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    Problem with Hydraulic suspension....!!

    Ferrari's hydraulic suspension debuted after the summer break in 2018.
    For 2021, the FIA wants to ban the hydraulic suspension. Most teams are against the ban, except for one team: Ferrari. : AMus
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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
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    Problem with Hydraulic suspension....!!

    Ferrari's hydraulic suspension debuted after the summer break in 2018.
    For 2021, the FIA wants to ban the hydraulic suspension. Most teams are against the ban, except for one team: Ferrari. : AMus
    They're using hydraulic actuators.

    Vettel says the suspension is doing its job. The car lacks downforce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mardyrt View Post
    If its really tires, you would see it all through the lap, not just in slow corners. It is not aero either, as it would show around the whole lap, even in Fast sections we would loose. Their car is very fast in turning and carrying a lot of speed to the apex. If it is tires, were they blind from last year? When Mercedes was doing so well in those tires, Ferrari should have taken not and at least try to work around it. Not just play dead and think all is ok, we can find away and not do anything, not even change the suspension, it was same front end as last year, no major changes. Did you see the moveable suspension video? That helps them to turn the car to the apex much faster by moving the tires toward the rotating axis of the car. Which helps to translate the rear braking and get better turn out of it.
    You just contradicted yourself. If Ferrari's suspension is the same as last year and they had good grip last year then what changed this year? 1 guess. Yes!! The Tires!!! Plus the lack of downforce and you get poor slow speed traction. Mystery solved. Mercs worked to get loads of downforce and used their front suspension to work the tires... ergo a good turning car.

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    HAAS is getting a new rear suspension at the Canadian GP. Springs and dampers are replaced by hydraulic elements that simultaneously adjust the ground clearance depending on the driving situation. Ferrari supplies the parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    They're using hydraulic actuators.

    Vettel says the suspension is doing its job. The car lacks downforce.
    mechanical grip?
    When tyres gets overheated they blister & slide all around.
    So it's down to Wheel rims? if that's the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    AMuS

    HAAS is getting a new rear suspension at the Canadian GP. Springs and dampers are replaced by hydraulic elements that simultaneously adjust the ground clearance depending on the driving situation. Ferrari supplies the parts.
    So is Haas the guineapig for testing a new rear suspension for Ferrari? See if it does wonders and then they’ll adapt it on their car?

    But wasn’t our rear suspension OK’ish? I thought we have issues with our front suspension being pretty much unchanged from the SF71H, NO?
    ...the new SF90 in the MATTE RED, to me it looks amazing. Let's hope it's gonna be as FAST as it looks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    So is Haas the guineapig for testing a new rear suspension for Ferrari? See if it does wonders and then they’ll adapt it on their car?

    But wasn’t our rear suspension OK’ish? I thought we have issues with our front suspension being pretty much unchanged from the SF71H, NO?
    No, Ferrari had implemented its hydraulic suspension last year. So has is in the back foot in receiving help from Ferrari in this suspension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
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    My guess it's the shave of the tires(.4mm)....the new ones for 2019. Ferrari cannot get them to their operating window. Seb stated that it's not the hydraulic suspension but that the car needs more downforce in another article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    I hear ya brotha....at least you’re not going to Montreal like I am.
    If I would have known back in Feb when I bought my tickets that this years Ferrari is going to be a MULE, I would have never gotten tickets....but all the hype after winter testing kind of assured me that we may actually have a good car this year....Boy was I WRONG....lol
    Well... I was in the Monaco last week. EEh... At least the place was freaking magnificent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    My guess it's the shave of the tires(.4mm)....the new ones for 2019. Ferrari cannot get them to their operating window. Seb stated that it's not the hydraulic suspension but that the car needs more downforce in another article.
    One interesting thing about the tyres... In Monaco GP, Vettels tyres looked the best out of the top 4. Hamilton destroyed his mediums, but even the others running on hards had damage on them. Sebs looked brand new till the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    One interesting thing about the tyres... In Monaco GP, Vettels tyres looked the best out of the top 4. Hamilton destroyed his mediums, but even the others running on hards had damage on them. Sebs looked brand new till the end.
    yeah that was weird and can't really understand as to WHY.....if the sf90 is lacking downforce, then one would think that the car would slide around more, hence wearing them or blistering them faster comapred to the likes or Merc or rebull which tend to have more downforce or at least that's what the critics are saying...

    something is NOT right with our car, weather be less mechanical grip or even front suspension related that's NOT enabling us to bring the tires in more in that narrow window of operation and keep it there

    i'm curious as to what Ferrari will bring in terms or modifications to the next races, up until or after the summer break in order to find more grip out of the tires
    ...the new SF90 in the MATTE RED, to me it looks amazing. Let's hope it's gonna be as FAST as it looks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    Well... I was in the Monaco last week. EEh... At least the place was freaking magnificent!
    Can't wait to see pics...maybe??

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    One interesting thing about the tyres... In Monaco GP, Vettels tyres looked the best out of the top 4. Hamilton destroyed his mediums, but even the others running on hards had damage on them. Sebs looked brand new till the end.
    Yes they were re: Seb's tires. Remember though, his car was overheating so he had to scale back some. Lewis had Max pressuring him throughout the race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    One interesting thing about the tyres... In Monaco GP, Vettels tyres looked the best out of the top 4. Hamilton destroyed his mediums, but even the others running on hards had damage on them. Sebs looked brand new till the end.
    Ham was pushing or mad max was pushing ham.
    Vettel was not, he was told lift n coast as tyres are getting overheated when he pushes too much.
    If u see he’s always with in 1-3sec window of mad max & leader through out the race.
    Bottas too was pushing a lap n settling down for another.

    So tyres on vettel’s & bottas car looked like new.
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    Ferrari: Vettel and Leclerc on the simulator to get out of the SF90 crisis together

    The two Cavallino titular pilots present in Maranello for the launch of the SF90 Stradale used the opportunity to both contribute to the development of solutions for the Canadian GP with a simulator session from which very interesting indications emerged.

    They were both in Maranello for the launch of the SF90 Stradale, the first Ferrari hybrid in the history of the Cavallino capable of a thousand horses, just like the Formula 1 power unit. We are talking about Sebastian Vettel and Charles Leclerc the two Scuderia drivers.

    So far there is nothing strange: taking the name of the car that is running the GP for the last long-awaited supercar, Ferrari has wanted to point out what and how much the technology transfer from F1 to the cars of the series could be, so the presence of the pilots line-up was perfectly in line with the launch of the last Rossa.

    The interesting aspect is, instead, that both Sebastian Vettel and Charles Leclerc have then alternated in the Ferrari simulator working hard for the resolution of the configuration with which the SF90 will have to run in Canada, bearing in mind that the one in Montreal should be a favorable track to the characteristics of the Maranello machine, capable of excellent top speeds thanks to good aerodynamic efficiency at the expense of the downforce.

    The two drivers were able to test the necessary mid-load aerodynamic package on the Notre Dame circuit on the "spider" and dedicated part of the session to understanding how to trigger the warm-up of the C3, C4, C5 tires, ie the same compounds more soft that have already been used in Monte Carlo.

    The SF90 has its own Achilles heel precisely because it fails to make the tires work in the temperature window provided by Pirelli and according to the rumors various trim solutions with different heights and settings would have been "tried".

    All this to say that in the heart of the Racing Department the controversies of the last few days have not shaken the Scuderia: Sebastian Vettel perfectly knows that the Principality's second place is a result of situations, because the Red in pure performance was inferior also to the Red Bull, while Charles Leclerc has erased from memory the disastrous Saturday of Monte Carlo that ruined his weekend in the home race, to focus on Montreal.

    The presence of the two pilots in the simulator is proof of how they want to get out of the difficulties in Maranello as a group, in the belief that a victory could unlock a situation, not only technical but also psychological, very difficult ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Ferrari: Vettel and Leclerc on the simulator to get out of the SF90 crisis together

    The two Cavallino titular pilots present in Maranello for the launch of the SF90 Stradale used the opportunity to both contribute to the development of solutions for the Canadian GP with a simulator session from which very interesting indications emerged.

    They were both in Maranello for the launch of the SF90 Stradale, the first Ferrari hybrid in the history of the Cavallino capable of a thousand horses, just like the Formula 1 power unit. We are talking about Sebastian Vettel and Charles Leclerc the two Scuderia drivers.

    So far there is nothing strange: taking the name of the car that is running the GP for the last long-awaited supercar, Ferrari has wanted to point out what and how much the technology transfer from F1 to the cars of the series could be, so the presence of the pilots line-up was perfectly in line with the launch of the last Rossa.

    The interesting aspect is, instead, that both Sebastian Vettel and Charles Leclerc have then alternated in the Ferrari simulator working hard for the resolution of the configuration with which the SF90 will have to run in Canada, bearing in mind that the one in Montreal should be a favorable track to the characteristics of the Maranello machine, capable of excellent top speeds thanks to good aerodynamic efficiency at the expense of the downforce.

    The two drivers were able to test the necessary mid-load aerodynamic package on the Notre Dame circuit on the "spider" and dedicated part of the session to understanding how to trigger the warm-up of the C3, C4, C5 tires, ie the same compounds more soft that have already been used in Monte Carlo.

    The SF90 has its own Achilles heel precisely because it fails to make the tires work in the temperature window provided by Pirelli and according to the rumors various trim solutions with different heights and settings would have been "tried".

    All this to say that in the heart of the Racing Department the controversies of the last few days have not shaken the Scuderia: Sebastian Vettel perfectly knows that the Principality's second place is a result of situations, because the Red in pure performance was inferior also to the Red Bull, while Charles Leclerc has erased from memory the disastrous Saturday of Monte Carlo that ruined his weekend in the home race, to focus on Montreal.

    The presence of the two pilots in the simulator is proof of how they want to get out of the difficulties in Maranello as a group, in the belief that a victory could unlock a situation, not only technical but also psychological, very difficult ...

    https://translate.google.com/transla...9/&prev=search
    If this was Merc's issue they would have already conducted on track testing with the tyres and already submitted a request to Pirelli to alter the compounds to suit their needs.

    Its good to see the team and drivers pushing for solutions. I just don't understand how Ferrari didn't see this issue in winter testing. I hope they can figure out a solution soon to keep the season interesting for us fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrari1.8t View Post
    If this was Merc's issue they would have already conducted on track testing with the tyres and already submitted a request to Pirelli to alter the compounds to suit their needs.

    Its good to see the team and drivers pushing for solutions. I just don't understand how Ferrari didn't see this issue in winter testing. I hope they can figure out a solution soon to keep the season interesting for us fans.
    Ferrari were in a illusion that they are on top of their car & others are behind them.
    Come Aus they got caught.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Bob View Post
    You just contradicted yourself. If Ferrari's suspension is the same as last year and they had good grip last year then what changed this year? 1 guess. Yes!! The Tires!!! Plus the lack of downforce and you get poor slow speed traction. Mystery solved. Mercs worked to get loads of downforce and used their front suspension to work the tires... ergo a good turning car.
    The tiers has some effect, but the tiers are the same for everyone. Red Bulls have the same deficit to Mercedes as US. It is the suspension setup they have that are giving them the edge. We are very close, almost the same in S1 and S2 in Barcelona. We lost a huge amount in S3. So, that is the difference we have. If it is really the tires, then, our team is really is stupid, and incompetent to waste a few grand prix worth of Info in those tiers, and data on those tiers last year. I say its the suspenion because I want to give them the credit that they are not as stupid as it would be if it was the tiers. They get huge speed into the corners. We didnt chnage our suspension setup in a huge way it what I ment to say, maybe little geometry changes, but not like what Mercedes did. We need to do something different.

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    Ferrari: for France a new front wing will be loyal to the outwash

    The Cavallino team is confident that the current unloaded configuration can be competitive in Canada, while for the next race at Paul Ricard the expected new arrivals should increase which should increase the aerodynamic downforce.
    There were those who wanted to throw away the 2019 season to dedicate body and soul to next year's single-seater project, but Mattia Binotto does not want to give up the idea that the SF90 is not a winning car.

    In the Racing Department they are working hard to bring to the Paul Ricard a new front wing that is able to generate more downforce, without betraying the outwash philosophy.

    David Sanchez, head of the Cavallino's aerodynamics, has no intention of giving up the concept of vortices that are oriented outside the front wheels, but has the task of designing a medium-load front wing for the French GP that is in able to increase the Redforce downforce.

    At Maranello they are ready to give up a few kilometers of top speed to improve the SF90's performance in slow corners where Ferrari has shown the greatest limits. Both in Spain in the infamous T3 and in Monte Carlo it was clear how much the Rossa is lacking in vertical thrust to exploit Pirelli tires in the correct window of use.

    Those who also expected an update of the front suspension will be disappointed: there is no doubt that the scheme adopted on the Ferrari is too traditional, but the news we will see only on the car in 2020, because the timing would not have allowed to adopt a new scheme in France seen that it would have been necessary to redo the entire front with exorbitant costs.

    The Cavallino team, therefore, will try to straighten out the season that so far has been very disappointing: Enrico Cardile, coordinator of the SF90 project, expects to draw useful results in Canada on a stop-and-go track that, at least on paper, should adapt to the characteristics of the Rossa.

    Sebastian Vettel and Charles Leclerc have deliberated on the simulator the solutions for Montreal, confirming a little optimism for the trip to North America where the SF90 should exploit its features, even if Mercedes will debut the engine 2 which will be capable of over 1,020 horses, with a substantial increase in power, but without affecting reliability ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mardyrt View Post
    The tiers has some effect, but the tiers are the same for everyone. Red Bulls have the same deficit to Mercedes as US. It is the suspension setup they have that are giving them the edge. We are very close, almost the same in S1 and S2 in Barcelona. We lost a huge amount in S3. So, that is the difference we have. If it is really the tires, then, our team is really is stupid, and incompetent to waste a few grand prix worth of Info in those tiers, and data on those tiers last year. I say its the suspenion because I want to give them the credit that they are not as stupid as it would be if it was the tiers. They get huge speed into the corners. We didnt chnage our suspension setup in a huge way it what I ment to say, maybe little geometry changes, but not like what Mercedes did. We need to do something different.
    Maybe stupid Ferrari should invest in rear wheel steering? Obviously they've been caught out by the tires like quite a few other teams, notably Haas and Racing Point. Even Red Bull are having trouble keeping them in the optimal range. Why is it so hard to believe that tires can be such a big problem? The only real option to heat the tires up better at this stage is more front downforce or brake heat. Mercs were having problems with the tires big time in 2018 and came up with it's new rear rims. Maybe Ferrari can do something with it's front rims or brake ducts to put more heat into the tires. It's definitely a tire problem.

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    Binotto is the worst boss of Ferrari since the early 90s. The same chaos prevails then and no one has any idea how to control it. It resembles the 1991 season when after the very good 1990 when Ferrari really had the best car, and a year later it would be far behind.

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    "Ferrari not expecting "significant" F1 improvements in near future"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Harley View Post
    "Ferrari not expecting "significant" F1 improvements in near future"

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...in-near-future
    so, SEASON OVER THEN......oh well, there's always 2020
    ...the new SF90 in the MATTE RED, to me it looks amazing. Let's hope it's gonna be as FAST as it looks.


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    A champion driver like vetal deserves a champion team.Iam sorry guys Ferrari have just not delivered there part of the deal.They lure top drivers and promise a lot but fail.I can understand sebs frustration Ferrari have contributed greatly to his soul destroying adventure at Ferrari.Ferrari need to really get there act together because no champion driver wants the pressure that Ferrari provide with there structure in a growth faze.Ferrari can be great again but the hit and miss results for many years now has seen the very best of drivers sercumb to the pressure of disappointment.

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    AND not only we are incapable to find a solution but also Merc arrives in Canada with a new pu that probably be greater then our spec2 !!!! Everything look to go from bad to worse !!!!
    https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/me...ciaio/4426938/
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    Quote Originally Posted by PURE PASSION View Post
    AND not only we are incapable to find a solution but also Merc arrives in Canada with a new pu that probably be greater then our spec2 !!!! Everything look to go from bad to worse !!!!
    https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/me...ciaio/4426938/
    yup totally agree......Ferrari will prolly gonna be lapped by the Merc cars....and the worst part of it, i'll be there to witness it......
    ...the new SF90 in the MATTE RED, to me it looks amazing. Let's hope it's gonna be as FAST as it looks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PURE PASSION View Post
    AND not only we are incapable to find a solution but also Merc arrives in Canada with a new pu that probably be greater then our spec2 !!!! Everything look to go from bad to worse !!!!
    https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/me...ciaio/4426938/
    ha, ha....so reading that article you just posted, the Merc seems to have bi-alloy steel pistons....where have we heard that before??? though the Ferrari was gonna introduce something like that, 3D printed Steel pistons from like 2 years ago....never seen an official article news that ferrari have introduced something like that.....now all of a sudden we're hearing that the merc has somehing like this in their spec 2 engine?????

    talk about pouring some more salt on the our wounds.....i admire them, a true CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING TEAM.....unlike Ferrari, bunch of sitting DUCKS...
    ...the new SF90 in the MATTE RED, to me it looks amazing. Let's hope it's gonna be as FAST as it looks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    ha, ha....so reading that article you just posted, the Merc seems to have bi-alloy steel pistons....where have we heard that before??? though the Ferrari was gonna introduce something like that, 3D printed Steel pistons from like 2 years ago....never seen an official article news that ferrari have introduced something like that.....now all of a sudden we're hearing that the merc has somehing like this in their spec 2 engine?????

    talk about pouring some more salt on the our wounds.....i admire them, a true CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING TEAM.....unlike Ferrari, bunch of sitting DUCKS...
    My thoughts exactly.
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    Our beloved team... what happened to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    Our beloved team... what happened to it
    Sadly, when Sergio passed away, may he RIP, so did our team....it seems they are totally lost, and the new CEO/president needs to grow a pair....too soft for my liking
    ...the new SF90 in the MATTE RED, to me it looks amazing. Let's hope it's gonna be as FAST as it looks.


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