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    https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/sta...29811757273096

    fun vid, sf90 ferrari watch ad filmed during Barcelona visit
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    https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/an...ente-/4357442/

    has a great animation of the sf90 changes from last year's car, dont think there was any changes from reveal this year so the animation is pretty up to date



    It is curious that the SF90 is the most copied single-seater from the day of its presentation, but on its debut in the Australian GP it disappointed the expectations of Ferrari fans. Let's try to understand why music should change dramatically in Bahrain.
    Which Ferrari should we expect in Bahrain after the cold shower in Australia that has cooled the enthusiasm of the Cavallino fans? The SF90 is a single-seater that is making school with regard to the front aerodynamics changed due to the new rules wanted by the FIA ​​to facilitate overtaking when two cars are in the wake.

    We did not see any major overtakes at Albert Park, but the one in Melbourne was not a very representative track on the subject: before making judgments it is perhaps worth waiting for Sakhir's long straight.

    There is no doubt that the aerodynamics of the Reparto Corse (perhaps inspired by those of Alfa Romeo's Hinwil who adopted the same concept as the SF90 but also took it to the extreme) indicated the most efficient development path with the front wing that was designed for the outwash of the flows, going in continuity with the research carried out last year.




    Of course on the 2019 wing the upper flaps and the long tunnel under the profiles that channeled the air outside the front wheel with the intent to bring it further back to clean up the turbulent wake of the tire and have more efficiency towards the bottom have disappeared. and the diffuser. Note the additional profiles with a larger cord in the inner part of the wing and with an almost zero incidence as you approach the side strap, exactly the opposite of what was done by Mercedes and Red Bull Racing.

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    has a lot more of info than this , great read imo
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    Craig Scarborough:
    From Friday it was clear Ferrari’s pace was lacking and the car was distinctly less well-balanced than we saw in Barcelona testing. Slow-speed cornering and straight-line speeds were a particular problem. Ferrari’s rivals believe they went in the wrong direction with the car’s set-up, so this should be a Melbourne specific problem. Melbourne is very sensitive to mechanical front end grip and while Ferrari have made strides with this area of the car’s performance over the year it’s still very much a weak point for them.

    Was the problem, as some have claimed, the result of a ‘tapered’ front wing concept which was unable to deliver the downforce the car needed? This might be a secondary factor, but the Ferrari was OK in the faster corners which are more aero-dependant than the slower turns, which suggests sheer downforce was not the issue.

    Another curious aspect of Ferrari’s below-par Melbourne performance was its power output. The team had a few issues in testing and it is believed all the Ferrari-engined cars ran a lower power mode for reliability. This theory holds more water than most others, but the root cause of the issue may be in the energy recovery system (ERS) or combustion engine.

    It was clear the ERS was de-rating on the straights in the race, as the energy store was drained of available energy. This could be as ERS was reduced in performance for reliability reason, or that it was being overworked to offset a reduction in combustion engine performance.

    We will need to see how the chassis and power unit performs at subsequent races to see if this is a race one problem and not something more ingrained in the SF90’s make-up.

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    ^^^^^^^ with regards to Craig

    IMO, we used a low downforce set-up to make up for the "lack of speed" (saving the engine).
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    If we look at the last two seasons, we won the first two races, but still lost the championship. So, it was a good beginning, but a bad end. Maybe this year, its better to have a little bit of a wobbly start, to get everyone working, not be complacent, plus, get the guys at the factory to work even harder to get the car developed than find out in August or September that the car does not work well in street or bumpy circuits, which gives us more time to develop the car, and gives us more scope to improve. So, it might be a bad beginning but a good end? I certainly hope so. We will see. Our car is not bad, our car is good, I feel its good, last year, we had many problems, but this year, this setup was the problem. One thing really opened my eyes was few corners in Melbourne, we gained on the Mercedes, but it was not just .05, but about .1 or .15 seconds a corner. Which shows, we have a good car in fast corners. We might need to find a solution to our engine, or get the reliability better, but I think guys at the factory can do that, and its not a problem to get a new engine for a track that can enable passing.

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    Maria Mendoza (who Marchionne wanted to bring to Ferrari from FIAT after the reliability problems back in 2017) took now full responsibility for the quality control at the Ferrari racing department according to Turrini (blog). The appointment happened on 20 March.
    Hope this guy can do the lordy's work and fix up our ERS/Turbo and overheating and all the other things after the failure at Australia but it looks like it wasnt related to that

    But Turrini mentions that the appointment has nothing to do with what happened at Melbourne.
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    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/c...marko/4359176/


    Marko thinks cooling problems held Ferrari back in Australia



    Ferrari was Mercedes' most consistent challenger in 2017 and 2018, and came under scrutiny last year for its engine performance gains.

    Marko said that another factor in Ferrari's performance was an apparent loss of a previous straightline speed advantage.

    "The FIA reacted very well and closed several loopholes, or at least minimised them," he said.

    "This means that these speed peaks, which Ferrari had on the last 25% or 30% of the straights, no longer exist. That's good."
    hope its not true about straight-line speed, that would suck since we ditched the street circuit DF type of car in 2017
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    You know, sometimes, I wonder, how much Mercedes is paying Ross Brawn under the table. He was working at the team, then few years after, he is in the decision making part of F1. They introduce bans just to hinder Ferrari. Its like, they do not let anyone catch up to Mercedes. Only Ferrari was trying and they just shot that down too. So, do they want the F1 to survive? Or do they want to kill it off? Its just ridiculous that they talk about cost cutting and all this and that, but every innovation Ferrari came up with was shut down, but whatever Mercedes does is not regulated, or whatever they do is ok. Secret tire testing, huge money spending to get a whole new car for the 2nd test, its unheard of, I guess it doesnt cost money to do CFD and wind tunnel work for a whole new update on the car, essentially a B spec car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mardyrt View Post
    You know, sometimes, I wonder, how much Mercedes is paying Ross Brawn under the table. He was working at the team, then few years after, he is in the decision making part of F1. They introduce bans just to hinder Ferrari. Its like, they do not let anyone catch up to Mercedes. Only Ferrari was trying and they just shot that down too. So, do they want the F1 to survive? Or do they want to kill it off? Its just ridiculous that they talk about cost cutting and all this and that, but every innovation Ferrari came up with was shut down, but whatever Mercedes does is not regulated, or whatever they do is ok. Secret tire testing, huge money spending to get a whole new car for the 2nd test, its unheard of, I guess it doesnt cost money to do CFD and wind tunnel work for a whole new update on the car, essentially a B spec car.
    F1 has always been hyper political.... that's one of the things I was hoping to get cleaned up by Liberty Media.... I also have my suspicions that this was not the case....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    F1 has always been hyper political.... that's one of the things I was hoping to get cleaned up by Liberty Media.... I also have my suspicions that this was not the case....
    You agreeing with that post filled with nonsense?

    1. Mercedes have had loads of stuff banned or regulations changed
    2. So what he really means, he wants it okay for Ferrari to cheat and bypass the rules

    Total nonsense

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    It's all about mercedes dominating with one team being the current leader in this era then a genuine plan for rule changes budgets etc etc will be implemented and a strong case for change will be implemented but not until every known record in f1 is obliterated by mercedes.Does Ross Brawn want this era to end yes he does for what interest well I guess time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evo_spook View Post
    You agreeing with that post filled with nonsense?

    1. Mercedes have had loads of stuff banned or regulations changed
    2. So what he really means, he wants it okay for Ferrari to cheat and bypass the rules

    Total nonsense
    Ok, so tell me 3 things that FIA has banned on the Mercedes? Something with the engine? FRIC suspension? Yes, it was banned after about 3 seasons, when Ferrari kept pushing for clarification. You dont see the bias? Ferrari won the 5 years with Michael because the car was made really well, no trickery, just the car was born well and other teams were in trouble, only team that gave Ferrari a fight was McLaren and after 2000 the McLaren team didnt have a good enough car to fight for the championship except for maybe couple of seasons. That made Ferrari look very dominant. You think secret tire testing was OK? Do you think getting a head start to build an engine about 7 years ahead was ok? Do you think the "rear wheel" steering that has been going on since last year is ok?
    Also, who are you defending? Why are you applauding Mercedes for destroying the sport? Even if you are not a fan of Ferrari, you really must see how it is, unless you are totally a Mercedes fan who do not want to see it. Do you really think this type of complete domination is good? Maybe only British fans will like it, but I got news for you, there are many other nations who watch F1 and they are loosing interest. Even I didnt like when Ferrari was winning in early 2000s, it was just boring. Even in those years, McLaren with Kimi fought Ferrari, one season they came close, within a few points of winning the championship. So, the only reason Ferrari was so dominant in other season was the other teams didnt mount a challenge. Past two season, we mounted a huge challenge, but every time we got close, they found a way to blunt our challenge, through FIA lobying. Also, what about changing the tiers last season, after season was started? It helped only Mercedes, no other teams. You cant turn a blind eye to those things. If you have rules, they are rules, not to be changed as they see fit after the season has started. If you say, too bad that Ferrari didnt build a good engine, well, yea, it was too bad, and that same logic applies to Mercedes about last season, with the tires, too bad they built a bad car that eat their tiers, you have to live with it or fix it during the season, not lobby the manufacture to change the tires. Moreover, the tires are not like the engine, they did not have a multi season advantage. Also, if you call oil burning cheating, or two battery system, then you have to call fric suspension, rear wheel steering and other grey areas that Mercedes are doing are also cheating. You cant call cheating for one team then call the same type of things on another car, "technical innovation" or "pushing the envelope".

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    Quote Originally Posted by evo_spook View Post
    You agreeing with that post filled with nonsense?

    1. Mercedes have had loads of stuff banned or regulations changed
    2. So what he really means, he wants it okay for Ferrari to cheat and bypass the rules

    Total nonsense
    One more thing, changing the rules during the season is not bias? They did not have anything regarding oil burning but they added it during the season. You think its ok? Clarification in the middle of the season?? You think its ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mardyrt View Post
    One more thing, changing the rules during the season is not bias? They did not have anything regarding oil burning but they added it during the season. You think its ok? Clarification in the middle of the season?? You think its ok?
    Mclarens third brake pedal
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    Michelin tyres

    What’s new with mid season clarifications, especially as the oil burning was supposed aimed at Merc

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    Quote Originally Posted by mardyrt View Post
    Ok, so tell me 3 things that FIA has banned on the Mercedes? Something with the engine? FRIC suspension? Ferrari won the 5 years with Michael because the car was made really well, no trickery, just the car was born well and other teams were in trouble, only team that gave Ferrari a fight was McLaren and after 2000 the McLaren team didnt have a good enough car to fight for the championship except for maybe couple of seasons. That made Ferrari look very dominant. You think secret tire testing was OK? Do you think getting a head start to build an engine about 7 years ahead was ok? D
    Also, who are you defending? Why are you applauding Mercedes for destroying the sport? Even if you are not a fan of Ferrari, you really must see how it is, unless you are totally a Mercedes fan who do not want to see it. Do you really think this type of complete domination is good? Maybe only British fans will like it, but I got news for you, there are many other nations who watch F1 and they are loosing interest. Even I didnt like when Ferrari was winning in early 2000s, it was just boring. Even in those years, McLaren with Kimi fought Ferrari, one season they came close, within a few points of winning the championship. So, the only reason Ferrari was so dominant in other season was the other teams didnt mount a challenge. Past two season, we mounted a huge challenge, but every time we got close, they found a way to blunt our challenge, through FIA lobying. Also, what about changing the tiers last season, after season was started? It helped only Mercedes, no other teams. You cant turn a blind eye to those things. If you have rules, they are rules, not to be changed as they see fit after the season has started. If you say, too bad that Ferrari didnt build a good engine, well, yea, it was too bad, and that same logic applies to Mercedes about last season, with the tires, too bad they built a bad car that eat their tiers, you have to live with it or fix it during the season, not lobby the manufacture to change the tires. Moreover, the tires are not like the engine, they did not have a multi season advantage. Also, if you call oil burning cheating, or two battery system, then you have to call fric suspension, rear wheel steering and other grey areas that Mercedes are doing are also cheating. You cant call cheating for one team then call the same type of things on another car, "technical innovation" or "pushing the envelope".
    What I am doing is out calling complete and utter biased nonsense like you have written

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    Ferrari engine was rock solid last year.

    I find it strange that all Ferrari teams had problems during testing and both Seb and Leclerc had it in Australia and Bahrain.

    It is said that FIA made many clarifications during the winter regarding the engine.

    Maybe some ideas was built deep into the Ferrari concept that was ok during 2014-2018 but not any longer.

    Have anyone heard rumours about that?

    They have not forgotten how to build an engine during the winter so it gotta be something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evo_spook View Post
    You agreeing with that post filled with nonsense?

    1. Mercedes have had loads of stuff banned or regulations changed
    2. So what he really means, he wants it okay for Ferrari to cheat and bypass the rules

    Total nonsense
    F1 has always been political mate... i'm not a conspiracy guy, but everyone said FIFA wasn't corrupt either, until it was found out that it was...
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    With all the great driving Charles accomplished in Bah rain could it be he would have won if he had a Honda engine ?

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    does anyone have a list of front vs rear limited circuits on the calendar?

    Shanghai is the most front limited on the calendar.

    That being said, Spain is rather front limited as well, and Ferrari showed well there in testing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavallino View Post
    does anyone have a list of front vs rear limited circuits on the calendar?

    Shanghai is the most front limited on the calendar.

    That being said, Spain is rather front limited as well, and Ferrari showed well there in testing.
    maybe we only showed well there as the Mercs were BIG TIME SANDBAGGING....hence we thought that we looked good
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    bang on mate!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    maybe we only showed well there as the Mercs were BIG TIME SANDBAGGING....hence we thought that we looked good
    i agree with that. and that means we dug ourselves quite a hole.


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    Mate Im sorry but your a turkey if you believe that it is biased nonsense , they MERC had a 7 year head start to build an engine 7 YEARS where no body else had even known then they made sure they lobbied the changes towards them selves otherwise they wouldn't join in , you may think its utter biased nonsense but do you think this is FAIR ?

    Quote Originally Posted by evo_spook View Post
    What I am doing is out calling complete and utter biased nonsense like you have written

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavallino View Post
    does anyone have a list of front vs rear limited circuits on the calendar?

    Shanghai is the most front limited on the calendar.

    That being said, Spain is rather front limited as well, and Ferrari showed well there in testing.
    Spain is rear-traction limited, rear tyres takes all the beating. Teams setup the cars for a bit more understeer, to protect the rear tyres. I think Monaco is the next front-limited track, but it is also quite unique, I don't think Monaco would be as bad as China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    Spain is rear-traction limited, rear tyres takes all the beating. Teams setup the cars for a bit more understeer, to protect the rear tyres. I think Monaco is the next front-limited track, but it is also quite unique, I don't think Monaco would be as bad as China.
    In my opinion we could be strong with circuits with medium-fast corners and some long areas with full throttle. Barcelona we could be good, Silverstone, Austria, maybe Canada (as it is a pure engine track). Hope we strike back. Baku is a unknown. Tight castle section could be a problem.

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    Can anyone actually confirm that Merc have some kind of rear-wheel steering, which I thought was banned. It's strange how their car seems to work on any circuit without too much compromise. And does the SF90 need a complete overhaul already? That front wing looks outwash design looks like it was a misjudgement too, so I don't fancy our chances without serious upgrades sooner rather than later. Easier said than done, and our history of upgrades isn't usually very successful. So what next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisepie View Post
    Can anyone actually confirm that Merc have some kind of rear-wheel steering, which I thought was banned. It's strange how their car seems to work on any circuit without too much compromise. And does the SF90 need a complete overhaul already? That front wing looks outwash design looks like it was a misjudgement too, so I don't fancy our chances without serious upgrades sooner rather than later. Easier said than done, and our history of upgrades isn't usually very successful. So what next?
    start working on 2020 contender......
    ...the new SF90 in the MATTE RED, to me it looks amazing. Let's hope it's gonna be as FAST as it looks.


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    Easier said than done, and our history of upgrades isn't usually very successful. So what next
    If I'm correct they already reverted to older electronics this weekend,all the teams bring new front/rear wings and Ferrari only older electronics.

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    We have a low drag concept so long straights favour us.
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    so will the SF90 challenge in Baku? thoughts?

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