Italian GP 2019 Race

[Giallo 550]

Verstappen could go to Ferrari to partner Leclerc... Verstappen just said They could both work together for the same team... https://www.grandprix247.com/2019/09...the-same-team/

Translation: Verstappen thinks he can dominate Leclerc.

[tifosi1993]

Translation: Verstappen thinks he can dominate Leclerc.

As good as Max is, I think he's in for a rude awakening if he really thinks that. In terms of raw pace, I don't think there's anyone out there who's faster than Charles. And this is only Charles's 2nd season in F1, compared to Verstappen's 5th. With more experience Charles will only get better.

[Stormsearcher]

As good as Max is, I think he's in for a rude awakening if he really thinks that. In terms of raw pace, I don't think there's anyone out there who's faster than Charles. And this is only Charles's 2nd season in F1, compared to Verstappen's 5th. With more experience Charles will only get better.

Not so sure about that. Max will be faster than Lec over a single lap. He is perhaps the faster driver in F1 today. But overall, over the length of a season, Lec will beat him.

[Stormsearcher]

One small difference.
Michael, greatest driver of all times, 7 WDC under his belt, did not care (his words) to get any other WDC. He only cared to race, cause he was a true racer.

This is not the case with Alonso. I explained why.

You cant be serious. Alonso is not only racing, he is winning in different categories. And you think hes not a true racer? Or are you still bitter he beat Schumi in 05 and 06?

[FerrariF60]

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Not so sure about that. Max will be faster than Lec over a single lap. He is perhaps the faster driver in F1 today. But overall, over the length of a season, Lec will beat him.

Boy, am I praying for that day to come soon enough, to have both of them driving for the same team....it would be an absolute cracker of a line up.....sadly, don’t think ferrari will two roosters fighting each other....

But who knows, we’ve seen bold moves by Ferrari as of late....bringing a young driver into the team, we’ve NEVER seen that before....so time will tell

[FerrariF60]

You cant be serious. Alonso is not only racing, he is winning in different categories. And you think hes not a true racer? Or are you still bitter he beat Schumi in 05 and 06?

He only b3at Schumi in 05, 06 due to Reanault cheating using the mass damper in their suspension as well as working their Michelin tires better and lasting longer....which was banned the following years....and what happened then? Ferrari back on top.....that’s right

[aroutis]

You cant be serious. Alonso is not only racing, he is winning in different categories. And you think hes not a true racer? Or are you still bitter he beat Schumi in 05 and 06?

I am very serious.
He won Schumacher on 2005 with superior tyres. At 2006, mass dumper anyone?
As for him winning in different categories, it is different to race WRC for example, than racing for F1 and in top form.

As for Max , I believe at this point someone like Lando Norris is a much better fit for the team. We need a team player, not someone who thinks he is entitled, and yah, Max clearly thinks that he is.

[Greig]

You cant be serious. Alonso is not only racing, he is winning in different categories. And you think hes not a true racer? Or are you still bitter he beat Schumi in 05 and 06?

Yep that pretty much sums it up

[Rishu]

You cant be serious. Alonso is not only racing, he is winning in different categories. And you think hes not a true racer? Or are you still bitter he beat Schumi in 05 and 06?

Yes, there are certain people around who are the ‘Alonso is toxic’ flag bearers despite those worked with him denying all, you should’ve identified them by now

[Ferrarichamp]

Maybe we could get Alonso to replace Seb just for the next race, he could fix it for us

[Noquarter]

Vettel's poor attitude may mean that in 2017 or 2018 Mercedes did not have a better car. We just had a poor driver.

[tifosi1993]

Yes, there are certain people around who are the ‘Alonso is toxic’ flag bearers despite those worked with him denying all, you should’ve identified them by now

Funny isn't? all those nonsense talks about 'toxic Alonso' and 'Vettel the savior, the next Schumacher' blah blah blah....pretty hilarious when toxic Alonso almost won 2 title with Ferrari but 'Vettel the savior' couldn't even take the championship fight to the last race. Some people here clearly can't forgive Alonso for beating Schumacher fair and square, mass damper!?...there was no mass damper in 2005 and it got banned pretty early in 2006. And also Ferrari tried to bring their own version of mass damper, but it failed.

We all know Massa's opinion regarding both Schmacher and Alonso: https://www.racefans.net/2013/11/06/...umacher-massa/

So who cares about some random people on the internet and their biased, fallacious opinions. Let them be bitter, it doesn't matter and its not gonna change the fact.

[tifosi1993]

Not so sure about that. Max will be faster than Lec over a single lap. He is perhaps the faster driver in F1 today. But overall, over the length of a season, Lec will beat him.

Well few occasions Max had the fastest car, like in Monaco 2018 or Mexico 2017/2018. But he got beaten by Ricciardo and Vettel. Leclerc on the other hand always capitalized when Ferrari was faster. Let's not forget, Italy should've been his 3rd victory and could've been his 5th. Also Leclerc pretty much dominates the entire weekend, from FP to Qualifying and then the race. I can't remember Max doing the same thing.

Charles's raw pace is pretty much unmatched imo. But it also doesn't mean Max is slow, one of Max's biggest strength is he doesn't have any weakness, no matter what conditions he is driving, wet dry or damp, he's always up there. Both of them are ahead of their generation, like Alonso and Hamilton.

[512 TR]

I was at Monza this year. I came home approx. one hour ago. AMAZING experience. The way Charles drove was impossible to describe in words. That engine, 064 1.6 L, is a monster! I dare to challenge anyone who says F1 can exist without Ferrari. I think it's proven now.

One question. On lap 36 Charles made a mistake. Similar to Sebs in Canada. Obviously the decision to leave it be was right. So what does that idiot Emanuele Pirro think today?

As for Seb. Something is not right. But everyone knows he needs a stable rear. I really feel for him.

[nani_s23]

Not so sure about that. Max will be faster than Lec over a single lap. He is perhaps the faster driver in F1 today. But overall, over the length of a season, Lec will beat him.

Not at all. Lec is faster than max over single lap undoubtedly. He would thrash with big margin in quali.
Come race, Lec is getting better but still max has the raw pace. But remember Lec in his 2nd season getting better & better for each race. So I see he has the advantage over max.

[darkchild]

Translation: Verstappen thinks he can dominate Leclerc.

I thought it was rather nice from Max. Well see next year, Leclerc is just getting better and I think he will be force to reckon with. Cant see Vettel outqualifying him till the end of the year.

[Brembo]

This is a Ferrari forum !!! Every post talks about R Bull's driver!! Go find a M.. forum already! Trolling like crazy here!! Mods ; where are you? !!! Just kidding. At least now I feel safe !

[Giallo 550]

This is a Ferrari forum !!! Every post talks about R Bull's driver!! Go find a M.. forum already! Trolling like crazy here!! Mods ; where are you? !!! Just kidding. At least now I feel safe !

LOL!

[racingbradley]

LOL!

Now that we have the antidote to the m &h word maybe brembo is happy now.

[512 TR]

Most of you are so MEAN to Seb. He's OUR driver. Don't YOU THINKS he tries. GIVES it alll!!!!

[FerrariF60]

Most of you are so MEAN to Seb. He's OUR driver. Don't YOU THINKS he tries. GIVES it alll!!!!

I don’t doubt one second that he is not trying hard....is just that obviously the car is not to his liking (he is used to a car with very stable rear end) so he seems to overdrive the car and pushes himself often into silly, very costly mistakes

Whereas Charles seems to be very comfortable with how the car is behaving....or baybe he can adapt quicker to a car with these characteristics

[racingbradley]

Most of you are so MEAN to Seb. He's OUR driver. Don't YOU THINKS he tries. GIVES it alll!!!!

I think most Ferrari fans love both their drivers and just want to see Ferrari 1, 2s where possible.
Seb has a problem it may be in his head and he needs help but first he has to admit to himself he has a problem and then he will seek help.
I still think he lost his confidence after Germany last year. I feel that someone very important to him passed a negative remark which has stuck.
Ferrari are looking after him but somehow he needs to face his problem.
Just my opinion.

[wappad]

Most of you are so MEAN to Seb. He's OUR driver. Don't YOU THINKS he tries. GIVES it alll!!!!

[nani_s23]

Most of you are so MEAN to Seb. He's OUR driver. Don't YOU THINKS he tries. GIVES it alll!!!!

Few drivers are sensitive to car characteristics. Vettel is in that category.
When the rear-end balance isn’t good, he struggles a lot than others.

Vettel Monza error resembles to Canada Error where rear-end snapped away. Clearly shows he’s struggling to find the mechanical grip.

Next year it’s make or break for him. I hope he delivers his best next season with a strong car.

[FerrariF60]

Few drivers are sensitive to car characteristics. Vettel is in that category.
When the rear-end balance isn’t good, he struggles a lot than others.

Vettel Monza error resembles to Canada Error where rear-end snapped away. Clearly shows he’s struggling to find the mechanical grip.

Next year it’s make or break for him. I hope he delivers his best next season with a strong car.

IF he makes it to next year is the BIG question...........maybe he'll get the BOOT and be replaced with Richiardo for 2020

[Cavallino]

Usually, I have takeaways from a race. But none of that insight has changed since Belgium. My only takeaway this week was Charles and Ferrari won in MONZA!!!

[Brembo]

Those years always up front @ R Bull caused his lack of mid track driving experience . It shows now. He never dreamed he'd need it at Ferrari thinking he's going to be in another rocket with the best team. What a contract to boot !! Seb did great for himself and for his fans. Nothing is forever. The best to him.

[paolo lalli]

Seb needs to lift his game sensibly and stay focused forget beating Charles he is making this his mantle and is coming undone in the process.This is important as a team because at the moment Charles is doing it all on his own and is carrying the weight of Ferrari single handed ,and what a wonderful job he is doing bloody good stuff.

[Vettel165]

Those years always up front @ R Bull caused his lack of mid track driving experience . It shows now. He never dreamed he'd need it at Ferrari thinking he's going to be in another rocket with the best team. What a contract to boot !! Seb did great for himself and for his fans. Nothing is forever. The best to him.

Agree. In history he will remain a 4 time world champion, and third in the rankings of the numbers of wins he has.

Imagine that he comes back amazingly next season with a car that has more rear downforce, and delivers that 5 drivers title for Ferrari. Imagine this, would make me the happiest man on earth.

Will always support him, since 2008 I have been his major fan, wont stop now.

[tifosi1993]

I am just happy that we have Charles on board. If Arrivabane was still in charge, we would still have the same dysfunctional Vettel-Raikkonen line up. And plenty of people would've pouring their sympathy now towards Vettel, how he's supposedly over driving the car to overcome the deficit to Mercedes, and making mistakes as a result. How putting Leclerc wouldn't have changed anything...

Hopefully people got their answers. Many of us, including myself, always knew Charles is more than a match for Vettel. And Ferrari must focus on Leclerc's preference, next year's car should be designed around Leclerc's feedback and driving preference.