Exactly. The SF90 doesn't have the levels of downforce that Vettel is used to. The Red bull's had loads of it, the Ferrari's up until this year had lots of downforce. Leclerc drove for Sauber which barely had any, and definitely not at the level of the Ferraris, so he's used to a car that doesn't stick. He's adapted to the SF90 better, probably because it's more like the cars he's used to and probabaly still has better downforce than last year's Sauber.
"If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve
"If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve
"If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve
Holy ******* ****!?
How can you be so much misinformed? it is beyond comprehension. Thing is, if you really need an excuse, you should've used any other apart from "Lack of downforce".
Fact is, current cars are the most fastest and the most downforce producing cars we have ever had in F1. Hell today's cars are even faster than those V10-ABS-Traction control era cars. And if you take the next race into account, last year Hamilton did 1m36.0 in qualifying. By comparison, Vettel in 2013 did 1m42.8 and Alonso in 2010 with the double blown diffuser car did 1m45.3. And I wouldn't be surprised to see a 1m35 lap in this years qualifying. And if we take race pace in to account, current cars 4-4.5/5 seconds/lap faster.
The SF90 produces more downforce and grip then anything Vettel had ever drove during his time at Red Bull, even with blown diffuser. So your statement "The SF90 doesn't have the levels of downforce that Vettel is used to" is utterly false. Come up with a better excuse next time.
By winning cars, I meant championship winning capable cars. And it is proven beyond doubt that both 2017 and 2018 cars were WDC worthy.
Great post Silent Bob! Francorchamps was a true example of a 'team-win'. Great laps by Seb eventhough he knew that he had to let Lewis pass finally.
That middle part of the race in Belgium, when Charles created the gap and Seb keeping Lewis behind him.. It felt like Japan '97 and Malaysia '99
Vettel: I had the chance to meet him (Michael), and from then on, he was my hero. And then I was following Formula 1. So that’s the beginning of it. That’s where I fell in love with Formula 1, in the mid-’90s.
Bravo seb.....
Schumi
So yeah, Charles won two races, never a WDC like Seb has 4xs. No comparison, what's Charles waiting for? He's already gota year in that Ferrari!
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You know, you state your arguments like you are an F1 expert without really understanding anything at all. Obviously there is a downforce issue with the car, if you would like to argue otherwise, than maybe call Binotto and let him know that he's barking up the wrong development path. Vettel was quick with the 2017 & 2018 cars that had better downforce levels and balance than this years car. Want to dispute this? Maybe you can not comprehend that this year's car is not as balanced as the past cars, this is down to lack of downforce. I understand it and I'm also confident that once that's fixed Vettel will be very quick again.
Maybe settle yourself a bit before you post and make a fool of yourself.
I predict Charles will win many WDC's if the car he's given is competitive. I would also like a lot of WCC's so I also want to see Vettel be competitive. Unlike others that feel the need to throw Vettel under the bus, I hope he gets back to winning ways soon. The more time we see a Ferrari 1-2 on the podium, the better I feel.
Maybe you should read your own post. "The SF90 doesn't have the levels of downforce that Vettel is used to. The Red bull's had loads of it, the Ferrari's up until this year had lots of downforce"...When in my post I ever argued that SF90 has more downforce than the SF70 or SF71. This is what I said: "The SF90 produces more downforce and grip then anything Vettel had ever drove during his time at Red Bull, even with blown diffuser."
Maybe in your own little universe the Red Bull cars of 2010-2013 had more downforce than the SF90, really says it all as far as your metal faculties being all lined up. And yes the Ferrari's of 2017 and 2018 had plenty of downforce, and what is the end-result? Not even a credible title challenge from Vettel.
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I was being blunt. And one has to be after seeing the amount of bs being posted here, "Car doesn't suit him, not used to SF90's so called lack of downforce'...ok let's get someone who can adapt his driving style to SF90's characteristics. And I don't think Ferrari have to spent 40-50 millions either.
Hilarious isn't it. Endless excuses:
2016: It's a off year for Vettel, next year he will be stronger, Ferrar just need to give him a good car
2017: Of well nevermind....he will comeback stronger next year
2018: Doesn't matter, so what he made 7-8 mistakes this year....Vettel will win next year's WDC
And now we are in 2019, and the story is the same. Wait for next year. Crashed at the back of Verstappen in Silverstone, spun and crashed with Stroll in Monza, 2 costly mistakes in 5 races. But sure, next year is going to be Vettel's year....
You still don't make sense. Vettel is faster this year than he was in 2010 just like everyone else, he's just not as fast as the Mercs and hasn't been as fast as Leclerc. So my argument holds. Maybe you can understand it if I phrase it this way.. He can't drive this year's car faster than his team mate because it lacks the downforce levels he needs to get the maximum out of this car. In other words, he can't keep up with the guys in front. We're comparing cars from this year. not from year's past. He managed to beat everyone else in a few of those years. But I'm pretty sure he'll get on top of it and be competitive again.
You are completely missing a mark. General excuse for Vettels perf vs Leclerc is - "This car doesnt have enough downforce, which makes Vettel uncomfortable in the car".
Thats BS because, as Tifosi1993 said, SF90 (and last 2 cars Ferrari made) had MORE downforce then ANY RB he ever drove, so saying "Vettel is not used to so little DF compared to his title winning cars" is bad argument, as last 3 cars had more DF then any RB he drove
Really? where does that data come from? If Giovanazzi was only that far behind he would have a bunch more points than he has. Maybe we should be looking at points and finishing positions.
He was fast in 2017 and 2018 against the rest of the field as well, for most of the season. Maybe a couple of races where he could have counted on some support from his team mate could have made the season a lot closer. Maybe reverting to an older aero package a little earlier would have helped. There are lots of variables that can change a season. Did his mistakes cost him, for sure. He has to live with that. As I have said earlier, I'd like to see him get his act together quickly so we can start winning. Unlike some of the others on here, I think Vettel and Leclerc can be a good pairing and they seem to work together so I'd like to see him stay. Problem for Ferrari in the past has been too many changes, and too many on here always call for someone to be fired if we have a bad season. How's that worked so far?
I like Vettel, he's a class guy and seems like a team player so I'd like him to stay. I like Leclerc and he's going to be the future. If both of these guys are on top of their game, we'll have lots of wins and 1-2 podiums. Last thing we need is tho keep changing things
So the law's of physics only apply to Vettel
More downforce=more friction=more grip, anyone will be fast in a car with plenty of downforce. Not just Vettel....
And those aren't arguments, those are excuses. So Vettel will be fast with more downforce but Leclerc somehow isn't going to be? Hilarious. Fact is, downforce or not Leclerc would still beat Vettel. And with more downforce, the margin of Leclerc's advantage over Vettel would get bigger.
Who said anything about winning this years championship!? You need your medicines Bob.
Kimi is in F1 driving for Alfa Romeo Bob. Forgotten already!? come on man, take up those medicines.
Ah...well I never claimed to be an expert, but being acknowledged as one is nice.
But coming from you....that doesn't mean much. Funny thing is, when Vettel had Kimi/Webber as teammates, we never heard anything about lack of downforce/car not suiting Vettel. But as soon as he had teammates like Ricciardo/Charles, the car suddenly doesn't suit him.
Well enough with the excuses, just admit the facts, that Leclerc is a better driver and Vettel will never win a championship again. Vettel's time at Ferrari is at end, and hopefully 2020 will be his last year with the red team.
No. Vettel with a car that had MOST downforce was better then anyone, that paints completely different picture. Button was better then anyone in Brawn, yet he is nowhere near Top 10 drivers ever.
Vettel driving best car with most downforce and being better then everyone in slower cars means nada.
Keep the same driver beside ham, Wts the outcome ?? He will smash ham by a distance. Then the same topic Lewis doesn’t like the car, he’s not at the top level bla bla bla....!! It goes on.
These current age drivers had it easy. Especially Lewis, if Charles was there at that time even Lewis ham would be far away in the points.
It’s just Leclerc is fast & vettel is slow. This is the current form & we all know that he’s struggling.
Now few people are coming up quoting BS of 2016,17,18 etc.
Did anyone expect 2015 car will win any race ? After disastrous 2014.
When there were wins, they didn’t acknowledge. Now when they see max, all r dropping their pants n want vettel to be out n bring Max in.
wanna ask one question..!! Lec & max both in same team. Few of them called both as future/current stars.
Tmrw, if one outqualifies the other in quali & race by a big margin, so other driver becomes ordinary ?? Who once called him a future star? If yes, then it’s the same with vet & Lec ..! Why don’t they accept it?
Kimi was with ferrari 5yrs with 1win & couple of poles. Where were these guys during that time.?
It’s just these people hate Vettel. Saga continues from RB days
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