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    Quote Originally Posted by ss-89 View Post
    Where do people come up with this utter rubbish? Lewis was 7 tenths ahead of Ferrari in Melbourne Q3 2018...yet we won the first two races and should have won in China but for bad strategy calls. So many drama queens on here in the last few years.
    yeah, we won OZ in 2018, but only because Merc did a blunder under the VSC.....otherwise hamster had it covered me thinks......so we did NOT win that race because we were fastest, we won it due to some luck
    ...the new SF90 in the MATTE RED, to me it looks amazing. Let's hope it's gonna be as FAST as it looks.


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    yes but we were competitive over the next few races, so this GP isn't really represntatiive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Bob View Post
    yes but we were competitive over the next few races, so this GP isn't really represntatiive.
    i know, but still would be nice if we were to come out the TOP car even in the first race.....we'll see
    ...the new SF90 in the MATTE RED, to me it looks amazing. Let's hope it's gonna be as FAST as it looks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    i know, but still would be nice if we were to come out the TOP car even in the first race.....we'll see
    exactly! giving Merc a head start is probably not the best idea.

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    anyone has the full article please ? https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/a...cedes/4353237/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jax View Post
    anyone has the full article please ? https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/a...cedes/4353237/
    How Ferrari held back in Friday practice
    The consensus heading into the season was that Ferrari held the advantage over Mercedes. After Friday practice in Australia, the question is whether Ferrari is holding back or if Mercedes has turned the tables on its rival
    By Edd Straw

    Everyone, and that includes the Formula 1 teams themselves, had Ferrari pegged as the clear leader heading into the Australian Grand Prix weekend.

    So with Mercedes apparently blowing the red cars, and Red Bull for that matter, out of the water in Friday practice, either everyone was wrong or something has changed dramatically. Both of these possibilities cannot be dismissed out of hand.

    But this was no ordinary Friday practice and there are enough question marks and asterisks against the performance not just of Ferrari, but other teams in the field, to suggest all was not quite as it seemed.

    Looking back to winter testing, most reckoned Ferrari potentially had an advantage of around 0.3 seconds over Mercedes. Some thought a little more, some a little less, but there was a clear consensus.

    Although Vettel had shaded Hamilton in the battle to top the times by just 0.003 seconds, the fact that he gave away a couple of tenths in his final sector on that fastest lap compared to his best and set a lap time that put him a good 0.3s faster, when adjusted for using a slower tyre compound, painted a different picture. But that was just a snapshot from testing.

    It's well known that Mercedes introduced a major upgrade package for the second test, so it's far from unreasonable to think it will have shaken more performance out of it in the two weeks since testing wrapped up.



    "It's a difficult read for us," said Mercedes boss Toto Wolff. "We hit the road and it wasn't great. Then we brought a substantial upgrade package to the second test and slowly but surely started to understand and learn and put the dots together. It was a quite decent end of testing.

    "The teams were, lap time-wise, very close together but very few kilograms of fuel can make you look very good or less good. That's why, pants down on Saturday, that's the first real benchmark this year."

    Ferrari didn't have a great time on the softs. Vettel complained his car was "still a bit wobbly" after his push lap, while Leclerc said FP2 was difficult and the wind caused some problems
    But today, we don't have the luxury of waiting for qualifying. So what did we learn from Friday? The bare facts show that Lewis Hamilton set the pace with a best lap of 1m22.600s, just under half a tenth faster than Mercedes team-mate Valtteri Bottas.

    Max Verstappen was third fastest, eight tenths down, with Sebastian Vettel a further 0.073s back for Ferrari. All of these times were set in FP2 using the soft Pirellis.

    Single-lap pace
    1 Mercedes 1m22.600s
    2 Red Bull 1m23.400s
    3 Ferrari 1m23.473s
    4 Alfa Romeo 1m23.572s
    5 Renault 1m23.574s
    6 Haas 1m23.814s
    7 Toro Rosso 1m23.933s
    8 Racing Point 1m24.011s
    9 McLaren 1m24.133s
    10 Williams 1m26.453s

    Now we come to the first caveat. While Mercedes had a completely conventional run plan for Friday afternoon, Red Bull didn't.



    To deviate a little from the Mercedes versus Ferrari narrative - worth doing given that Red Bull's testing pace was inconclusive - Verstappen's performance run was not entirely representative.

    Typically, after early running on a harder compound, drivers then head out in the middle of the session, or even earlier than that, for a qualifying simulation. Verstappen went against the grain by continuing to pile on the miles on mediums and didn't do his run until the closing stages.

    After setting his fastest time, he stayed out and did enough running to show you can confidently knock 0.6s off for fuel. That puts him 0.2s off Mercedes, if we (riskily) assume they would normally have a similar payload for their FP2 performance runs.

    Ferrari, meanwhile, didn't have a great time on the softs. Vettel complained that his car was "still a bit wobbly" after his push lap and lacked confidence, while Leclerc mentioned that FP2 was difficult and the wind caused some problems.

    Leclerc also, however, stressed that "we are not flat out". We know Verstappen could have gone significantly quicker, and we can be sure Ferrari would have been able to as well.

    We know the Ferrari is not only a tenth faster than an Alfa Romeo, quick as Kimi Raikkonen's lap was, so can dismiss that gap as anything representative.

    But what we can't say based on that is where Ferrari would have been with an even comparison to Mercedes other than saying it would be at least a lot closer.



    It's possible that fuel loads played a part, and the pace of the Ferrari in the early running using mediums, with both drivers seconds off, suggests the comparison was indeed skewed.

    But what about the long runs? Mercedes again was fastest by some distance based on runs on the soft rubber. The gap to Ferrari was very similar to the one-lap pace, judged by Vettel's run; Red Bull - based on Pierre Gasly - was in a similar area.

    In fact, on long-run pace Ferrari and Red Bull are among a clutch of teams in the very low 1m29s bracket, which includes Alfa Romeo, Renault and even McLaren - with Toro Rosso only a few tenths back.

    Again, this is clearly misleading because, while the gap from midfield to the front has narrowed, the big three are still the big three. Here's how the long-run pace stacks up, based on six counting laps on soft rubber.

    Long-run pace
    1 Mercedes 1m28.238s
    2 Alfa Romeo 1m29.006s
    3 McLaren 1m29.029s
    4 Ferrari 1m29.090s
    5 Renault 1m29.133s
    6 Red Bull 1m29.154s
    7 Toro Rosso 1m29.348s
    8 Haas 1m29.570s
    9 Racing Point 1m29.578s

    Look at pace on other tyre compounds and things get a bit more interesting. Leclerc's pace on the hard tyres (C2s compared to the 'soft' C4s) was within a tenth of Vettel's on the softs.



    Pirelli puts the total pace difference between hards and softs at 1.5s. It should be stressed that's peak lap time and the gap on a long run would be smaller, so that doesn't put the reds seven tenths up the road, but again this confirms that Ferrari has more pace than it has so far unleashed.

    To add to that, Vettel's pace on a brief long run on mediums was very similar to that of Bottas. This could potentially point to Ferrari struggling more on the softs than the other compounds, but that will only become clear tomorrow.

    The midfield picture is a little clearer, but still inconclusive. In testing, the feeling was that Haas perhaps headed the first group of three teams in the mid-pack with Renault and Alfa Romeo close.

    Ferrari is faster than it looked on Friday. The question is, by how much?
    Today broadly supported that, although Alfa Romeo shaded it, with Renault on very similar pace. It's worth noting that Nico Hulkenberg did a very impressive run on the softs in terms of range with very limited drop-off, which suggests the Renault is kind to its tyres and the tyres are durable.

    As for Haas, often on Friday it looks less competitive than it actually is and the gap to the front of the midfield can easily be made up.

    That said, it was just behind Toro Rosso, while McLaren driver Carlos Sainz Jr delivered a strong run on softs that put him with the midfield leaders and well clear of Racing Point, which appears to be its closest rival on outright pace.



    The one thing we can be sure of is that the midfield is close. So what can we really conclude from today? Probably less than we expected and certainly less than, to invoke Wolff's phraseology, we will when the pants are down on Saturday afternoon.

    Mercedes probably has extracted more from its car, but until we see Red Bull and Ferrari on equal terms in the one-hour qualifying session, we won't get a meaningful read on exactly where it's shaken out.

    But we should not be surprised if Mercedes has made gains, given how formidable this team is. And even if that has only closed the gap to Ferrari, at worst it could move it within range of Hamilton taking pole with a one-lap special.

    It's possible Ferrari might have a bit of a problem with the soft Pirellis, which would definitely be an issue come Q3, but it does look plenty fast enough on mediums and hards.

    As for Red Bull, it's probably thereabouts and it wouldn't be a surprise if the gap of closer to two tenths (once you've corrected for the length of Verstappen's run) to Mercedes was in the ballpark of reality.

    But there's one thing we can be absolutely sure of: Ferrari is faster than it looked on Friday. The question is, by how much? And will it be enough to put it ahead, as expected after testing, or will the competitive picture be dramatically different?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefa View Post
    It's been a long winter and finally season begins. It is only Friday. Let's wait for Q3 before hitting every panic button!
    Or maybe even wait next 2-3 races before we can see who is fast who is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    Posted anywhere ???
    I saw it mentioned by someone commenting on one of the links posted in this thread, nothing official hence why I said "apparently" :)
    Rest in Peace Leza, you were a true warrior...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwk360 View Post
    onboard of Max fast lap, people said he didnt actually have traffic , marko said he did so could be first attempt Gio blocked him messing with its optimal temps

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcoC...ature=youtu.be


    his top speeds look high wish we can compare to leclerc and hamilton to see how high the engines were running
    Thanks. Looks like smooth driving.

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    It has been said that Melbourne isn't the ideal track to determine who is actually fastest, and there are so many variables that it's what happens in quali and on race day that matters. It's disappointing to see us behind Merc and the Bulls after FP1/2, but for everyone's sake let's try to be positive, we don't want to get on that depressing slope just yet but there is work to be done and we need to give the team a chance to gel. I know we've been saying the same thing for 10 years or more, but we are still here and as loyal as any tifoso should be.

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    Hi, i take a look to the race sim.
    Leclerc did a 1.28,5 on his first laps with hard compound.
    Ham did a 1.27,2 on his last 2 laps with soft compound.
    Seems speed is even.

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    All this speculation makes for a good forum banter facts are based on yesterday's practice sessions we have issues it's simple it puts Ferrari best of the rest if true heads will roll because something has gone horribly wrong Mr binotto is not saying anything his actions will speak hope so other wise he will be shown the door pronto .Ferrari should stop playing cat and mouse and start being real Ferrari either have a great car or they are lagging and lagging badly even Alfa are faster this would be a disaster for Ferrari and a huge let down to all it's fans globally after such a build up to 2019 season I hope that I am wrong very wrong but the playing around is and has become annoying Ferrari pull your finger out and have a go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisepie View Post
    It has been said that Melbourne isn't the ideal track to determine who is actually fastest, and there are so many variables that it's what happens in quali and on race day that matters. It's disappointing to see us behind Merc and the Bulls after FP1/2, but for everyone's sake let's try to be positive, we don't want to get on that depressing slope just yet but there is work to be done and we need to give the team a chance to gel. I know we've been saying the same thing for 10 years or more, but we are still here and as loyal as any tifoso should be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wisepie View Post
    It has been said that Melbourne isn't the ideal track to determine who is actually fastest, and there are so many variables that it's what happens in quali and on race day that matters. It's disappointing to see us behind Merc and the Bulls after FP1/2, but for everyone's sake let's try to be positive, we don't want to get on that depressing slope just yet but there is work to be done and we need to give the team a chance to gel. I know we've been saying the same thing for 10 years or more, but we are still here and as loyal as any tifoso should be.
    Your positivity isn't welcome here. WE'RE DOOMED!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    Wehrlein apparently started testing in the simulator right after the 2nd practice... hopefully he can find some solutions for tomorrow...
    Quote Originally Posted by mizf1 View Post
    In Wehrlein we trust
    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    Posted anywhere ???
    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    I saw it mentioned by someone commenting on one of the links posted in this thread, nothing official hence why I said "apparently" :)

    [Autoild] Until Saturday, Ferrari will now evaluate data, which was also done by simulator driver Pascal Wehrlein in the factory in Maranello at the same time as the free practice sessions in Melbourne.



    also


    Autobild found out from the direct environment of team principal Mattia Binotto that Ferrari is not concerned or panicking because of the gap to Mercedes after FP2.

    "Today we tried different things, everything is ok."
    It's not how start but how you finish.

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    "Las marcas d abrasión en el neumático delantero izquierdo del Ferrari confirman los problemas d balance y puesta a punto en estos libres 2. Pese a eso, han escondido velocidad."

    Translation by me --> "The markings of abrasion from the left front from Ferrari confirm the problems of balance from FP2. I think this is why they "hid" velocity.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1rqMrPU8AAW1D_.jpg
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    What's the issue with this tire. Tires are scraped after a run by Ferrari & Pirelli to check for wear. You can see where they've done this on the lower part of the picture and then the top of the tire looks pretty good. Can even see some divots where debris has been removed.

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    Lewis, the self proclaimed god, is 1.3 sec quicker than the 2nd best driver. Therefore:

    We have no chance.

    Let's not suppport Ferrari anymore.

    Let's change the name of this forum IpeeinmypantswhenLewistopsfreepractice.net.

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    I bet you will be watching da one no matter what you say.

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    It's not how start but how you finish.

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    That midfield looks super tight. TR,haas, Alfa looking strong

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    Wow... 1:22:5 for Vettel and he didn't even push.... WOW....
    Rest in Peace Leza, you were a true warrior...

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    Nice lap Seb. looked controlled too. 1:22:556
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    HAAS 0.7 seconds off Vettel's time... more speed to come from everyone....
    Rest in Peace Leza, you were a true warrior...

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    1.22.5 wowwwww

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    1.23.1 gros

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    Looking ok that's better car is behaving track temp warmer

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    HAM 0.3 seconds quicker...
    Rest in Peace Leza, you were a true warrior...

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    Taxi going even faster
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    Leclerc right there too 1:22:7
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