Binotto is the right man to lead Ferrari. Ferrari needs people with brain and experience, and Binotto had it covered on both fronts. He made the right decision by booting out Vettel, Brazil 2019 was plainly obvious that Leclerc-Vettel pairing wouldn't work.
He also showed shrewdness and competent decision making regarding the political aspect of F1, he made it quite clear that budget cup of 145M is the absolute minimum, Ferrari can't go any lower. Although Zack Brown and Cyril fought quite hard to it get to 100M, in the end F1 agreed to enforce 145M cap. Another political victory for Ferrari after the engine drama.
You have some serious Vettel blinkers on Vettel165...
Hero's come and go, but legends never die!
I am also a Vettel fan.l am watching F1 because of ferrari and schumacher.Just don't argue with them.They are looking every opportunity to insult vettel.Whenever you are supporting Vettel they are insulting him.They have forgotten about the year 2014 and how Vettel raised the morality of the team.It don't know whether he will outscore Leclerc or not but, Vettel will be always my favorite as is ferrari.I think those who are all criticising Vettel might be the top dog of their field they might not tasted failure.
Vettal did the best he could.He probably has some regrets but Ferrari is a complex beast politics and the lack of leadership do not help any Ferrari drivers cause.Burn out and fatigue with added pressure is a formula to fail.Seb needs a breath fresh air with a new direction.This will invigorate him .Vettal still has lots to offer.He has no pressure on him know and when this season starts expect a very fast and mistake free vettal.Ferrari need to get there act together for to long know the Ferrari fiddle has been playing a very poor tune indeed.
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Imagine there is a lot to play here, maybe we will see the things develop in different way that we expect. Seb back to Red Bull, and Verstappen to Mercedes with Hamilton. Mercedes falls behind in pace and Leclerc and Seb fight for the world title in different teams.
Think as you wish. I dont want reiterate my stand on team or a driver.
If its right or wrong, they I say it clear & loud. Thats the reason we are here on this forum.
I was one along with @mwk called Lec should be in ferrari team sooner or later after watching his F2 stints.
Now I dont want to explain it again & again.
Alonso & Schumi are my all time favourites. I even wished that Alonso should come back to ferrari for an year & win the championship. Thats the passion I have for ferrari & driver.
When Alonso left they called damn politics inside team because of him, when vettel leaving damn hes worst driver.
Hope this is repetitive against Leclerc too. Thats the worry for me. Now that everything is united & wants Leclerc to perform
If he doesnt then its the same formula like Alonso/vettel.
Coming your comment on Vettel mistakes or something. I dont know how do you analyse the things relatively just by one post or would look into other posts as well. May be people like you just come out & throw a post without any base.
I clearly said vettels mistakes & also team mistakes. Both are there in my post.
You are saying Kimi vs vettel right?
2017 ferrari was dominant how funny post it was. Dont you remember spark plug issue? Where our didnt start even on the grid? Dont you remember TC failure?
Coming to your spec upgrade, damn you dont see or consider points table. Team preferred Vettel because he was leading the points & hes up against Merc/ham. Can you let me know where was Kimi in terms of points at that stage?
Kimi was having reliability issues combined with some poor performances.
In 2018, Kimi was matching to vettel. I think it was best performance upon his comeback to ferrari.
You were talking about merc performance right? How did we end up behind merc & RB almost catching us up in the 2nd half of 2018? Only vettels mistakes? Funny
Ferrari lost its development path in 2nd half & it was mentioned by TP too. Check & come back.
My stand remains the same. Ferrari never had championship winning car. vettels & team mistakes caused more failures but not a championship.
Hope they turn the table in 2021 & come up with a strong car where Leclerc can pull it off. Sainz can play Bottas role.
You don't want to reiterate, but your entire post says otherwise.
Again, you've been harping on about "team mistakes". And again I ask, show one example of such mistake that caused Vettel to lose 25 points. There are plenty of examples regarding Raikkonen's strategy, so why don't you stand up and show us similar examples of Ferrari screwing Vettel's strategy.
You talk about spark-plug issue, occurred in Japan 2017, nearly 3 years ago. And I don't know what TC failure you're referring to, since traction control has been banned since 2008. I guess you're referring to his power unit failure in Malaysia 2017, again something that had happened nearly 3 years ago. So from 2017-2018, out of 41 races Vettel only had 2 major reliability failures. WOW...Vettel really suffered horribly because of Ferrari's unreliability...
And again you backtrack and include Alonso. I really don't understand Vettel fan's fascination toward Alonso, you lot always like to mention him, even when the main discussion is about Vettel and his 2017-2018 performance.
And trust me, plenty of us here weren't happy with Alonso's departure and Vettel's appointment. Back then we knew it pretty well, Vettel, even if he had better Ferrari cars than Alonso's, he would never get close to win the WDC or match Alonso. And guess what, we were proven right. And again we were proven right, when we said that Leclerc is going to trash Vettel in 2019.
And speaking of "second half on 2018", Lets see: From Belgium-Abu Dhabi, Hamilton scored: 195 points (0 reliability issues), Bottas scored: 115 points (0 reliability issues), Vettel scored: 131 points (0 reliability issues), Raikonen scored: 105 points (2 DNF's to unreliability). So according to you, Ferrari SF71-H was the 3rd fastest car, but here we see that, Bottas driving the Mercedes rocket-ship, only out scored Raikkonen by 10 points, while the latter suffered 2 DNF's due to reliability issues. Hamilton on the other hand out scored Vettel by 64 points. I mean we can easily draw inference from the data: It is Hamilton who made the difference. Hamilton kept his hand clean, made 0 mistakes and collected maximum points when possible, Vettel on the other hand made contact with Hamilton in Monza, with Max in Japan and with Dani Ric in USA (while also ignored red flag during qualifying and earned himself 3 place grid drop), so that's 4 mistakes within a span of 4 GP's.
And I see you find those mistakes funny, clearly you've something going on for Vettel and Vettel spinning on track amused you. But as a Ferrari fan, seeing him doing his ballet routine made me angry and frustrated.
And hey, it's not just me who said Ferrari had the fastest car, even the great Ross Brawn said it. Then there was Chandhok, Mark Hughes...all of them were equally impressed with both SF70 and SF71.
And you don't have to hope, Ferrari, sooner than later, will turn it's fortune around. You just hope that Vettel gets a seat for next year, otherwise it's a pretty much good bye Sebastian Vettel from F1.
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Well it quite obvious isn't. I've been saying it ever since Ferrari announced Vettel's departure, he's right now pretty much a un-wanted driver. Vettel actually approached both Red Bull and Mclaren for a seat during the winter, but both them shut their door to his face, Red Bull were a bit pleasant with him, Mclaren not so much and not even considered him for the 2nd seat.
Would laugh my head of when he ends up in Mercedes or in a Red Bull. He deserves it.
I'd be suprised if he ends up in either. Both those teams already have their no 1 drivers and I suspect they won't wish to upset the apple cart. Red Bull have already said there's no opportunity there for him.
I hope he stays in F1 but have no wish to see him fadr into obscurity in a midfield team.... he deserves better than that.
Silently, like a shadow
Damiler cap will have the say totto wolf will be side lined on this vettal to mercedes issue 30 % of totto interest in mercedes is a long way short of the remaining 70%.The wolf has a strained relationship with the Daimler chief Hansen his investment in Aston Martin interesting times ahead always expect the unexpected.
Sooner or later means when you start again a new post on say good bye to Leclerc ??? Just like Alonso & vettel.
Stop it & just move on.
Wow Ross/Mark Hughes etc..... just check you references clearly what they said, ferrari lost its path in mid season.
Backtracking Alonso . I said he’s my Favourite, what is it to do with you?? Nothing right.
One more thing I see coming from you in 2021 or 2022 is remove Carlos or Charles they are not performing or making mistakes as the car is tittle winner but they are not delivering. I would expect this from you sooner or later.
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I will go on record and say that I think Merc will sign Seb for 2021. I give that 80%. The other 20% will either be Red Bull or retirement. This is basicly a similar situation to Michael and Nico. The biggest difference between Ferrari and german teams is that the germans actually really want their natives in their cars. At Ferrari having italian drivers have often gone south so to speak.
Vettel will not go to Mercedes. Mercedes will not "upset" the order of their dirvers.
Vettel will not go to RedBull. RedBull's drivers are already signed on for several years.
Seb should just retire and join his family.
Thank-you Seb for all that you've done at Ferrari.
It's not how start but how you finish.
Seb already knows what he is doing.He always holds his cards tightly, he does not go on social media and outside of f1 he is a mystery.when he and Ferrari parted ways his new shoes are waiting rest assured he has no comment to make and is laying low.All the reports all the stories all of the scenarios are coming from every media source except from him.Silence is golden.My 10 cents worth he will go to mercedes for 1 year to see how it goes in general and weather mercedes have handled that time well.Bottas will go to Williams.
All I see bunch of smileys, bunch of words, few question marks, one misspelled word but zero examples of "team mistakes". You know what they say, it you can't put up then shut up. It was just a poor attempt from your part to blame Ferrari for Vettel's shortcomings as a racing driver. Maybe next time, instead of blaming the car, the team, strategies, aero, tyres, suspensions etc etc accept this one simple fact: Vettel has failed as a Ferrari driver. Ferrari gave him everything. Great cars, an ideal teammate, the right environment, huge paychecks. But it was his own damn faults, his own stupid mistakes and poor racecraft that made him a failure.
And I see projections as well. Who knows what 2021 would bring? I know you guys are angry with Ferrari, but come one, you can't expect Ferrari to keep Vettel forever. He's free to drive elsewhere, if any other team wish to have him that is. But wishing ill will on Charles/Sainz the next generation of Ferrari F1 drivers, how pathetic.
Bottas has 7 wins, 11 poles with Merc. And he did that with a tough to beat team mate. He ain't going anywhere.
Vettal has this year with Ferrari he has not left yet any thing can happen he will throw everything at this championship rest assured he is not the type to sulk and lay down like a dog.Ferrari will go to the first race with a totally better package foolish to rule seb out.
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