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    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    So the next race is Sinagpore, a track which is not suited to SF90's characteristics. Few plus point for us:

    1. It is a bumpy track, and Mercedes run their car very stiff at the front. So they may struggle a bit under breaking.
    2. It is a stop and go track with plenty of slow speed corners, but they are not long flowing corners, like S3 Hungary or S3 Spain. So we should be a bit closer.

    Bad points:

    1. Not a power sensitive circuit plus downforce is key here. And we all know our car is not that good at high-downforce department.
    2. Pretty much rare-limited, any our car chews its rare tyres more than the Mercedes/Red Bull. So even if the qualifying pace looks, race pace is going to be horrible.

    So without any major upgrades, Ferrari's is going to struggle here. Hopefully Ferrari will bring a major both aero + mechanical upgrade here.
    The temperatures should be in our favour as well.

    I would put one of our drivers onto hard tyres and just try to play for the safety car. The other one can try to compete on pace. But I don't see us winning Singapore without some sort of strategy.


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    The main strategy will be and is to let Charles race , let him fight for pole and when up front he will be the man to win. Hopefully tires can be correctly worked out. It's Ferrari he's driving for. I hope Bottas can confuse the rest of the top drivers and help out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brembo View Post
    The main strategy will be and is to let Charles race , let him fight for pole and when up front he will be the man to win. Hopefully tires can be correctly worked out. It's Ferrari he's driving for. I hope Bottas can confuse the rest of the top drivers and help out.
    I completely agree. If you're going to play games with one of your drivers, it will obviously be your #2, which at the moment is Vettel.

    I wouldn't want to mess with Leclerc. I want him to fight it out as optimally as possible. The boy is riding high right now, and he has the speed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavallino View Post
    I completely agree. If you're going to play games with one of your drivers, it will obviously be your #2, which at the moment is Vettel.

    I wouldn't want to mess with Leclerc. I want him to fight it out as optimally as possible. The boy is riding high right now, and he has the speed.
    If Seb winds up fighting in the mid field the rest of the season against the competition, he will be ready and able next season to be a top contender again. Crashing not necessary. I believe he had it too easy @ R Bull and that hurt him as far as experience out of being up front . Charles fighting off Merc last race is what driving great is all about. Driver, not just car.

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    Canada vettel drove the best keeping merc behind. Unfortunately he got penalty.
    Leclerc drove the same in Monza. Instead of penalty he got White & black flag. That’s the only difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    Canada vettel drove the best keeping merc behind. Unfortunately he got penalty.
    Leclerc drove the same in Monza. Instead of penalty he got White & black flag. Thatís the only difference.
    Funny I was thinking the same thing. For others Charles did it all by his own. Until... he start making mistakes. Wait a second... lest bring Lewis and Alonso and then they can drive my grandmothers car because they can better then anybody. Hahahaha! People need to look there self on the miror fist


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    Quote Originally Posted by 19000rpmF-2004 View Post
    Funny I was thinking the same thing. For others Charles did it all by his own. Until... he start making mistakes. Wait a second... lest bring Lewis and Alonso and then they can drive my grandmothers car because they can better then anybody. Hahahaha! People need to look there self on the miror fist
    The mirror shows : Charles with mistakes and all, with, 2 wins, 7 podiums, 4 poles, 2 fastest laps, 13 pts. ahead of Seb , he's in 4th pl. just 3 pts. behind M in 3rd. Seb as of now has Zero wins. But yes, there's still plenty of 2019 left for him to come alive. There's no list of drivers who never make mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    Canada vettel drove the best keeping merc behind. Unfortunately he got penalty.
    Leclerc drove the same in Monza. Instead of penalty he got White & black flag. That’s the only difference.
    Well you forgot the most important part: "One goes off track and joined the track recklessly and almost took out Hamilton", "Other one stayed on track and defended his inside line, there was no off track incursion"

    So there is big difference between the two incidents.

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    IMO I think in Monza it is LH strategy try to overtake and apply late brake (hard brake) before the chicane (he knows it is impossible to overtake in a fast corner unless its a slow corner), if you are in front you will apply soft brake early (to save tyre) so that you have a clean turn in the chicane, but what LH doing is a trick or cheat, push his car (to let the steward know im overtaking this guy) and late brake before the chicane (damaging your tyre) even he knows there's a chicane ahead so that the driver in front of him will be penalized for not giving him enough room to operate. I don't know if my assumption is correct, LH dirty strategy.
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    Hammy squeezed Vettel like crazy in that chicane last year so he literally should be the last one to complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brembo View Post
    The mirror shows : Charles with mistakes and all, with, 2 wins, 7 podiums, 4 poles, 2 fastest laps, 13 pts. ahead of Seb , he's in 4th pl. just 3 pts. behind M in 3rd. Seb as of now has Zero wins. But yes, there's still plenty of 2019 left for him to come alive. There's no list of drivers who never make mistakes.
    Iím not talking about wonder kid mirror


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    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    Well you forgot the most important part: "One goes off track and joined the track recklessly and almost took out Hamilton", "Other one stayed on track and defended his inside line, there was no off track incursion"

    So there is big difference between the two incidents.
    Vettel’s Only mistake in that Canada GP is the which you highlighted it.
    Look at Monza GP, Lec had couple of them (that includes going off the track & joined fortunately there was no immediate corner there else it similar incident to Canada GP), Lewis too had couple of them lost a position too.
    That’s how it goes in the sport, one gains & other looses.

    It seems that only vettel mistake is highlighted more that’s it. Nothing more to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    Vettel’s Only mistake in that Canada GP is the which you highlighted it.
    Look at Monza GP, Lec had couple of them (that includes going off the track & joined fortunately there was no immediate corner there else it similar incident to Canada GP), Lewis too had couple of them lost a position too.
    That’s how it goes in the sport, one gains & other looses.

    It seems that only vettel mistake is highlighted more that’s it. Nothing more to say.
    Again how is it similar? Vettel goes off track and on to the grass, joined the track recklessly with Hamilton on his side and almost pushed him on to the wall. Leclerc on the other hand had already committed the corner, he locked up his front left when he was turning, not under breaking. And he joined the track safely with Hamilton still behind. And unlike Monza, where others also locked up and gone off track at turn 1, Vettel was the only one to go off-track at turn 3 in Canada, so another big difference.

    And of course it's going to be highlighted. Vettel lost the victory due to his off-track incursion and the penalty, so it was a big deal. And it's funny to see that you highlighted Leclerc's one lock up and while ignoring Vettel's spin, yet another crucial mistake. But I guess to you, it wasn't a such big deal like his mistake in Canada.

    Your agenda is pretty clear so yeah, there's nothing left to discuss.

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    All drivers make mistakes but Charles and H and M win races anyway. Seb has to get on the wagon with them. Mistakes will be forgiven. Wins wipe out the errors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    Again how is it similar? Vettel goes off track and on to the grass, joined the track recklessly with Hamilton on his side and almost pushed him on to the wall. Leclerc on the other hand had already committed the corner, he locked up his front left when he was turning, not under breaking. And he joined the track safely with Hamilton still behind. And unlike Monza, where others also locked up and gone off track at turn 1, Vettel was the only one to go off-track at turn 3 in Canada, so another big difference.

    And of course it's going to be highlighted. Vettel lost the victory due to his off-track incursion and the penalty, so it was a big deal. And it's funny to see that you highlighted Leclerc's one lock up and while ignoring Vettel's spin, yet another crucial mistake. But I guess to you, it wasn't a such big deal like his mistake in Canada.

    Your agenda is pretty clear so yeah, there's nothing left to discuss.
    I know your agenda clearly. That’s why don’t want to discuss.
    For you max is a great driver & future star who does reckless driving. When he makes mistakes it doesn’t count, there itself got you. I love ferrari & their current drivers. I support them whether it’s good or bad. Not just like you & ur biased stuff.
    Don’t wanna discuss with you on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    I know your agenda clearly. That’s why don’t want to discuss.
    For you max is a great driver & future star who does reckless driving. When he makes mistakes it doesn’t count, there itself got you. I love ferrari & their current drivers. I support them whether it’s good or bad. Not just like you & ur biased stuff.
    Don’t wanna discuss with you on this.
    What the!? We were discussing about Vettel's so called "insignificant" mistakes vs Lerclerc's so called "costly" ones (well according to you anyway), there was no mention of Max.

    So why mention Max? well I know why, because you have nothing to back up your claim. And like a usual troll, you'll just ignore the context when you know you're full of ****, and move the goalpost to something else. Unlike you buddy, I am not obsessed with Max. Having nightmares about Max are you? he comes to your dreams full of rainbows and unicorns says 'boo', and all of a sudden you wake up full of fright and terror? it seems so.

    And doesn't matter what you or I think about Max. Ex and current F1 drivers, including WDC's, already consider Max to be the future star and WDC. And I am pretty sure members of F1 fanbase with working eye sight and functioning brain cells also agree with their well educated opinion. And please, it's just simply hilarious to compare Max and Vettel's driving. And amount mistakes Vettel made over the past year or two vs Max....yeah, I am sure Maldonado would be proud of Vettel.

    And I don't really care about your **** and bull story about Ferrari and it's drivers. If you really were a Ferrari fan you would be pretty annoyed with Vettel and amount of points he has costed Ferrari with his F1 ballet solo's. This is the guy who costed Ferrari both the 2017 and 2018 championships, even when he had the car and the whole team behind him, plus a teamamte like Raikkonen. Vettel lost the 2017 championship by 46 points, and the most frustrating thing was, he was only 3 points behind Hamilton before Singapore. But thanks to his boneheaded move he came away from that race with 0 points, and costed Ferrari even more WCC points. And let's not waste time with his 2018 efforts....it was unreal, and I don't think I ever saw one driver making that many mistakes.

    And now Vettel is only 3 penalty points away from a race ban. Let's just hope that your idol doesn't do anything reckless and embarrass himself even more with a race ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    What the!? We were discussing about Vettel's so called "insignificant" mistakes vs Lerclerc's so called "costly" ones (well according to you anyway), there was no mention of Max. So why mention him?

    Well I know why, because you have nothing to back up your claim. And like a usual troll, you'll just ignore the context when you know you're full of ****, and move the goalpost to something else. Unlike you buddy, I am not obsessed with Max. Having nightmares about Max are you? he comes to your dreams full of rainbows and unicorns says 'boo', and all of a sudden you wake up full of fright and terror? it seems so.

    And doesn't matter what your or I think about Max. Ex and current F1 drivers, including WDC's, already consider Max to be the future star and WDC. And I am pretty sure members of F1 fanbase with working eye sight and functioning brain cells also agree with their well educated opinion. And please, it's just simply hilarious to compare Max and Vettel's driving. And amount mistakes Vettel made over the past year or two vs Max....yeah, I am sure Maldonado would be proud of Vettel.

    And I don't really care about your **** and bull story about Ferrari and it's drivers. If you really were a Ferrari fan you would be pretty annoyed with Vettel and amount of point he has costed Ferrari with his F1 ballet solo's. This is the guy who costed Ferrari both the 2017 and 2018 championships, even when he had the car and the whole team behind him, plus a teamamte like Raikkonen. Vettel lost the 2017 championship by 46 points, and the most frustrating thing was, he was only 3 points behind Hamilton before Singapore. But thanks to his boneheaded move he came away from that race with 0 points, and costed Ferrari even more WCC points. And let's not waste time with his 2018 efforts....it was unreal, and I don't think I ever saw one driver making that many mistakes.

    And now Vettel is only 3 penalty points away from a race ban. Let's just hope that your idol doesn't do anything reckless and embarrass himself even more with a race ban.
    It’s your mentality/thinking or I can say hatred on vettel explains your position.
    What I mentioned earlier both the incidents are of similarities & you are explaining the outcome how funny.
    When vettel went off, there was a grass with some moisture over there n joined the track. So according to you driver should have control .... another funny statement.
    When Lec went off, there were slow sausage kerbs n joined back on track. If there was the same corner over there, it would have been different situation.

    Anyways I’m pointing out the similarities of incidents not the drivers.
    2017 championship ??? Really .
    race ban ?? Let him move out of ferrari after 2020 too, I don’t care. Even I called over here to consider Norris. But it seems still that hatred on vettel is on ur head. Move on.
    I didn’t like vettel during RB days, I didn’t like Alonso during Renault days...when they joined Ferrari only. I started to like them.
    Not like you, when one of our driver makes mistakes coming here n just blasting out with hatredness.

    You were the one who was looking for max-Lec pair in ferrari
    You deemed both are future stars. Yes I agree. But if when one thrashes out the other, where is your thesis of future star ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brembo View Post
    All drivers make mistakes but Charles and H and M win races anyway. Seb has to get on the wagon with them. Mistakes will be forgiven. Wins wipe out the errors.
    But do errors wipe out excuses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    It’s your mentality/thinking or I can say hatred on vettel explains your position.
    What I mentioned earlier both the incidents are of similarities & you are explaining the outcome how funny.
    When vettel went off, there was a grass with some moisture over there n joined the track. So according to you driver should have control .... another funny statement.
    When Lec went off, there were slow sausage kerbs n joined back on track. If there was the same corner over there, it would have been different situation.

    Anyways I’m pointing out the similarities of incidents not the drivers.
    2017 championship ??? Really .
    race ban ?? Let him move out of ferrari after 2020 too, I don’t care. Even I called over here to consider Norris. But it seems still that hatred on vettel is on ur head. Move on.
    I didn’t like vettel during RB days, I didn’t like Alonso during Renault days...when they joined Ferrari only. I started to like them.
    Not like you, when one of our driver makes mistakes coming here n just blasting out with hatredness.
    Only a fan with blind love for his/her idol would call criticism 'hatred'. Well...it's not like I'm saying anything bad about Vettel's personal life or wishing his family misery. Vettel is making mistakes after mistakes, either crashing with somebody or spinning, and getting criticized right fully. See there's no hateredness...or whatever you call it.

    And you on the other hand is obsessed with Max. The amount of hatred you have for that young fella is pretty unhealthy...so much so that you couldn't stop yourself from mentioning him in your post, even when there was no mentioning of him by me.

    And why you're laughing about Vettel's potential race ban? it's not a laughing matter you know! One major incident with somebody and boom..race ban.

    You were the one who was looking for max-Lec pair in ferrari
    You deemed both are future stars. Yes I agree. But if when one thrashes out the other, where is your thesis of future star ???
    And the unhealthy obsession with Max continues. Again, there was no mention of Max, let alone Lec-Max pairing in Ferrari.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    Only a fan with blind love for his/her idol would call criticism 'hatred'. Well...it's not like I'm saying anything bad about Vettel's personal life or wishing his family misery. Vettel is making mistakes after mistakes, either crashing with somebody or spinning, and getting criticized right fully. See there's no hateredness...or whatever you call it.

    And you on the other hand is obsessed with Max. The amount of hatred you have for that young fella is pretty unhealthy...so much so that you couldn't stop yourself from mentioning him in your post, even when there was no mentioning of him by me.

    And why you're laughing about Vettel's potential race ban? it's not a laughing matter you know! One major incident with somebody and boom..race ban.



    And the unhealthy obsession with Max continues. Again, there was no mention of Max, let alone Lec-Max pairing in Ferrari.
    The same obsession you have on vettel . Jinx
    I’ve clearly mentioned, it’s better to remove vettel after 2020. I don’t care.
    I support for ferrari & their drivers. Whether it’s good or bad. That’s it end of the story.
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    So tonight a couple of beers on the table and rewatching the Italian Quali and Race once again

    Winning Francorchamps and Monza within 8 days..Sooo special to win these classic races!!

    Singapore coming up! Look forward to it. Will be very difficult to get onto the podium there, but you never know.

    Forza Scuderia and good luck Seb and Charles

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    Quote Originally Posted by wappad View Post
    So tonight a couple of beers on the table and rewatching the Italian Quali and Race once again

    Winning Francorchamps and Monza within 8 days..Sooo special to win these classic races!!

    Singapore coming up! Look forward to it. Will be very difficult to get onto the podium there, but you never know.

    Forza Scuderia and good luck Seb and Charles
    Well put, mate
    It gives me great hope for next year

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    Itís your mentality/thinking or I can say hatred on vettel explains your position.
    What I mentioned earlier both the incidents are of similarities & you are explaining the outcome how funny.
    When vettel went off, there was a grass with some moisture over there n joined the track. So according to you driver should have control .... another funny statement.
    When Lec went off, there were slow sausage kerbs n joined back on track. If there was the same corner over there, it would have been different situation.

    Anyways Iím pointing out the similarities of incidents not the drivers.
    2017 championship ??? Really .
    race ban ?? Let him move out of ferrari after 2020 too, I donít care. Even I called over here to consider Norris. But it seems still that hatred on vettel is on ur head. Move on.
    I didnít like vettel during RB days, I didnít like Alonso during Renault days...when they joined Ferrari only. I started to like them.
    Not like you, when one of our driver makes mistakes coming here n just blasting out with hatredness.

    You were the one who was looking for max-Lec pair in ferrari
    You deemed both are future stars. Yes I agree. But if when one thrashes out the other, where is your thesis of future star ???
    Ignore that guy he is been the same since years. Its no use even to even debate this anymore. Dont stresa about it, life is too short
    The Ferrari 2017 was the second best car at best. Not a chance mercedes was just quicker and had much more reliable car. Seb lost at least 40 point because od that. The 2018 car was in some ways equal to Mercedes But after Monza Mercedes was just plain and faster. Even without of Mistakes Seb wouldnt win the title.

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