, manufactures to showcase their technology, and/or advance their technology through highly competitive environment for development and design. They sold cars through showcasing technical advancements and winning in a highly competitive environment. Not in a lottery like NASCAR. I am disappointed that a great Engineer like Ross Brawn has this type of stupid idea, I am sorry, but.. it is stupid to loose your fanbase and what F1 has done throughout history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zike View Post
    I agree with you, but it's not basicly socialism, it's pure communism
    I think you have no idea what socialism is, if it was socialism, then everyone would get involved, drivers, fans, manufactures, everyone would get involved to make decisions, not just a rich few at the top.

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    As far as the top 3 or even 4 teams , it's going to be up to the drivers more than ever to pole ; podium; and win. Being alert and fearless will overcome the worst of the car. Mission Winnow has a great car so far and Seb has to be dying to erase last years loss. he best of luck to Charles in his Wnnow seat, he so far deserves to be there. Ross Brawn Down hill ever since he left team Schumacher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 512 TR View Post
    Yes, like Mahle make the pistons for the engine. But that's by Ferrari's choosing and consent. A standard gearbox, for example made by Xtrac and forced upon all teams is basicly socialism. That's the difference. If you don't want to see the difference and be a sheep about it, fine.
    I honestly don't care much about our gearbox, if it's made by Ferrari or whoever. Ferrari will agree to this change if it happens so I guess that would be giving consent.....the ratio's etc are already pretty much set in stone so is it really worth caring much about if the cogs are made by a third party as other parts are in the engine and car. I could maybe see your point if Ferrari make everything in the car, but we don't. And it's nothing like or about socialism or sheep baaaa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    And it's nothing like or about socialism or sheep baaaa.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mardyrt View Post
    I think you have no idea what socialism is, if it was socialism, then everyone would get involved, drivers, fans, manufactures, everyone would get involved to make decisions, not just a rich few at the top.
    It was a joke, sarcasm. I have lived in so called socialism and I don't like it, I prefer good old fashioned capitalism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    I honestly don't care much about our gearbox, if it's made by Ferrari or whoever. Ferrari will agree to this change if it happens so I guess that would be giving consent.....the ratio's etc are already pretty much set in stone so is it really worth caring much about if the cogs are made by a third party as other parts are in the engine and car. I could maybe see your point if Ferrari make everything in the car, but we don't. And it's nothing like or about socialism or sheep baaaa.
    The "Ferrari" farm tractors (forget the name, although we have one) all use a Japanese gearbox. If they are the best....

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    [Autosport] Mexican President cuts F1 race funding.

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    Is Ted Kravitz gone? i saw some people say he might be gone, hopefully herbert or webber dont replace him they are terrible
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    [Autosport] Mexican President cuts F1 race funding.

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    aw well hopefully they'l come to SA some day lol even if its every few years or so
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    I honestly don't care much about our gearbox, if it's made by Ferrari or whoever. Ferrari will agree to this change if it happens so I guess that would be giving consent.....the ratio's etc are already pretty much set in stone so is it really worth caring much about if the cogs are made by a third party as other parts are in the engine and car. I could maybe see your point if Ferrari make everything in the car, but we don't. And it's nothing like or about socialism or sheep baaaa.
    Elkann and Camilleri will most likely agree to anything. They are not hardball type of persons. Enzo on the other hand would never have agreed to a spec. gearbox. I think even Sergio would have said no, even LdM. That's the difference. Elkann is just a caretaker who lucked in to his position because of the family he comes from, he's not the type of person who would have started a racing team and a car manufacturer on his own. Everyone obviously has a choice what they want to follow after the 2020 season. You will be following a spec. series in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 512 TR View Post
    Elkann and Camilleri will most likely agree to anything. They are not hardball type of persons. Enzo on the other hand would never have agreed to a spec. gearbox. I think even Sergio would have said no, even LdM. That's the difference. Elkann is just a caretaker who lucked in to his position because of the family he comes from, he's not the type of person who would have started a racing team and a car manufacturer on his own. Everyone obviously has a choice what they want to follow after the 2020 season. You will be following a spec. series in the future.
    Don't let the weird smiles of camilleri fool you, the man is ruthless when it comes to business. Wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 512 TR View Post
    Elkann and Camilleri will most likely agree to anything. They are not hardball type of persons. Enzo on the other hand would never have agreed to a spec. gearbox. I think even Sergio would have said no, even LdM. That's the difference. Elkann is just a caretaker who lucked in to his position because of the family he comes from, he's not the type of person who would have started a racing team and a car manufacturer on his own. Everyone obviously has a choice what they want to follow after the 2020 season. You will be following a spec. series in the future.
    I really can't remember the last time I seen a post or thread talking about our gearbox until this move by the FIA, as I said it's not going to make any difference to 99% of fans.
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    Told you.

    Xtrac set to bid for exclusive F1 gearbox supply deal for 2021-'24
    http://www.f1reader.com/news/xtrac-s...-039-24-217781

    Question is, will Ferrari submit a tender for the contract? What will Merc do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    I really can't remember the last time I seen a post or thread talking about our gearbox until this move by the FIA, as I said it's not going to make any difference to 99% of fans.
    Why bring up something that hasn't needed any attention in the past, as everyone that wants to is still making their own gearbox? Do you usually talk about things people take for granted, like breathing air for instance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 512 TR View Post
    Told you.

    Xtrac set to bid for exclusive F1 gearbox supply deal for 2021-'24
    http://www.f1reader.com/news/xtrac-s...-039-24-217781

    Question is, will Ferrari submit a tender for the contract? What will Merc do?



    Why bring up something that hasn't needed any attention in the past, as everyone that wants to is still making their own gearbox? Do you usually talk about things people take for granted, like breathing air for instance?
    LOL really, so you think a Ferrari F1 forum would not be the place to talk about Ferrari and their car? I am sure if you join a breathing air forum they might well talk about breathing air....are we making our own gearbox? last I head no we do not but then again nobody really cares about it or we would know right.....
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    Were you responsible for the appointment of Pascal Wehrlein as a simulator driver at Ferrari?

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    nice job from Seb i remember wehrlein giving seb a ride when stroll crashed into him on the lap to the pits
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    LOL really, so you think a Ferrari F1 forum would not be the place to talk about Ferrari and their car? I am sure if you join a breathing air forum they might well talk about breathing air....are we making our own gearbox? last I head no we do not but then again nobody really cares about it or we would know right.....
    You mean there are forums that talk about breathing air? Really...

    What do you mean Ferrari don't design and make their own gearbox? Of course they do and they also supply Haas and Alfa. All four engine manufacturers make their own gearboxes and supply it, both the casing and the cassette (internals). The only team not using the engine manufacturer's gearbox is Williams, who use their own one.

    "Nobody really cares"? Maybe you don't. I see posts in this thread that say otherwise. You really do like to make assumptions and generalizations, don't you?

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