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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    The Mission Winnow logo was taken off the car for filming day.
    It looks way better without that hideous logo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PURE PASSION View Post
    No, it's a closed shakedown / filming session. Only Ferrari photographers are allowed...
    Thx... atleast we get to see our car today

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    Quote Originally Posted by 19000rpmF-2004 View Post
    Excellent details thanks.
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    Charles Leclerc: 'More flexible’ Ferrari should be “step forward”

    Charles Leclerc believes added “flexibility” in Ferrari’s 2020 Formula 1 car will help the team improve its performances at tracks it struggled at last season.

    Ferrari’s SF90 concept was fast but proved inconsistent as the Italian squad failed to get on top of its complex design until after the summer break when it claimed three victories and six pole positions in a row, before fading again in the latter rounds.

    While Ferrari’s 2019 car’s strengths came on the straights and high-speed sections, it struggled to match its rivals Mercedes and Red Bull in slower corners, highlighted by its struggles at tracks like Monaco and Hungary.

    But Leclerc is confident that Ferrari’s latest challenger, the SF1000, will have a wider set-up range that should benefit it at different circuit types this year.

    “There’s quite a lot of work behind the scenes,” Leclerc said.

    “Last year there were noting all my comments so they obviously know me a lot better as a driver and what I need to perform at my best on track.

    “They tried to have the flexibility in the car set-up to fit my driving style, which will be the biggest difference for this year. This should be a step forward.

    "For sure we’ve got more flexibility in the car setup for this year, so this is always a good thing for both drivers because we adapt the details more in the car to our driving,” he added.

    “We didn’t push the car yet but we know we have more flexibility, this is fact.”

    Asked if this approach was to help deal with Leclerc and Vettel’s contrasting driving styles, Leclerc replied: “Yes and no.

    “I don’t think this was the main reason to do that, the main reason to do that is that we’ve seen last year in some races we’ve been very strong, in some others we’ve been struggling quite a bit more.

    “And being able to adapt the car to different tracks, we need more flexibility in terms of set-up.

    “For sure it will help us but it’s not like we are going from one extreme to another on both of our driving styles. It will just help us on the tracks we’ve been struggling at last year.”

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    What a guy! He really makes sense all all the main subjects at hand as far as team and driver concerns. Give him the car and he will get it done. Lewis will have to move over for sure!!

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    Soooo, after Barcelona testing...............it looks to be a long season



    Ferrari had to retool the engine


    The FIA ​​has sent a six-line email with explosive content. It says that after the investigation of the 2019 Ferrari engine, an agreement was reached with Scuderia, but it was agreed not to disclose. What is behind it?


    The bomb hit ten minutes before the end of the test drives in Barcelona. The FIA ​​press release was only six lines long. Apparently it said nothing and yet everything. Between the lines. Here is the exact wording:

    “The FIA ​​announces that after a thorough technical review, it has completed its analysis of the operation of the Ferrari drive unit and has reached an agreement with the team. The parties have agreed not to disclose details of this agreement. "

    “The FIA ​​and Ferrari have also agreed on a number of technical obligations that will improve the monitoring of all drive units in Formula 1. Ferrari has also agreed to support the FIA ​​in its regulatory duties and research into sustainable fuels to reduce CO2 emissions. ”


    The time of publication shortly before the test drives closed said a lot. He was deliberately chosen so late. This ensured that the parties and third parties concerned could no longer be interviewed in the paddock. The Formula 1 community will not meet in Melbourne for two weeks at the other end of the world. If any. Until then, the Corona virus will make the headlines and the matter between FIA and Ferrari will take a back seat.

    The real story would probably not be a glory sheet for Formula 1. Therefore we will never know their details. So why did the FIA ​​comment on the case again? Probably under pressure from the competition. Mercedes and Red Bull knew that the world association Ferrari had the engine on its line. You could no longer sweep that under the carpet.


    Litigation would be too risky

    You can interpret a lot in the first sentence of the statement. To put it politely, the FIA ​​inspectors have clearly found irregularities in the operation of the 2019 Ferrari engine. Sharper tongues would speak of fraud.

    It is another matter whether the FIA ​​is able to prove this in detail in a legally reliable manner. Ferrari would certainly have appealed against a drastic punishment. A legal dispute would definitely have washed a lot of dirty laundry and might not have brought the desired result.


    So it was easier to reach an agreement by hand, which could be as follows: You went too far with the engine. From now on, this will no longer be tolerated. You also pay a penalty for it. Of course not directly, because that would have been too obvious. Ferrari is funding the FIA's research into CO2-neutral fuels. This can quickly add up to a double-digit million sum.

    Ferrari has been officially suspected of tricking the engine since the USA GP. The FIA ​​sent out several technical directives in quick succession to prevent what Ferrari's competitors accused it of doing. Inject more fuel than allowed by manipulating the measurement signal for flow rate measurement. New regulations for oil consumption. Tighter checks on the elasticity of the gasoline lines. Introduction of a second sensor to which the teams have no access.

    When Charles Leclerc's Ferrari suddenly had a discrepancy between the petrol specified in the data sheet and the fuel in the tank at the season finale in Abu Dhabi before the start of the race, the measure was obviously full.


    New engine with less power

    Rumor has it that the FIA ​​inspectors then confiscated an entire Ferrari engine to test everything over the winter. And it should have been discovered how Ferrari has increased the performance of the engine in certain phases. Apparently using methods that are not quite in line with the rules.

    The FIA ​​was thus under pressure. She could no longer keep the case silent. She apparently did not want to step him out in detail in public because that would probably have done more harm to the sport than it would have benefited. The suspicions were apparently so serious that Ferrari had to agree to the sanctions. Of course, they are much too mild for the opponents.

    But Ferrari may pay the colliery on the racetrack this year. A completely new engine had to be built in Maranello over the winter. Even the turbocharger and the energy recovery system were affected. According to measurements, this new engine has significantly less power than the old one and is one of the reasons for the disappointing top speed on the straights.

    Ferrari bases the PS diet on the concern for reliability. One could react with the second specification at the earliest. It usually comes after the seventh race. Since the World Cup for the Italians can be long lost.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Soooo, after Barcelona testing...............it looks to be a long season



    Ferrari had to retool the engine


    The FIA ​​has sent a six-line email with explosive content. It says that after the investigation of the 2019 Ferrari engine, an agreement was reached with Scuderia, but it was agreed not to disclose. What is behind it?


    The bomb hit ten minutes before the end of the test drives in Barcelona. The FIA ​​press release was only six lines long. Apparently it said nothing and yet everything. Between the lines. Here is the exact wording:

    “The FIA ​​announces that after a thorough technical review, it has completed its analysis of the operation of the Ferrari drive unit and has reached an agreement with the team. The parties have agreed not to disclose details of this agreement. "

    “The FIA ​​and Ferrari have also agreed on a number of technical obligations that will improve the monitoring of all drive units in Formula 1. Ferrari has also agreed to support the FIA ​​in its regulatory duties and research into sustainable fuels to reduce CO2 emissions. ”


    The time of publication shortly before the test drives closed said a lot. He was deliberately chosen so late. This ensured that the parties and third parties concerned could no longer be interviewed in the paddock. The Formula 1 community will not meet in Melbourne for two weeks at the other end of the world. If any. Until then, the Corona virus will make the headlines and the matter between FIA and Ferrari will take a back seat.

    The real story would probably not be a glory sheet for Formula 1. Therefore we will never know their details. So why did the FIA ​​comment on the case again? Probably under pressure from the competition. Mercedes and Red Bull knew that the world association Ferrari had the engine on its line. You could no longer sweep that under the carpet.


    Litigation would be too risky

    You can interpret a lot in the first sentence of the statement. To put it politely, the FIA ​​inspectors have clearly found irregularities in the operation of the 2019 Ferrari engine. Sharper tongues would speak of fraud.

    It is another matter whether the FIA ​​is able to prove this in detail in a legally reliable manner. Ferrari would certainly have appealed against a drastic punishment. A legal dispute would definitely have washed a lot of dirty laundry and might not have brought the desired result.


    So it was easier to reach an agreement by hand, which could be as follows: You went too far with the engine. From now on, this will no longer be tolerated. You also pay a penalty for it. Of course not directly, because that would have been too obvious. Ferrari is funding the FIA's research into CO2-neutral fuels. This can quickly add up to a double-digit million sum.

    Ferrari has been officially suspected of tricking the engine since the USA GP. The FIA ​​sent out several technical directives in quick succession to prevent what Ferrari's competitors accused it of doing. Inject more fuel than allowed by manipulating the measurement signal for flow rate measurement. New regulations for oil consumption. Tighter checks on the elasticity of the gasoline lines. Introduction of a second sensor to which the teams have no access.

    When Charles Leclerc's Ferrari suddenly had a discrepancy between the petrol specified in the data sheet and the fuel in the tank at the season finale in Abu Dhabi before the start of the race, the measure was obviously full.


    New engine with less power

    Rumor has it that the FIA ​​inspectors then confiscated an entire Ferrari engine to test everything over the winter. And it should have been discovered how Ferrari has increased the performance of the engine in certain phases. Apparently using methods that are not quite in line with the rules.

    The FIA ​​was thus under pressure. She could no longer keep the case silent. She apparently did not want to step him out in detail in public because that would probably have done more harm to the sport than it would have benefited. The suspicions were apparently so serious that Ferrari had to agree to the sanctions. Of course, they are much too mild for the opponents.

    But Ferrari may pay the colliery on the racetrack this year. A completely new engine had to be built in Maranello over the winter. Even the turbocharger and the energy recovery system were affected. According to measurements, this new engine has significantly less power than the old one and is one of the reasons for the disappointing top speed on the straights.

    Ferrari bases the PS diet on the concern for reliability. One could react with the second specification at the earliest. It usually comes after the seventh race. Since the World Cup for the Italians can be long lost.


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    WOW....that is some pretty horrible news for US and for Ferrari going into the 2020 campain....oh well, it was good while it lasted
    i wonder what the power deficit in comparison to Merc and Honda we'll have this year.....no wonder "copying point" will prolly show better pace then us.....

    i was SOOOOO looking to 2020, but now that we're having a weaker engine.....wow, don't even want to think about

    Ferrari better hurry up and make up for the lost ground, because in 2-3 years i heard that the FIA will want to freeze the engines.....and if we have way less power then merc or honda.....the years after the FREEZE are gonna be a lot more painful for Ferrari.

    i just don't understand that if Ferrari say exploited the loopholes in the PU dept, why did they not introduce the extra power gradually.....no one wold have caught onto it.....but when you gain almost ONE SECOND or more on the straights, OR last year or eve in 2018 when Merc used the GPS tracing saw that we were gaining so much on them on the straithts in SPA....etc...it's a no brainer that Ferrari sooner or later would get caught


    like i said....IT WAS GOOD WHILE IT LASTED
    I'm hoping that the SF1000 proves to be a championship winning car, maybe even a BEAST!!!

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    The only thing we really know for sure after this news - Sky coverage is going to be INSUFFERABLE. I’m like thiiiiiiiiiis close to just... giving up on F1.

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    I thought we were building a new engine anyway??? Isnt that what you do when you build a new car for the next season???
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPBD View Post
    The only thing we really know for sure after this news - Sky coverage is going to be INSUFFERABLE. I’m like thiiiiiiiiiis close to just... giving up on F1.
    Well at least you can say you're watching history in the making... Hamilton will probably win 10 titles when all of this is said and done. That will simply be dominant!
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    It looks funny/ strange how different are posts/statements from some sources,from 1day to another. The way I see it ,is that all these "experts " even if they are ex drivers/ mechanics, that don't have a clue about what is actually going on. They just take rumours/ personal opinions and make them news. They are talking about something like they now it,they have legitimate sources about it and the next day that come out saying the complete opposite!!!!
    To me they dont differ from us simple fans just making a conversation and everybody say what comes to his head!!!!
    So I will just observe from distance until things start to settle one way or another!!!!

    P.S all these about our motor, looks so strange. I mean a motor is something you can easily see if it's good or not in a test bench. It's not like aerodynamics that you actually have to test the car on track to see if its really good!!!
    Dor the motor the only thing you dont now is the cooling!!!
    So to end up in the last days of the test and "admitting " that our motor is not good,well at list it looks strange!!!!
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    WOW!!!!!! this is getting crazy here! Please guys we just need to stop with this negative talk. We need to wait till OZ and see. The question here is are they setting up the track i haven't seen any pics and usually their's some one taking some by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sxviper698 View Post
    .... The question here is are they setting up the track i haven't seen any pics and usually their's some one taking some by now.
    Yes, about a month ago that the Aussie's have been setting up the track.
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    Thank you. If they were going to cancel it due to the virus they would have by now right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sxviper698 View Post
    Thank you. If they were going to cancel it due to the virus they would have by now right?
    Yw.....Yes, they would have cancelled a long time ago.

    MotoGP has just been cancelled in Qatar today.
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    Guys, engine news is new for us, but not for Ferrari So stay calm until the start of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferras View Post
    Guys, engine news is new for us, but not for Ferrari So stay calm until the start of the season.
    i am calm, who says i'm NOT.....we'll grab pole with one of our drivers in OZ....you watch, and remember i told you's so....
    I'm hoping that the SF1000 proves to be a championship winning car, maybe even a BEAST!!!

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    F1 | Microsectors: data analysis and test answers

    The exclusive analysis of the micro-sectors, together with cornering speeds and race pace times, allows to draw some more conclusions from the winter tests, this year even more cryptic than usual.



    After the two weeks of pre-season testing in Barcelona, uncertainty continues to reign supreme, especially among the top teams. Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull, in fact, have followed very different programs, encountering different types of problems each time.

    On the reliability Ferrari seems the best, ahead of Red Bull and Mercedes.
    For the reigning World Champion team, the headache over reliability has become apparent, and it's certainly not going to make Allison, Wolff and their teammates sleep soundly. The Stuttgart team even had to cancel the race simulation on the last day to avoid further serious problems with the new engine. More than a wake-up call, it is a real siren that has sounded at Brackley and it would not be surprising if we saw a Mercedes that does not give all the horses it has available in the first 3 races of the season. Also on the Red Bull - Honda front there has been more than one problem on the latest version of the engine, with Albon and Verstappen skipping almost entirely some sessions while the mechanics were carrying out repairs or changes of Power Unit. It's no coincidence that just at the end of the test Verstappen went for the best time ever of the week pushing especially in the first sector of the track: the impression is that, after a long series of adjustments, Honda decided to raise a little bit the horsepower in acceleration to prove that everything was okay. It is no coincidence that Red Bull's highest speeds were made on the first and last day (324 and 318 km/h).

    At Ferrari, reliability doesn't seem particularly worrying. The only problem that stopped Sebastian Vettel on track turned out to be a minimal defect, already corrected, with the red car that made 844 laps without any particular apprehension, second only to Mercedes in laps run.

    Performance: the puzzle and the envelope of the minima
    Analyzing performance remains the most complex thing during these test sessions. Teams often hide and try only specific corners or specific set-ups, testing the limit only for short stretches and raising the foot partially for the rest of the lap. All this often camouflaging performance even playing with engine power or tyre compounds. To try to have an answer (albeit obviously preliminary) on the potential that the cars have expressed on the track a solution is to recover the best performance that has expressed the car in each section of the track, so as to intercept all the stretches of the lap where the drivers have really pushed, and put together all these stretches as a puzzle that once completed provides the best potential lap for the car. If the sections of the track are too long for this type of analysis to be realistic, the micro-sectors into which the track is divided are more indicative and, thanks to a long and complex reconstruction work, we are able to provide an exclusive analysis of the micro-sectors that also includes the so-called "minimum envelope", i.e. the collection for each team of the best micro-sectors recorded during the tests.

    This allows us to go and create a "potential tour" for each of the three top teams and make direct comparisons stretch by stretch. It goes without saying, however, that even the result of this complicated analysis may not be fully representative, as the performance in a particular curve may have been achieved during a run with a specific setup for that stretch. However, this methodology remains the most accurate analysis we can make on the absolute performance of the cars. Moreover, by cross-referencing this analysis with the result of the other "big data" analysis carried out, i.e. the one that provided the best speeds for each curve, we can try to draw the first conclusions, although, as said, absolutely preliminary.

    First sector: only Red Bull at the end raised the engine power
    Adding up the times of the first micro-sectors there is a first sector to the advantage of Red Bull with Ferrari and Mercedes practically on a par. It's easy to guess that in this first part of the track, where engine power counts above all, both Maranello and Brackley simply played hide and seek. The top speeds over the days in the qualifying simulations have always been very similar to each other, even if Mercedes has expressed several times a performance close to or over 320 km/h on the straight, while Ferrari only on some sporadic occasions.

    Red Bull, who had never made even one lap below 1:17,000 before the afternoon of the last day of testing, instead lowered his times just at the end of the week, raising the horses and going to record all his best micro-sectors of the week of that stretch.
    It should also be remembered, when you read the result of the speed trap shown by the over impressions, that on tracks like Barcelona the wake has an important effect and can distort the ranking of the highest speeds. Just think that Leclerc, in the wake of Alfa Romeo in race pace simulation, has snatched 340 km/h top speed. Obviously, the findings were all "purged" of these peculiar situations.

    Second sector: Ferrari very well first and very badly afterwards
    The second sector starts with the very long curve 4, an important curve for the characteristics of the car being very long and with a medium radius, where therefore it is necessary to have a lot of speed on the road for a long time. And here Ferrari went very well, recording a minimum speed on the rivals' level and overall the best micro-sector for that stretch. The problem, however, comes immediately afterwards. It seems, in fact, that the SF1000 has a problem compared to its rivals in very slow and very tight corners. At turn 5, which is almost a hairpin bend, the red cars are recording minimum speeds far from their direct competitors, and the gap from Mercedes starts to widen.

    The same thing happens shortly after, at turn 7, and it is probably no coincidence that the two curves both have a minimum radius of about 30 meters.

    The next acceleration phase sees Mercedes again excelling and, above all, the Ferrari much slower. It's likely that the power of Maranello's Power Unit 065 never really went up, at least not as much as its rivals. On the contrary, turn 9, which is in full throttle, has seen the red car prevail, and it is something to be found that, in the classification of cornering speeds, at 9 Leclerc and Vettel are first and second. The impression is that the car has the aerodynamic load that allows it to literally throw itself into the curve without too much fear: analysing the data lap after lap we have been able to ascertain how the best performance in that stretch is not a sporadic episode but has been repeated over and over again by the two Ferrari drivers, who therefore had great confidence.


    Third sector: Mercedes strong, but Ferrari defends itself well. Red Bull struggles
    The third sector starts with the very narrow curve 10. Once again, in the strait, Ferrari is struggling considerably. Leclerc and Vettel are among the last in the classification of cornering speeds, demonstrating what appears to be a mechanical difficulty in tuning the car. Also this difficulty was not sporadic, but a fairly constant situation during the two weeks of testing. Then begins what was a disastrous sector last year for the SF90, starting from curve 12, extremely technical, where Mercedes continues to excel but Ferrari this year seems to defend itself well. Who struggles the most in this last stretch of track is Red Bull, who, in fact, in the potential lap pays 3 tenths from Mercedes and 2 from Ferrari.


    Four tenths to recover for the SF1000, 1 on Red Bull
    Summing up the times obtained we get the potential lap that sees Mercedes at 1:13.8, a number that seems likely being about 1.5 seconds faster than the pole of last season and therefore in line with the increase in performance of the cars. Second the Red Bull at 371 thousandths that pays with respect to the silver arrows more or less in equal measure in the second and third sector of the track and is saved thanks to a first sector with higher power. Third the Ferrari at 472 thousandths. So it seems that the red car has to recover from Mercedes about 4 tenths and a half on the mixed track of Barcelona. Detachment that could be much less on favorable tracks. To say that these 4 tenths and a half accumulate almost all in the three very narrow and very slow corners of the track, indicating not so much a lack of load, but a mechanical setup much to improve. This can be good news for the fans of the pony can be good news because historically on the tuning of the mechanical part the technicians of Maranello have always been extremely capable and could fill (or at least significantly reduce) this gap from the reigning champions. The other good news analyzing the dry lap is that the SF1000 seems to have load and grip in fast corners which are usually a good indicator of the nature of the project. Mercedes as always appears to be a car capable of expressing performance in all types of corners, while Red Bull seems to be in trouble in the medium slower sections, in contrast to last season's trend.

    All this net of the top speeds (and therefore the results of the combination of power and resistance) that we will only see when it will really push with the Power Units.

    Race pace: Mercedes always in front, but Ferrari close by. Red Bull with degradation

    Finally, analyzing the best stints of race pace simulation, all with C2 compound, which seem to simulate the three stages of the Grand Prix, we notice a characteristic for each team. As for Mercedes, you can see how also the W11 seems fast and constant even on the race pace front. For the SF1000 you can see what seems to be a remarkable improvement on the rubber management front, with a lot of attack laps in the final part of the stint and no evident cliff when the tank is full. The drop in tyre performance (the so-called "cliff") has been a constant in virtually all races in 2019, and has always happened after fewer laps on the tyres than the rivals. The music in this respect seems to have changed towards the positive.

    Who, on the other hand, has had a constantly growing time trend along the stints was Red Bull. Adding up the dry lap performance and what we saw in the long runs, it seems almost as if Adrian Newey sacrificed a fraction of the aerodynamic load in search of a better peak performance.

    So, the season looks set to be a Mercedes as the reference, but with the two pursuers who seem to have at least the potential to give battle in a concrete way. If then the single-seaters of Hamilton and Bottas had some serious reliability problems, they could not capitalize on the performance advantage they seem to have at the moment and the long championship that is about to start could become even more interesting.
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    this is such a ridiculous waste of someone's time. Its all assumptions, thats all.
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    Interesting analysis. I think most have put Ferrari at 4-6 tenths behind Mercedes, the X factor being if they sandbagged on the engine side or not. The race pace's currently suggest Ferrari will be 20-30 seconds behind Mercedes at the end of the race. These days people think 4 tenths isn't a big gap, when 10 years ago it'd be considered a monstrous gap (because it is).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    Interesting analysis. I think most have put Ferrari at 4-6 tenths behind Mercedes, the X factor being if they sandbagged on the engine side or not. The race pace's currently suggest Ferrari will be 20-30 seconds behind Mercedes at the end of the race. These days people think 4 tenths isn't a big gap, when 10 years ago it'd be considered a monstrous gap (because it is).
    Even when you loose race by 0.001 and come 2nd it is still big gap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    Interesting analysis. I think most have put Ferrari at 4-6 tenths behind Mercedes, the X factor being if they sandbagged on the engine side or not. The race pace's currently suggest Ferrari will be 20-30 seconds behind Mercedes at the end of the race. These days people think 4 tenths isn't a big gap, when 10 years ago it'd be considered a monstrous gap (because it is).
    Quote Originally Posted by stefa View Post
    Even when you loose race by 0.001 and come 2nd it is still big gap!
    Ferrari admits it could switch focus to developing its 2021 F1 car early if it fails to close the gap to the front in the opening races of the season.

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    So with mercs way in front and Ferrari and RB behind, might as well hand the title to Lewis now, no point waiting till the end of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrarichamp View Post
    So with mercs way in front and Ferrari and RB behind, might as well hand the title to Lewis now, no point waiting till the end of the season.
    Bottas might put up a fight

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    Oh, so... Hopefully I'll eat my words at the end of the season, but... "Congratulations" to Hamilton for equaling Michaels 7 championships. "Thanks" to Ferrari, any other full factory team for failing to beat it's main competitor at least once and therefore allowing this to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefa View Post
    Even when you loose race by 0.001 and come 2nd it is still big gap!
    True enough, though a car that's within a tenth at least has a chance of beating them. 4-6 tenths is pretty much no chance. The worst part is if Merc is actually that much faster than everyone, it's an easy championship for Hamilton and yet we gotta hear how he's so great, the best driver ever, etc etc. 3 of the last 7 season's (inc. 2020) he only had to beat his teammate (Rosberg), and last 4 years Bottas would never be allowed to actually challenge Lewis.

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    Surely Ferrari are not just turning up for the prize money this year.This would not represent the prancing horse, but with all the inuendo and negativity swirling around Ferrari and put on top of that some home truths allegedly from binotto one has the right to wonder could this really be the case.The season has not even started and the controversy pilling up on Ferrari is massive.Could it be that the problems are just to large to deal with and Ferrari are only to happy to close the door on this era of f1 and to start fresh in2020.All those fighting words from the ceo all of the expenditure all of binotto principles and positivity seem to have just dissapeared.The big question is who really deflated Ferrari and why.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    Interesting analysis. I think most have put Ferrari at 4-6 tenths behind Mercedes, the X factor being if they sandbagged on the engine side or not. The race pace's currently suggest Ferrari will be 20-30 seconds behind Mercedes at the end of the race. These days people think 4 tenths isn't a big gap, when 10 years ago it'd be considered a monstrous gap (because it is).
    One thing to note here, Mercedes did their race sim at the first test, when the track condition was faster. On test-2, Bottas couldn't match his test-1 1m15.7 and Verstappen couldn't get close to the test-1 Mercedes time.
    Also when Leclerc did his race sim on C2 tyres, the track condition wasn't ideal for the C2's as mentioned by Ted. It got more windy and colder, although on late afternoon the track condition improved but Leclerc had already finished his race sim a hour or so ago.

    The main point from this article is Ferrari's time in sector 3, most power-insensitive part of the circuit. Of course, right now everything is speculation, but the author had gone through a lot of data and I don't think his finding's are that off-mark, regarding Ferrari's sector 3 improvement. Also F1.com has put SF1000 as the best car in slow-speed corners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondilad View Post
    Bottas might put up a fight
    Merc is just copying the great Ferrari wins ,"Rubens might put up a fight ! " Move over, let Michael pass !! It worked for Ferrari . That's how a team, driver wins WDC, WCC , why should Merc do it any different than Ferrari when they were on top ? 7 WDCs 91 wins didn't then and won't now come without a little help from your team mate. I can't wait for the time to pass and Charles will be in that GOAT spot !! And hopefully still with Ferrari.

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