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    Michael became a champ in cars that weren't helped with the FIA and tyre manufacturer.

    That's why alone Lewis will never be the greatest. Put a F2-F3 driver in that Mercedes and he would fight for the podium at least so.
    Hero's come and go, but legends never die!

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    HAM has had the best car for the past 5 seasons and with his 6th WDC looming, everyone knows it would have been different IF any other team had provided their drivers with a first-rate car. We must accept that the SF90 is a relative failure and the fact that Mercedes and to a lesser extent Red Bull are able to manage the current tyres better than Ferrari proves the point, although Merc have definitely been the biggest benefactors of this year's tyres and Pirelli and the FIA appear to have gone along with Mercedes and let it happen. Red Bull are now better than us in race trim and even with Charles on board, you can't expect him to beat a rampant Max when his tyres are shot. We will be lucky to win a race this year without a miracle. As for Eddie Jordan's comments, I'm inclined to think that his crystal ball is steamed up, as I will be if HAM ever gets into a Ferrari.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSpeed View Post
    Michael became a champ in cars that weren't helped with the FIA and tyre manufacturer.

    That's why alone Lewis will never be the greatest. Put a F2-F3 driver in that Mercedes and he would fight for the podium at least so.
    https://f1i.com/news/341422-marko-se...rcedes-is.html

    Its already been proven, an F2 driver stepped in Hamilton's car and posted the fastest time without issue. A 12 year old that plays F1 on Xbox could win a championship with that Merc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSpeed View Post
    Michael became a champ in cars that weren't helped with the FIA and tyre manufacturer.

    That's why alone Lewis will never be the greatest. Put a F2-F3 driver in that Mercedes and he would fight for the podium at least so.
    Amen to that!!! Well said!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSpeed View Post
    Michael became a champ in cars that weren't helped with the FIA and tyre manufacturer.

    That's why alone Lewis will never be the greatest. Put a F2-F3 driver in that Mercedes and he would fight for the podium at least so.
    Sure

    Max loved Ferrari and they had custom Bridgestone tyres....
    Last edited by evo_spook; 16th July 2019 at 18:09.

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    And others had custom Michelins.....
    Forza Ferrari

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    Lewis has that 6th WDC in the bag already. We'll see how it goes next year but by the looks of it, I'm quite pessimistic for 2020 too.

    Also my gut feeling is that Lewis will never join Ferrari, he will retire at Merc in 2 - 4 years from now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana View Post
    Lewis has that 6th WDC in the bag already. We'll see how it goes next year but by the looks of it, I'm quite pessimistic for 2020 too.

    Also my gut feeling is that Lewis will never join Ferrari, he will retire at Merc in 2 - 4 years from now.
    It is not that Ferrari needs him, Ferrari needs to build better car, and than CL or any other can drive it to WDC and CWC.

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    Ferrari have more focus on there road cars than the sf 90 .The rd cars make them multi millions whilst the f1 division costs them multi millions and for many years now with only average to poor results one should ask why even bother it must be of a tax benefit.

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    Very true. Just think about every Merc car leaving the factory to a showroom around the world wearing Pirelli's ! How can they not bend over for F-1 team Merc. Ferrari needs Todt to put a stop to the preferred treatment being given to Merc! After all he is the former " Ferrari Legend " to many fans here. Also while the FIA is at it, they should be investigating how Merc put out a top car that can drive itself!

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    I'm struggling to understand this year's car. Redbull seems bloody fast in race trim, meanwhile we're ok with single lap performance.

    Redbull outdeveloped us again ?
    Our new updates are not working ?
    Our race pace is bad because of the tyres?

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    The opinion here seems to be first and foremost ; the tires, both bad choice and bad tires as far as holding up. Red Bull came out swinging , no fear of changing anything they felt would help and it did. As far as updates I have to think for ex. Seb has to be clear as to what he wants and needs and come practice and between races give the team hell if they didn't get it right! Lewis is relentless as far as complaining how his caris set up and look at the results. I can't believe Ferraris crew hasn't the know how to listen and get the car right. Then again driver's mistakes race time are on him not the team boys in the garage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    And others had custom Michelins.....
    We both know the Bridgestones were exclusively developed around Ferrari to the detrement of the other teams running them, this led to McLaren leaving Bridgestone, something we both know the Michelins never did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evo_spook View Post
    We both know the Bridgestones were exclusively developed around Ferrari to the detrement of the other teams running them, this led to McLaren leaving Bridgestone, something we both know the Michelins never did.
    and Michelins were exclusively developed around Renault when they were winning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrarichamp View Post
    and Michelins were exclusively developed around Renault when they were winning?
    You got any media stories to back that up, as I assure you there is ones for bridgestone.

    In 2005 they was competing against McLaren, another Michelin runner, I'm sure we'd have heard the complaints.

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    Will Hamilton's amazing luck EVER end?
    Never known any driver to have such luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefa View Post
    It is not that Ferrari needs him, Ferrari needs to build better car, and than CL or any other can drive it to WDC and CWC.
    Yup. Ferrari don't need him and he doesn't need to come to Ferrari. We have Charles that is doing great, we just need a competitive car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cevertmyhero View Post
    Will Hamilton's amazing luck EVER end?
    Never known any driver to have such luck.
    Usually when you are in front luck seems to go your way, or at least it's a lot more easier to control the race when you have such a massive advantage compared to the rest of your competitors. I remember when Bottas pitted for mediums Lewis in clean air was putting better lap times than Bottas on fresh mediums so even without a safety car he would still have emerged in front after the pitstop(s).

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    I guess you could also argue Bottas had a bit of luck with the spark plug issue, that it occurred in FP rather than in qualy or the race.

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    F-1 Indy USA, Michelin tires caused Ralph to hit the wall @ turn 13 . The sidewalls gave out . Only 8 cars continued to race after that. Ralph came out O K but for awhile he wasn't moving and everyone was scared he was not O K. Now there should be at least two tire companies in F-1. Pirelli can continue to favor Merc and all other teams can go else where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evo_spook View Post
    We both know the Bridgestones were exclusively developed around Ferrari to the detrement of the other teams running them, this led to McLaren leaving Bridgestone, something we both know the Michelins never did.
    And Williams had the Michelin's designed for them and Williams even helped McLaren develop their suspension when they changed so don't pretend it was just Ferrari who has tyres made for them....Williams said they would never help McLaren again after they took JPM iirc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    And Williams had the Michelin's designed for them and Williams even helped McLaren develop their suspension when they changed so don't pretend it was just Ferrari who has tyres made for them....Williams said they would never help McLaren again after they took JPM iirc.
    Was there any reason Williams helped McLaren?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    And Williams had the Michelin's designed for them and Williams even helped McLaren develop their suspension when they changed so don't pretend it was just Ferrari who has tyres made for them....Williams said they would never help McLaren again after they took JPM iirc.
    Never heard it said, that Williams had the Michelin’s designed for them or that they designed McLaren suspension.

    Well, some are under a strange impression, eg:

    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSpeed View Post
    Michael became a champ in cars that weren't helped with the FIA and tyre manufacturer.

    That's why alone Lewis will never be the greatest. Put a F2-F3 driver in that Mercedes and he would fight for the podium at least so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evo_spook View Post
    Never heard it said, that Williams had the Michelin’s designed for them or that they designed McLaren suspension.

    Well, some are under a strange impression, eg:



    Well go and read about it.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSpeed View Post
    Michael became a champ in cars that weren't helped with the FIA and tyre manufacturer.

    That's why alone Lewis will never be the greatest. Put a F2-F3 driver in that Mercedes and he would fight for the podium at least so.
    Michael didn't need any help from the FIA. He had Ross, the midjet and Rubens working for him 100%. The same tires as the other teams had available and a T car set up just for him. Traction control helped while he had it. Put Lewis in that set up like Michael had it and he too would be a GOAT driver. Oh wait !! That's what's going on now 2019!! If only he had a T car to boot!! No DNF worries. Charles is young enough and has the skill to do it too as far a GOAT when he retires .

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    Some lap by Lewis at the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyBuckley View Post
    Some lap by Lewis at the end
    Just shows how superior their car is when everything is turned on to get the fastest lap bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Just shows how superior their car is when everything is turned on to get the fastest lap bonus.
    Wel, VETTEL had the superior car last year, arguably in 2017 as wel, why didnt he manage such feats? This year Mercedes is without a doubt the better car, but it wasnt in 2018, possibly not even in 2017. Hamiltonnis not even the best driver on the grid, but he is better then Vettel. Vettel makes way to many mistakes.
    If not for his mistakes, he would have been 6 time champ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Just shows how superior their car is when everything is turned on to get the fastest lap bonus.
    Especially when the car stays on auto pilot !

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